Why are people so skeptical of UFO's?

Im going to post this yet again

Citizen Hearing held at the White House April 29th-May 4th

http://www.citizenhearing.org/webcast_archive.html

To view the archive footage of all the hearings of each day is $3.80 Well worth it for all the information you get.

Top military officials/scientists disclose information regarding ET life/its contact with earth/and our efforts to reverse engineer their space travel technology....and much more.

What type of information are they disclosing? Something new or just documented sightings?

the reverse engineering to me implies they have something to reverse engineer. Or are they just discussing how they would do it if they had womething?
 
I think the ancient aliens theory is MORE likely than modern day Roswell stories. History of the universe in the past 200000 years would make it a lot more likely to visit us then than in the past 100, if our technological progress is ignored. The SHOW Ancient Aliens presents this theory is a easily digestible way, and over time they've taken the more stretching aspects of the theory and done it more often because they've run out of things to say for a while.

The show may be wrong about most major civilizations directly worshipping aliens as gods or the pyramids bing built with alien tech, but the overall point seems likely to me.
 
What type of information are they disclosing? Something new or just documented sightings?

the reverse engineering to me implies they have something to reverse engineer. Or are they just discussing how they would do it if they had womething?

First case when this many elected officials/government agents/scientists have come together to discuss the ongoing struggle with the world governments covering up known phenomenon regarding UFO/ETs/Tech
 
I'm not skeptical of UFOs. I'm skeptical of light-speed. Of course I believe extraterrestrial life exists. Considering there's billions of galaxies that each contain billions of stars it would almost be impossible for there not to be other life-forms out there. But consider how vast space is. If the nearest solar system is thousands of light years away, how could an alien reach our planet within his/her/it's lifetime? And even if they did reach us and they had the technological capacity that would come with light-speed travel, do you think they'd be content with anal-probing a few backwoods rednecks? No, they'd send a delegation or perhaps try and colonize us. That's why I doubt UFOs have ever visited us.

That is a faulty argument that far too many UFO believers rely on. It is like saying that because there are billions of rocks, one of them should have microscopic intelligent life on it. Quantity does not equate to certainty. You are applying mathematical certainty based simply on the number of planets, but you lack a key variable: Under what circumstances does intelligent life evolve? Until that question is answered, there is no way of knowing what the likelihood of intelligent life in the universe is. Intelligent life could be as common as the cold or Earth could be the one in one trillion chance event where everything came together perfectly for life to evolve in such a manner. Without knowing how evolution on the scale of Earth occurs there is no way to be certain or even saying which option is more likely than the other.

That being said, I am skeptical not of alien life (like I said, we just don't know), but rather of the idea of them coming here for a few reasons:

1) The stories are ridiculous - You mean to tell me that intelligent life looks almost exactly like us anatomically, only shorter with grey skin and big heads and their goal is little more than to anal probe humans? Come on.

2) The government isn't competent enough to cover something like this up. They can't cover up the president's blow job, yet I'm supposed to believe that the government has pulled off a conspiracy of this level?

3) If there are aliens that have mastered intergalactic travel, what are the odds of them finding us? Earth is a needle in a hay stack.
 
That is a faulty argument that far too many UFO believers rely on. It is like saying that because there are billions of rocks, one of them should have microscopic intelligent life on it. Quantity does not equate to certainty. You are applying mathematical certainty based simply on the number of planets, but you lack a key variable: Under what circumstances does intelligent life evolve? Until that question is answered, there is no way of knowing what the likelihood of intelligent life in the universe is. Intelligent life could be as common as the cold or Earth could be the one in one trillion chance event where everything came together perfectly for life to evolve in such a manner. Without knowing how evolution on the scale of Earth occurs there is no way to be certain or even saying which option is more likely than the other.

That being said, I am skeptical not of alien life (like I said, we just don't know), but rather of the idea of them coming here for a few reasons:

1) The stories are ridiculous - You mean to tell me that intelligent life looks almost exactly like us anatomically, only shorter with grey skin and big heads and their goal is little more than to anal probe humans? Come on.

2) The government isn't competent enough to cover something like this up. They can't cover up the president's blow job, yet I'm supposed to believe that the government has pulled off a conspiracy of this level?

3) If there are aliens that have mastered intergalactic travel, what are the odds of them finding us? Earth is a needle in a hay stack.

Awesome, first debate with an Admin

1) The stories may sound ridiculous to you but that's your views. You can't discredit someones belief because you think its stupid. Not ALL contact stories derive a human like figure with 2 arms/ 2 legs and a head, some have stated to of come in contact with insect like creatures that have no visible facial features, some with just mists or gaseous like entities sort of like a ghost.

"Anal probes" is just one example because of its humorous factor got swept up by the media and now every time there's a comedy outburst about aliens you hear "anal probe". You don't hear of the people who have been said to have been implanted with microscopic chips that vibrate on such a high frequency its nearly undetectable. That just doesn't have the media zing.

2) Pretty sure Republicans did everything in their power to find that out to try and get Clinton Impeached. The bitter rivalry between the two parties knows no bounds.

I think collectively, when you take petty political differences out of the equation that government, military, and secret operatives that surpass Congressional and White House levels that have been doing this for 60+ years do have the power/authority and knowledge to pull off such a cover up. I say 60+ years because I consider Roswell to be the first time our Government came into contact with Extra Terrestrial life.

3) I mentioned earlier that you can not count out the possibility of ET life finding earth simply on the basis of "well the universe/multi verse is just too darn big!" You are making that argument strictly on something you think is big. We cannot begin to comprehend the size/magnitude of a galaxy...of suns that are 1000 x's bigger than ours. Our brains just don't function that way. Whether it be that we are just still evolving as a species or what. Being able to even comprehend that a single grain of sand has more atoms than almost all the grains of sand in the world is simply mind boggling.

Beings that have been around for millions of years maybe don't see the galaxy/universe quite as large as we do. If they have been space traveling for a few thousand if not millions of years......it could potentially seem like your or I's commute to work.

Also regarding "quantity does not equate to certainty" I have to say it does equate to a higher probability.
 
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Anyone familiar with this?
Yes, i saw a spanish documentary about the Dogon people. That's another mistery: how those people in a tribe far away from civilization had knowledge of Sirius B also? It was very curious to me that the spanish writer responsible for making the documentary showed these people pictures of UFO's and the dogon elders told him he must be friends of the gods that have been in their area, because he has pictures of them. Overall, very interesting. If anyone speaks spanish, you can see it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgHgrkETMec . If you dont, too bad :oldrazz:, because it's very interesting.

Oh, and regarding the tv show Ancient Aliens, while i dont necessarily agree with their answers, i do find some of the questions they pose very interesting.
 
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What's the real mystery of that youtube video, is what the heck they are saying. :D

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Our solar system is situated toward the outer rim of the Milky Way. Which means we are in the new suburbs of the galaxy. Venture inward and the galaxy is far, far older and more densely packed. Now for arguments sake, lets surmise the earth isn't unique. In that given the right conditions, life will pretty much exist anywhere. And life's way, is to evolve and bio-diversify given the time. Think about it...
 
Dont tell me how to live my life! The only language I'll learn is the alien language of our invaders
 
1) The stories are ridiculous - You mean to tell me that intelligent life looks almost exactly like us anatomically, only shorter with grey skin and big heads and their goal is little more than to anal probe humans? Come on.

I'm curious, which accounts have you read about?

2) The government isn't competent enough to cover something like this up. They can't cover up the president's blow job, yet I'm supposed to believe that the government has pulled off a conspiracy of this level?

What level? All the government has to do is not reveal their findings. We actually know the name of a high-level military study that was never declassified (which outright said that flying saucers may be of extraterrestrial origin).

Besides, even when military figures do come forward, you just dismiss them, so really, at this point, barring a flying saucer landing on the White House lawn, you wouldn't believe it anyway.

3) If there are aliens that have mastered intergalactic travel, what are the odds of them finding us? Earth is a needle in a hay stack.

Who said anything about intergalactic travel? There could be habitable planets within a 100 lightyears of Earth (we've already detected some good candidates). How hard do you think it would be for them to do what we are doing now with starships (which we obviously don't have)? You could catalogue thousands of star systems in a matter of decades.

A better analogy would be the only needle in the haystack shouting in the dark.
 
A better analogy would be the only needle in the haystack shouting in the dark.
A hundred years of shouting is nothing though. That's a blip in relation to our own galaxy, let alone the rest of the universe. It's a drop in a vast, vast ocean.
 
A hundred years of shouting is nothing though. That's a blip in relation to our own galaxy, let alone the rest of the universe. It's a drop in a vast, vast ocean.

Again, these aliens (since we're entertaining the idea that they got here) aren't immobile. Even if the alien civilization is a thousand lightyears away, they could send out hundreds, or thousands (or even millions given enough time) probes or ships (manned or unmanned) that do nothing but travel from star system to star system listening (or looking). We used to dream about that kind of stuff during the Space Age.

Once you locate the most likely star systems to contain life (something we are doing now, and we haven't even set foot outside our own star system), the search becomes infinitely more easy.
 
Again, these aliens (since we're entertaining the idea that they got here) aren't immobile. Even if the alien civilization is a thousand lightyears away, they could send out hundreds, or thousands (or even millions given enough time) probes or ships (manned or unmanned) that do nothing but travel from star system to star system listening (or looking). We used to dream about that kind of stuff during the Space Age.

Once you locate the most likely star systems to contain life (something we are doing now, and we haven't even set foot outside our own star system), the search becomes infinitely more easy.
Infinitely? There's still billions of systems to comb thru. I just don't like how easy you make all this sound. I think it understates how ****ing vast just our Milky Way is. It is inconceivably gigantic.
 
We've already compiled quite a list of candidates, and we haven't even set foot on Mars. It's not that hard.

Once you master interstellar travel, the rest is fairly simple. Time consuming, but simple.

I read something interesting about how we might be able to detect alien civilizations by looking for artificial lighting. Fairly neat idea, but with a few problems (technological limitations, mostly). But with the advances in telescopes, that could one day be a useful trick to find relatively nearby alien civilizations.
 
Honestly, I don't understand why so much emphasis is placed on intelligent life. Yeah, that would be totally cool, but life at all is plenty in my book.
 
Do you guys think we'll ever discover evidence of alien life in our lifetimes.
 
Do you guys think we'll ever discover evidence of alien life in our lifetimes.

If those asteroid mining companies are created in our lifetime I think at some point we'll make contact. Whether it be accidentally or on purpose....

All in all....I just really hope so. And if we do...I hope its made public.
 
Dont tell me how to live my life! The only language I'll learn is the alien language of our invaders
I could be a silent invader watching you, guiding you... do as i tell you! :oldrazz:

Do you guys think we'll ever discover evidence of alien life in our lifetimes.
The real question is would they even tell us if they did. I dont think a lot of people would be ready for such a contact. Imagine the chaos and panic it would create in some to know for a fact we're not alone...
 
People who say the government is covering things up always seem to leave out one thing.

The U.S. government isn't the only government on the planet. Even if it was their policy to deny and cover up such events, they surely wouldn't be the only government on Earth with this knowledge. I highly doubt every other one would adopt the same policy, and be able to effectively cover it up.
 
"Skeptical" You keep using that word... I don't think it means what you think it means.
 
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