Why are so many people deadset against showing the origin?

[Fresh Prince]

How about a Superboy movie then to explain stuff, but not like SV.

Better then SV actually, and done right.

 

[Crook]

it could probably work, but for me like i said with any restart we need to have at least certain aspects shown/talked about so we know why things are different then others. Instead of just dropping in the middle of something with nothing of the past being shown/talked about at all.

I wouldn't say that not immediately depicting the entire origin is considered dropping you in the middle of things. It is, after all, a separate entity. It's no doubt why practically ALL origin films seem like two different films edited together. Krypton is merely the genesis and background history of the character, but it's by no means necessary in showing a clear arc from small-town boy to world-renowned superhero.

With a reboot, you'd still need to properly reintroduce all the classic elements involved with Metropolis, Smallville, and such. There's plenty of factors involved.

 

[Webhead2006]

totally as i said i just wouldnt want no krypton/smallville stuff shown at all. Since we would loose out on many characters and plots you can develop stuff from.

 

[GreenKToo]

From the sound of things, they want to get away from the donnerverse...so that means a new superman for a new generation. That says to me ORIGIN.

 

[Fresh Prince]

As long as we get away from Donnerverse I would take an orgin.........That means no more conman Lex and boring Superman.

 

[solidsnake86]

As long as you start out with his first day at the daily planet and throw in some flashbacks to smallville I think your good. No need to do a linear origin like STM

 

[Webhead2006]

totally you can go linear storytelling or non linear i dont really mind either as long as we get to see some krypton stuff, and his smallville/pre superman life too during film. Plus yea i so want to step away from donner's story/look/take. That isnt really want most fans want any more. Yes it is good for what it was and for its time. But the character has grown and changed alot over the past 30+ years. Like i keep saying it would be best to keep any nods to donner to a minium and then look at what made the chacter best in each decade. Mix those traits together and make a nice well rounded out superman character. Bring in corp lex luthor/with political aspirations. Then bring in actual foes supes can fight like brainiac/metallo/mongul/darkseid/etc.......

 

[Matt]

Origins have been done to death (especially Superman's). Give it a rest.
All this origin fever brought the most outrageous blasphemy in all comics history: Wolverine's origin.
There is absolutely no proof that origins cause attachment of the audience to the character.

How so? Its been on film once in the past 30 years.

 

[Crook]

As long as you start out with his first day at the daily planet and throw in some flashbacks to smallville I think your good. No need to do a linear origin like STM

Why would you skip that?

 

[Fresh Prince]

I like a Superboy movie.....That can show his orgins and also Smallville days.

Yes we have SV but SV is different mythos of Superman.

 

[DavidTyler]

I'm saying that if All Star Superman, the most accessible and most praised Superman book this decade spent a mere three panels detailing the origin of superman, than a film version dosent need to waste an hour using the same template it did thirty years ago. Either way, I couldnt care less. If they dont show an origin, fine, but if they do, hopefully its short

All Star Superman was playing to the comic book audience... the fans already live and breathe Superman's history. It's not a viable comparison to the General Public.

The GP needs to understand it's a complete reboot. You can't sell them on that idea with a quick rehash of what may or may not be the Donner version of his origin. It needs to be told in as much depth as necessary to let the casual veiwer know that it's a completely unconnected retelling.

 

[Webhead2006]

that is what i want to see too, if we are rebooting we need to clearly reboot and tell everything from a new story point and look.

 

[MadVillainy]

i still have yet to hear why an origins story is bad for reboot or at least a valid arguement

 

[Webhead2006]

i think the only reason people dont want to see it, cause they think its something not needed since we had it with STM and all the other live action/animated takes since then. But i personally think if this is to be a whole new begining we need it so we can clearly show everyone this isnt like the others and we get a whole new look to krypton/smallville new storylines about last days of krypton, and pre superman life for clark kent. There is many ways things can go. I said it before i personally would really hate that all the film supermans are stuck in the donner setting. Yes i love it alot, but that was a thing of the 70s/80s. The character has changed alot and fans have grown to like different aspects of the character. So it would be great to have more elements fans want to see finally have their chance on the big screen.

 

[Thundercrack85]

They can also do a hell lot more now with modern special effects. Krypton can be shown properly finally.

 

[Webhead2006]

and we can see a different take and backstory on krypton then an ice world that just naturally went boom.

 

[SuperMike335!!]

i think the only reason people dont want to see it, cause they think its something not needed since we had it with STM and all the other live action/animated takes since then. But i personally think if this is to be a whole new begining we need it so we can clearly show everyone this isnt like the others and we get a whole new look to krypton/smallville new storylines about last days of krypton, and pre superman life for clark kent. There is many ways things can go. I said it before i personally would really hate that all the film supermans are stuck in the donner setting. Yes i love it alot, but that was a thing of the 70s/80s. The character has changed alot and fans have grown to like different aspects of the character. So it would be great to have more elements fans want to see finally have their chance on the big screen.

Exactly,

If its to be a whole new begining, then it needs a whole new begining.

I think part of the reason some folks don't want a new origin is that they actually want a new movie to still be stuck in the Donnerverse.

This may get heat from the Donner Cultists, but as good as the Donner movies were, they were not perfect.

 

[Rodimus Primal]

If they are doing a REBOOT then an origin is necessary but IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE THE BEGINNING OF THE MOVIE!!! We can start with him established as Superman or start with his first appearance as the title hero. We can always go back an explain the origin later in the film in flashbacks once the audience becomes interested in the character.

 

[M.O.Steel]

i think superman needs an origin, even if it's just to the extent of Batman 89

 

[Webhead2006]

yea i am open for any way for the story to be told, i just wouldnt want to see origins skipped out entirely as i said. Since we would lose chances for various things to do/set up.

 

[The Guard]

I think a new Superman movie definitely needs to touch on the origin of the character and his elements, but in a more or less nonlinear fashion. Even moreso than BATMAN BEGINS did even, though not with the same structure. Superman's origin elements are simple and straightforward enough that they can be revealed as the story continues to move forward, with Clark and others looking back into the past. This is actually a major theme in my Superman script, the past, and the effect it has on our future actions. The origin elements don't neccessarily need to be frontloaded as they were in SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE. This will allow origin elements to be seen, but not take up a huge huge chunk of the story, allowing for a lot more exploration of key concepts and characters. This approach can be taken over a number of films. We don't have to see everything up front. That's the approach my scripts have taken, and while it jumps around a smidge at first, it seems to work fairly well so far.

 

[M.O.Steel]

SR was severely lacking a proper introduction. yes its true everyone knows the general aspects of the character, but the GA doesn't really know anything outside of that. I'm pretty sure most don't even know his birthname, let alone his father and mother's name.

 

[MadVillainy]

even though I dont like the direction its going Superman: Secret Origins has some things that could be good for a film like Young Clark saving Lana from a tornado

 

[The Batman]

All Star Superman was playing to the comic book audience... the fans already live and breathe Superman's history. It's not a viable comparison to the General Public.

The GP needs to understand it's a complete reboot. You can't sell them on that idea with a quick rehash of what may or may not be the Donner version of his origin. It needs to be told in as much depth as necessary to let the casual veiwer know that it's a completely unconnected retelling.

It dosent NEED to be anything. Batman Begins and TDK were reboots, and you STILL have people confused over their connection to the old franchise. On another hand, still speaking of batman, i doubt anyone had trouble realzing that B89 wasnt connected to the Adam West TV show. A simple difference in aesthetics, character portryals, and enough of a different origin shown can be just as effective as any "In depth" origin.

If the "Fleischer" Cartoons and the 50's show can present an origin in 5 minutes, i dont see why a new movie cant.

And by the way....I very much doubt the audience gives a damn whether or not its connected to donner or not. Its funny...you guys claim that the donner origin is too old for most to remember, therefore its necessary for a new in depth origin...and then turn around and say that the same audience has to know its different from donner...how can they know its different from something they supposedly dont know existed??? Did most even know SR was connected to Donner's Superman? Did most even care??? I very much doubt they did care.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Exactly The Batman the GA do not care about an orgin story only the comic book ppl....Also as long as the movie is good then people sure as hell will not care.

And lol sorry but who thought Nolan's movies was still suck in Burton'Schumaker's movies? I mean when BB was about to come out I thought it was gonna be a prequel of B89 but then I saw the movie and found out it was not....Indeed it was a remake/reboot.