Why are so many people deadset against showing the origin?

[Frodo]

whats up with that whole name a song deal you guys been doing?

You have to go back through the thread .Lol.

What I like about you

Anyway , I think that there is a balance that could be struck in terms of moving the story forward while at the same time showing some aspects of the origin. For me the main thing is letting go of the Donner film and trying to present the story in a new way. I'd bring the Superman story down to it's bare essance and expand on idea's that haven't been dealt with before along with having the familar mythos.

 

[Webhead2006]

I agree there frodo we need to step away from what donner did, its a classic and it did define the character for that generation. But we should have more elements used from other takes of the character, while making the story new, refreshing and different.

 

[GreenKToo]

Living in America..

Its no doubt in my mind that they'll step away from the donnerverse. All you gotta do is listen to what they have said.
They know what they need to make and deliver, but will they though.

 

[Frodo]

I agree there frodo we need to step away from what donner did, its a classic and it did define the character for that generation. But we should have more elements used from other takes of the character, while making the story new, refreshing and different.

Absolutely.

 

[Webhead2006]

Hopefully they will see that would be the best for the character, take the best elements from every era, put in modern lex, etc..... and go from their.

 

[Ultraman Nexus]

My thought has always been to do the origin in tandem with the opening credits. Basically, we have the touching goodbye scene (one of my personal favorite aspects of any version of his origin), the rocket launches and Krypton blows up.

Roll the opening credits and theme as we watch the ship travel through space. End the credits with the rocket landing and the Kents finding him.

Then, cut to "Metropolis 25 years later." and put us right in the thick of Clark and Lois on assignment.

 

[Webhead2006]

That could work, or it could fail, hopefully what ever they do decide on when ever another film can happen will have elements we all want to see, and a good story, and all that. Which way is the best way to go with the origin i dont know. TIH opening credits, straight a-b-c story, or a more flashback style intermixing with present day things. Hopefully the writers can pick something that will work out the best.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I'm sooo ready for the WB to lose the rights to Superman. They have such big issues with handling the character, at this point they don't deserve him. Superman deserves better

 

[Fresh Prince]

I'm sooo ready for the WB to lose the rights to Superman. They have such big issues with handling the character, at this point they don't deserve him. Superman deserves better

Who should Superman go to then?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm sooo ready for the WB to lose the rights to Superman. They have such big issues with handling the character, at this point they don't deserve him. Superman deserves better

I am so sick of reading this ridiculous comment.

 

[Webhead2006]

well thats the thing though if wb did loose the rights fully to superman, what would the families have, and could it be remade and be as great as it has been for past 70 years.

 

[BestGirl]

Who should Superman go to then?

Given Superman's legal issues, it's hard to imagine any major studio doing anything differently than WB.

 

[Nightwing1977]

I'm against showing the origin, 'cause we already got that with the first Donner's film. While the film is campy & could've done better watching it now, but the origin was perfect that we don't need to see another one. Batman Begins didn't show Batman's origin because it was a reboot, it's because we never seen an origin done before in the film. Reboot doesn't always have to be an origin again. If the next Superman show an origin, just show few & brief flashbacks. We kinda got that with SR.

 

[Webhead2006]

well i said it before with a reboot being an all new story and all new direction. We should have origin told in some format, be it a-b-c, flashback, TIH opening credits-with flashbacks later in the film. So we can see why things will be different and not the same as donner's superman. Would you really want a film to just open in the middle of some action peice and never finding out how that villain came to be, or why this superman became superman?

 

[GreenKToo]

Why, give him to fox of course.

 

[Superfreak]

I'm against showing the origin, 'cause we already got that with the first Donner's film. While the film is campy & could've done better watching it now, but the origin was perfect that we don't need to see another one. Batman Begins didn't show Batman's origin because it was a reboot, it's because we never seen an origin done before in the film. Reboot doesn't always have to be an origin again. If the next Superman show an origin, just show few & brief flashbacks. We kinda got that with SR.

we didn't get ANY of that in SR.

 

[Superfreak]

I'm sooo ready for the WB to lose the rights to Superman. They have such big issues with handling the character, at this point they don't deserve him. Superman deserves better

well JC, it's either WB/DC, or it Disney/Marvel... both choices are terrible. Independently, it might work, but I highly doubt it.

 

[DavidTyler]

I'm against showing the origin, 'cause we already got that with the first Donner's film. While the film is campy & could've done better watching it now, but the origin was perfect that we don't need to see another one.

No, we didn't. We got about a few seconds of an old guy on a barren planet sentencing some criminals to a shiny plate of glass. Then we get a few seconds of him having a quick discussion with a panel of floating heads. Following that we have some shaky camera work with the 'old guy' putting a baby in a crystal chandolier and shooting it up through a ceiling. For the next few seconds we get some space scenes of the flying chandolier with a voice-over of 'Dad' explaning the universe to the infant.

Now, while I grant you the Smallville scenes were nice, they could have done much more with it in the same amount of time.

So... basically.. I hate Donner's visual and lack of development of the Krypton sequence. It's conception is lacking and a bit unbelievable for me.

Batman Begins didn't show Batman's origin because it was a reboot, it's because we never seen an origin done before in the film. Reboot doesn't always have to be an origin again. If the next Superman show an origin, just show few & brief flashbacks. We kinda got that with SR.

Bruce Wayne's origin WAS shown in B 89. It was the dream he was having just before Vicky Vale was let into the cave. Batman Begins is a great example of why I think the next Superman film needs to really flesh out how he came to be. BB gives us a shoulder's view of Bruce's transition from confused child to purposeful adult. The same can be done with Clark. Imagine seeing young Clark exploring the world while trying to find how he fits into it. Imagine that African's passage in 'Birthright' (for my money, the only worthwhile part of that book.).

 

[GreenKToo]

Millar says he didnt pitch and that WB couldnt afford him now? RIIIIGHT, lol.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/supermannews.php?id=8703

 

[The Guard]

At this point, who cares?

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

To answer the question of the thread in one simple word, people are STUPID.

A restart of Superman (or any other comic book character for that matter) and not showing the origin, is completly moronic.
If anyone just wants to see movie about the powers and adventures of Superman, go read a comic book or something.
But if you really want a Superman movie, one that really explains the characters, one that shows why he does what he does, one that makes people understand Superman, then, of course there will the origin, that´s not even open to debate.

Krypton (until explosion) - 20 minutes
Smallville (until going to Metropolis) - 30 minutes
Metropolis (before Superman) - 20 minutes
Superman - 80 minutes

That´s the movie that i want to see

 

[DavidTyler]

To answer the question of the thread in one simple word, people are STUPID.

A restart of Superman (or any other comic book character for that matter) and not showing the origin, is completly moronic.
If anyone just wants to see movie about the powers and adventures of Superman, go read a comic book or something.
But if you really want a Superman movie, one that really explains the characters, one that shows why he does what he does, one that makes people understand Superman, then, of course there will the origin, that´s not even open to debate.

Krypton (until explosion) - 20 minutes
Smallville (until going to Metropolis) - 30 minutes
Metropolis (before Superman) - 20 minutes
Superman - 80 minutes

That´s the movie that i want to see

While I am in total agreement with you, 20 minutes is an incredibly long time in movies. I know you're just ball-parking but sit with a movie and a stop watch and see just how long most scenes take.

I think we can do an amazing, entertaining, informative early years with much less use of screen time.

Krypton (until explosion) - 10 minutes
Smallville (until leaving to travel the world) - 5 minutes
World travels (until arriving in Metropolis) - 12 minutes
Metropolis (before Superman) - 3 minutes
Superman - The remainder of the film.

There you have the first 30 minutes of the film dedicated to comfortably telling Clark's story (and a bit of Jor-el's). This leaves at least an hour to two for anthing you want to do with the character once he's established.

I ran scenes in my head to arrive at those figures based on something I've written and have posted elsewhere on these boards ... a short treatment for Jor-El and Krypton. The rest of the origin is just a passage with the Kents where we see at least one scene that establishes why he must keep his powers in check, a bit where he's trying to see where he fits in, and lastly how he arrives at the identity of Superman.

 

[SuperMike335!!]

While I am in total agreement with you, 20 minutes is an incredibly long time in movies. I know you're just ball-parking but sit with a movie and a stop watch and see just how long most scenes take.

I think we can do an amazing, entertaining, informative early years with much less use of screen time.

Krypton (until explosion) - 10 minutes
Smallville (until leaving to travel the world) - 5 minutes
World travels (until arriving in Metropolis) - 12 minutes
Metropolis (before Superman) - 3 minutes
Superman - The remainder of the film.

There you have the first 30 minutes of the film dedicated to comfortably telling Clark's story (and a bit of Jor-el's). This leaves at least an hour to two for anthing you want to do with the character once he's established.

I ran scenes in my head to arrive at those figures based on something I've written and have posted elsewhere on these boards ... a short treatment for Jor-El and Krypton. The rest of the origin is just a passage with the Kents where we see at least one scene that establishes why he must keep his powers in check, a bit where he's trying to see where he fits in, and lastly how he arrives at the identity of Superman.

Dave, what is your take on an "Origin" being short segments showing his origin, Krypton, the destruction, growing up, earth, traveling, donning the costume etc… All to music during the opening credits?

In that I also mean re-booted versions of those scenes.

Something put together to look like realized version of something in-between STAS and the Birthright comic look and feel, condensed to only the opening credits or maybe running just a little longer than them, but then bringing us to him in modern form as the music tapers off.

This way the audience knows it is a "new" take on things, gets exposed to new visuals for what krypton was, and at the same time understands it still follows the general flow to the now mythic Superman origin.

I’d prefer to have a full 20-30 minutes devoted to the origin myself, but I could live with an opening credit sequence.

 

[DavidTyler]

Dave, what is your take on an "Origin" being short segments showing his origin, Krypton, the destruction, growing up, earth, traveling, donning the costume etc… All to music during the opening credits?

God, no.... I'm talking fully realized segments after the opening credits.

In that I also mean re-booted versions of those scenes.

Something put together to look like realized version of something in-between STAS and the Birthright comic look and feel, condensed to only the opening credits or maybe running just a little longer than them, but then bringing us to him in modern form as the music tapers off.

I actually don't like Birthright. I especially don't like Waid's take on Krypton or the origin of the emblem. The only part I like is Clark wandering the world and it seems to me that I read that in regular continuity long before Birthright.

This way the audience knows it is a "new" take on things, gets exposed to new visuals for what krypton was, and at the same time understands it still follows the general flow to the now mythic Superman origin.

I’d prefer to have a full 20-30 minutes devoted to the origin myself, but I could live with an opening credit sequence.

I couldn't be happy with it just running under the opening credits.. I'd live with it if I had to but it would piss me off.

I think 30 minutes out of a movie an hour and a half long is not too much to ask and would be enough to allow those segments I've mentioned to be given more than a passing nod or lip service.

David

 

[SuperMike335!!]

I think 30 minutes out of a movie an hour and a half long is not too much to ask and would be enough to allow those segments I've mentioned to be given more than a passing nod or lip service.

David

The movie could even be 2 hours long or more, so long as there is enough action to hold attention that long.