Why are people so skeptical of UFO's?

I don't have any of course. And I am not saying they definitely did help them. I was just curious to know why you have no reason to believe they didn't. I don't believe it either, but i don't rule it out also. Who knows maybe it was som kind of ancient Human technology, a remnant from the Atlanteans.
 
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Anyone familiar with this?

Dogon and Sirius

The Dogon talk about Nommo - amphibian deities that arrived from the sky in their fantastic sky ship. They preached to the people who assembled in large numbers around the lake that was created around the ship.[14]

Certain researchers investigating the Dogon have reported that they seem to possess advanced astronomical knowledge, the nature and source of which have subsequently become embroiled in controversy.

From 1931 to 1956 the French anthropologist Marcel Griaule studied the Dogon. This included field missions ranging from several days to two months in 1931, 1935, 1937 and 1938[15] and then annually from 1946 until 1956.[16] In late 1946 Griaule spent a consecutive thirty-three days in conversations with the Dogon wiseman Ogotemmêli, the source of much of Griaule and Dieterlen's future publications.[17]

They reported that the Dogon believe that the brightest star in the sky, Sirius (sigi tolo or 'star of the Sigui'[18]), has two companion stars, pō tolo (the Digitaria star), and ęmmę ya tolo, (the female Sorghum star), respectively the first and second companions of Sirius A.[19] Sirius, in the Dogon system, formed one of the foci for the orbit of a tiny star, the companionate Digitaria star. When Digitaria is closest to Sirius, that star brightens: when it is farthest from Sirius, it gives off a twinkling effect that suggests to the observer several stars. The orbit cycle takes 50 years.[20] They also claimed that the Dogon appeared to know of the rings of Saturn, and the moons of Jupiter.[21]
Griaule and Dieterlen were puzzled by this Sudanese star system, and prefaced their analysis with the following remark


The problem of knowing how, with no instruments at their disposal, men could know the movements and certain characteristics of virtually invisible stars has not been settled, nor even posed.[22]


In his book Sirius Matters, Noah Brosch postulates that the Dogon may have had contact with astronomers based in Dogon territory during a five week expedition, led by Henri-Alexandre Deslandres, to study the solar eclipse of April 16, 1893.[29] Robert Todd Carroll also states that a more likely source of the knowledge of the Sirius star system is from contemporary, terrestrial sources who provided information to interested members of the tribes.

James Oberg however, citing these suspicions notes their completely speculative nature, writing that: "The obviously advanced astronomical knowledge must have come from somewhere, but is it an ancient bequest or a modern graft? Although Temple fails to prove its antiquity, the evidence for the recent acquisition of the information is still entirely circumstantial.".[31] Additionally, James Clifford notes that Griaule sought informants best qualified to speak of traditional lore, and deeply mistrusted converts to Christianity, Islam, or people with too much contact with whites.[32] Oberg points out a number of errors contained in the Dogon beliefs, including the number of moons possessed by Jupiter, that Saturn was the furthest planet from the sun, and the only planet with rings. Intrigue of other seemingly falsifiable claims, namely concerning a red dwarf star orbiting around Sirius (not hypothesized until the 1950s) led him to entertain a previous challenge of Temple's:

"Temple offered another line of reasoning. "We have in the Dogon information a predictive mechanism which it is our duty to test, regardless of our preconceptions." One example: "If a Sirius-C is ever discovered and found to be a red dwarf, I will conclude that the Dogon information has been fully validated." (OK, I'll bite—but if such a star is not discovered, Temple has risked no converse conclusions.)"

This alludes to reports that the Dogon knew of another star in the Sirius system, Emme Ya, or a star "larger than Sirius B but lighter and dim in magnitude." In 1995, gravitational studies indeed showed the possible presence of a brown dwarf star orbiting around Sirius (a Sirius-C) with a six-year orbital period.[33] A more recent study using advanced infrared imaging concluded that the probability of the existence of a triple star system for Sirius is "now low" but could not be ruled out because the region within 5 AU of Sirius A had not been covered.[34]
 
I don't have any of course. And I am not saying they definitely did help them. I was just curious to know why you have no reason to believe they didn't. I don't believe it either, but i don't rule it out also. Who knows maybe it was som kind of ancient Human technology, a remnant from the Atlanteans.

I'm generally skeptical of claims without any evidence. I mean, the whole ancient aliens thing seems to me putting the cart in front of the horse.

The show is the worst kind of pseudo-history I've seen.
 
I'm generally skeptical of claims without any evidence. I mean, the whole ancient aliens thing seems to me putting the cart in front of the horse.

The show is the worst kind of pseudo-history I've seen.

You don't believe that ancient aliens have visited us or that they exist in general?
I agree about that show. Sometimes it over dramatizes the episodes so much that all the story it tells seems a bit fake in the end.
 
I believe that there is merit to the modern extraterrestrial hypothesis (i.e. UFO's).

But so far I have seen no compelling evidence (or really any evidence) for ancient aliens.

I've only watched a few episodes of the show, and it's mostly conjecture, wild speculation, outright falsehoods and the retelling of debunked myths.
 
I believe that there is merit to the modern extraterrestrial hypothesis (i.e. UFO's).

But so far I have seen no compelling evidence (or really any evidence) for ancient aliens.

I've only watched a few episodes of the show, and it's mostly conjecture, wild speculation, outright falsehoods and the retelling of debunked myths.

This is true. It's a show that just can't be taken seriously IMO. I do feel there's definitely a missing chapter in human history though. There's a gap, a jump if you will, that hasn't been explained yet. Is there an extraterrestrial link? I'm not sure? but its a theory that can't be totally discarded.
 
I dont know what to tell you. Pick up a dictionary and read all the definitions of the words.

Source- dictionary.com

Speculate:

2. To indulge in conjectural thought.

Do I need to add the definition of conjecture?

Assume:

1. To take for granted or without proof.

I don't know. I accept that I'm not the sharpest. But they seem SIMILAR.

You can twist this into a battle of the definitions but you loose.

I've stated my case. Both words are related in their lack of evidence/proof which is why I equated both words to...... Something like blowing air out your butt.
Dude, to "speculate" is to knowingly just throw ideas out there to get the thought process going. Conjecture is an inherent and understood part of that. Speculation isn't about making actual claims about truth or fact. Assumption is. That's a big difference. They're simply not the same thing. You're actively deflating your own argument.
 
In order to even entertain the idea of aliens for "speculation" you need to "assume" life is there to begin with. You have to take that fact for granted, forget about it, then proceed to speculate without proof. Notice what I did there?
Aha. I see what you mean now. They're not similar, they're related, and that's a way you can usefully assume.
 
Dude, to "speculate" is to knowingly just throw ideas out there to get the thought process going. Conjecture is an inherent and understood part of that. Speculation isn't about making actual claims about truth or fact. Assumption is. That's a big difference. They're simply not the same thing. You're actively deflating your own argument.

You are applying your personal feelings on these words. I am using a dictionary. Let me speak up.

FACT
NEITHER SPECULATION OR ASSUMPTION CAN BE PROVEN. ONCE A CLAIM CAN BE PROVEN THE CLAIM IS NO LONGER A SPECULATION OR ASSUMPTION

you seem really hard up to be right. Is it that bad to be wrong?

This time I mean it. Have a nice life.
 
an assumption though is the only thing that makes an ass out of u and me :D
 
I believe that there is merit to the modern extraterrestrial hypothesis (i.e. UFO's).

But so far I have seen no compelling evidence (or really any evidence) for ancient aliens.

I've only watched a few episodes of the show, and it's mostly conjecture, wild speculation, outright falsehoods and the retelling of debunked myths.

I watched the first episode of season of that show after reading this thread. During Giorgio Tsoukalos' explanation of the Ark of the Covenant (paraphrasing):

"So the ancient people unfamiliar with the Arc were smitten with radioactive material, explaining the reports of hair loss and nails falling off. So within the Ark lied the radioactive material that sustained the Israelites for 40 years in the desert. So the Ark of the Covenant housed an E.T device that produced the algae for the Hebrews in the desert."

I was dying after that... :hehe:
 
LOL ok not EVERYTHING they say on that show is 100% but they have some cool stuff on there. I don't have a shrine at home with the Ancient Alien Blu Rays as my bible :)
 
Given the sheer scale and size of the universe, it's hard to fathom that there's nobody else out there at all. If life can prosper on Earth, then there's every probability it can prosper elsewhere too.

Unfortunately though we live in an age where it's getting harder and harder to discern between 'true' UFO reports, and those from fraudsters and people wishing to cash in. Every time I begin to read something which sounds interesting, it inevitably ends up being an excerpt from an upcoming book or an upcoming conference, or something else which will profit someone.

Photo/video evidence is all well and good too, but despite the proliferation of decent cameras and phones with great recording capabilities in almost everyone's hands, there never seems to be very clear or up close footage of these UFOs. Footage is almost always blurred, obscured, shaky, etc. And if we did actually get an amazing photo, CGi has got so good that we'd then have to work out if the photo is actually real or not.

The only way we'll ever know the truth - one way or another - is either via full disclosure, or by a very widespread and global visit from aliens. Which may not necessarily be a good thing.
 
LOL ok not EVERYTHING they say on that show is 100% but they have some cool stuff on there. I don't have a shrine at home with the Ancient Alien Blu Rays as my bible :)

It is some entertaining television though. I've watched a couple other episodes in the past. I may actually watch the rest of season 1.

On a serious note, I do believe there was some other worldly influence on human genetics and evolution. Something must have compelled these early civilizations to build these megolithic structures. Maybe it was simply the night sky. Or shooting stars in the sky. Or bad weather/natural disasters. Or plague. But that stuff has been observed forever, before official civilization began. At that point in history, humanity overcame its basic survival neccessities, so we probably had a lot of time on our hands. Is that why people suddenly built gigantic temples and pyramids? There was probably some inspiration for it many years ago.
 
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Its strange though, in that show they bring up ancient civilizations as well, thousands of miles apart from one another with similar stone carvings of what looks like men in space suits, similar ruins. Its just unreal that these completely different civilizations soo far away from one another contact was impossible, could have soo many similarities in their technology/structures.
 
Maybe E.T was navigating our solar system thousands of years ago and thought it would be a good joke. "Let me **** around with this somewhat intelligent species. Tell them to create some megolithic works in honor of me, which will last them for generations to come." Once E.T left his mark he was on his way. Pretty logical explanation if you ask me. Maybe it is common practice in the galaxy as a way to kick start nacent civilizations.
 
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I still feel we are test rats for higher beings. They every few thousand years will come down and show us a little more, and a little more. If they showed us everything at once maybe we wouldn't appreciate it as much as a species. Its like giving a child a cookie, instead of showing him the cookie jar.
 
Its strange though, in that show they bring up ancient civilizations as well, thousands of miles apart from one another with similar stone carvings of what looks like men in space suits, similar ruins. Its just unreal that these completely different civilizations soo far away from one another contact was impossible, could have soo many similarities in their technology/structures.
Everytime I've been presented with these similarities, I don't think they go beyond vague generalities. I just don't see it. I think it's pattern recognition run amok.
 
You are applying your personal feelings on these words. I am using a dictionary. Let me speak up.

FACT
NEITHER SPECULATION OR ASSUMPTION CAN BE PROVEN. ONCE A CLAIM CAN BE PROVEN THE CLAIM IS NO LONGER A SPECULATION OR ASSUMPTION

you seem really hard up to be right. Is it that bad to be wrong?

This time I mean it. Have a nice life.
Right back at you. You're the one making this personal. And did you miss the post immediately after that first one where I conceded to your point of view? If you're not interested in having a conversation, and want to get blatantly condescending, then by all means, have a nice life. I'm not interested in the ugly place this is headed.
 
Im going to post this yet again

Citizen Hearing held at the White House April 29th-May 4th

http://www.citizenhearing.org/webcast_archive.html

To view the archive footage of all the hearings of each day is $3.80 Well worth it for all the information you get.

Top military officials/scientists disclose information regarding ET life/its contact with earth/and our efforts to reverse engineer their space travel technology....and much more.
 
Right back at you. You're the one making this personal. And did you miss the post immediately after that first one where I conceded to your point of view? If you're not interested in having a conversation, and want to get blatantly condescending, then by all means, have a nice life. I'm not interested in the ugly place this is headed.

I must have missed it. Didnt mean to come off as condescending.

I'll tell you what though next time I get the old "what do you do when you assume"?? I'm coming back with "I was speculating". Lol :woot:
 
I believe that there is merit to the modern extraterrestrial hypothesis (i.e. UFO's).

But so far I have seen no compelling evidence (or really any evidence) for ancient aliens.

I've only watched a few episodes of the show, and it's mostly conjecture, wild speculation, outright falsehoods and the retelling of debunked myths.

What do you make of the drawings clearly depicting a modern looking saucer/disk?
 

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