Why Bale and Routh arent part of the Justice League

[Deep Thought]

So does this mean we won't be seeing Talia in a Nolan film?

 

[souvlaki]

There's no difference in doing JL later, and doing it now. Either way, it would be Bale playing Batman. And it's not like Miller would be telling the same story as Nolan (clearly it isn't), so I do not get this whole "interference" argument. Bale would have been the only one transitioning into the other franchise. Now if Miller had wanted Ledger and Caine, then maybe I'd understand....

There is a difference. Doing it now means that Christian Bale would be playing Batman twice within a two year span, and possibly jumping right back into it with another Batman sequel right after finishing up on JLA. I'm surprised noone has thought this may have been a huge factor in him turning it down.

And really, we don't know Nolan's plans for future sequels. It's entirely possible this whole thing may be over the fact that Nolan planned to return to the Ra's storyline, or introduce Talia at some point in his own series. I agree that he should not be the only person allowed to use these characters, but I'm sure Nolan has his reasons for being pissed. Either way, there is no real reason to complain. Even if Nolan wasn't pissed, I really have strong doubts that Bale would have chosen to do this movie so soon after finishing Dark Knight. You are still getting your JLA movie, Nolan will most likely continue making his films. The only people that are possibly losing in this situation are Superman fans that want a Returns sequel.

 

[dark_b]

i am on nolans site. not because i am a nolan fan but because WB are idiots. they could have used tons of DC characters. but they wanted to mention ra's. just to confuse the whole world.

and thats why nolan IMO is angry.

 

[jmc]

It seems like people are hell bent on blaming both Nolan and Singer for the way JL is going when clearing the ones doing the decisions are Warner Bros, they had the current actors in mind originally, but for some reason just couldn't wait, that's the bit I don't quite understand, why not wait until the Batman series was over (2011?), second Superman film (2009) do the Wonder Woman and Flash films (2010?) and end each series with the JL extravaganza, why does JL have to be now?

 

[Manosman]

It seems like people are hell bent on blaming both Nolan and Singer for the way JL is going when clearing the ones doing the decisions are Warner Bros, they had the current actors in mind originally, but for some reason just couldn't wait, that's the bit I don't quite understand, why not wait until the Batman series was over (2011?), second Superman film (2009) do the Wonder Woman and Flash films (2010?) and end each series with the JL extravaganza, why does JL have to be now?

wouldnt that make sense......
tdk 2008
tmos 2009
ww or flash 2010
batman 3 2011
jl 2012 or 13

 

[Crook]

There is a difference. Doing it now means that Christian Bale would be playing Batman twice within a two year span, and possibly jumping right back into it with another Batman sequel right after finishing up on JLA. I'm surprised noone has thought this may have been a huge factor in him turning it down.

Filming an ensemble film is less for the actor, than filming a solo venture. Plus, TDK isn't even finished filming yet. So where'd you get the notion that another batsequel would be filming? Bale has at least another 2 years to wait before he even gets the chance to work with Nolan on a Batman film.

You are still getting your JLA movie, Nolan will most likely continue making his films. The only people that are possibly losing in this situation are Superman fans that want a Returns sequel.

You're discounting the many fans that wanted Bale to reprise his role.

It seems like people are hell bent on blaming both Nolan and Singer for the way JL is going when clearing the ones doing the decisions are Warner Bros, they had the current actors in mind originally, but for some reason just couldn't wait, that's the bit I don't quite understand, why not wait until the Batman series was over (2011?), second Superman film (2009) do the Wonder Woman and Flash films (2010?) and end each series with the JL extravaganza, why does JL have to be now?

They tried that route. The WW & Flash films failed to pick up steam and SR massively underperformed. For WB, they're not willing to risk so much for such an ambitious project that's not guaranteed to rake them in some profit.

A JL film provides a springboard for everyone, and if it's successful, they have the option of branching out. This is the next best logical step, if the first plan didn't work out.

 

[jmc]

They tried that route. The WW & Flash films failed to pick up steam and SR massively underperformed. For WB, they're not willing to risk so much for such an ambitious project that's not guaranteed to rake them in some profit.

A JL film provides a springboard for everyone, and if it's successful, they have the option of branching out. This is the next best logical step, if the first plan didn't work out.

So this is plan B? What if this fails, then what?

 

[Crook]

If it fails, then you can kiss goodbye to any future DC film projects.









Asides from Bats of course. He'll live on regardless.

 

[Deep Thought]

I blame this on the bastard son.

 

[Hunter Rider]

With his Joker I am honestly getting used to the idea of this being the stylish Batman and Nolan's being Swatman with the gritty boots,

 

[Steelsheen]

So Bale originally said he wanted to appear in JL? I have never read him say that but I would love to be proven wrong.

Way back in the BB days, he was asked about BVS, and he said that he's contracted for 2 Batfilms, and then a third batfilm or an ensemble.

Also, earlier in the year he was asked about JL, and his response was that he definitely wouldn't count it out, because when he's old and gray he'll probably be running around in the tights with other guys performing for little kids. A joke obviously, but wasn't remotely a decline at any sort of project.

Back then, JL was nothing but a fanboy wish, so I didn't really pay no mind to it. Had I known we'd be here, I'd have saved the interview link. You know me, I wouldn't lie about this.

i can back Drexx on this. in fact there was a particular interview where they asked Bale if he wanted to wrestle Superman and Bale nodded his head vigorously.

i've been a long time Bale fan, so trust me when i say that the guy was keenly interested in doing a JLA movie, its just that present circumstances have forced him to defer despite his personal wishes.

I don't think Nolan brain washed him. He threw a fit, and Bale obviously saw that working on the film might create problems between the two. It put him in an akward situation, and he went with his director over the studio.

yeah, this is what i've been saying. i dont think Nolan can keep anyone from working on any film, but the actors/ crew will refrain in respect of Nolan. whether or not the next Batman movies will do well, Nolan is a great director, and people wouldnt want to do anything that would ruin future prospects of working with him.

So does this mean we won't be seeing Talia in a Nolan film?

i guess not

 

[jmc]

If it fails, then you can kiss goodbye to any future DC film projects.

Then that is a waste, WB have got these great characters with decades of history behind, each unique and interesting (except the Boy Scout, but that's just me t. But JL has always felt like WB has just chucked the towel in, thrown their hands up and said 'Too hard'. Why throw all your eggs into one basket when it could blow up in your face big time? I've said it before, I'm happy to wait 5-10 years to see FL or WW in solo films, as long as they get the story right, but maybe it's just me. I'm not part of Generation X-Box so big explosions, Special FX and one-dimensional characters mean little to me.

 

[The Guard]

Assuming this is true...

Then who cares?

Christian Bale didn't do so well as Batman that a decent actor working with a good script can't come close, equal or surpass his turn as The Dark Knight.

If Nolan's actually pissed, he needs to get the hell over himself and his relatively half-assed portrayal of Ra's Al Ghul sans Talia. If you wanted to use Talia, Chris, you should have. And if you had plans to return to Ra's Al Ghul in BATMAN 3...then I'd say this doesn't affect that one iota.

And...

You're all *****ing about a JUSTICE LEAGUE movie. I never thought I'd see the day

 

[Crook]

Christian Bale didn't do so well as Batman that a decent actor working with a good script can't come close, equal or surpass his turn as The Dark Knight.

I'd be fine with another actor playing Bats, but c'mon.

His role in BB was probably one of Bale's weakest performances, but he still did pretty damn good in the role. Good enough that I wouldn't say any ol' decent actor could've done just as well in his shoes. For example, I don't see many people pulling off that interrogation scene with such intensity.

 

[The Guard]

I'd be fine with another actor playing Bats, but c'mon.

His role in BB was probably one of Bale's weakest performances, but he still did pretty damn good in the role. Good enough that I wouldn't say any ol' decent actor could've done just as well in his shoes.

There it is...right there. You called it one of his weakest performances. The man isn't the king of acting. A subpar performance for him in a subpar performance.

No, any old "average" actor could not do that, but any solid actor could. I'm including people like Josh Duhamel. You don't have to be a premiere actor to pull off a role like Batman, you just have to do it well.

Bale didn't exactly leave everything on the screen for BATMAN BEGINS. He gave a solid performance, and he looked good doing it, but he did nothing that someone with simlar traits (look, voice, presence) couldn't duplicate.

Or do you all think it's that hard to "rasp"?

For example, I don't see many people pulling off that interrogation scene with such intensity.

It's called acting. If a scene calls for intensity, an actor does "intense". Bale was essentially yelling in a rasp. It's cool to see, but it's not a difficult piece of acting. It's yelling in a rasp, and it's cake if you can do voicework.

 

[Crook]

There it is...right there. You called it one of his weakest performances. The man isn't the king of acting. A subpar performance for him in a subpar performance.

It's the difference between a whole bunch of 9s, and then getting an 8. I'm not pointing out a huge gap in skill here. Wasn't that big of a deal to me, because as I said, he still turned in a good performance.

No, any old "average" actor could not do that, but any solid actor could.

Well that's a different statement altogether then, because here I agree. I had issue with the "decent actor" quip.

Bale didn't exactly leave everything on the screen for BATMAN BEGINS. He gave a solid performance, and he looked good doing it, but he did nothing that someone with simlar traits (look, voice, presence) couldn't duplicate.

Lol, that's a whole lot of traits to duplicate. And not exactly easy attainable either. Not too many "decent actors" I see roaming around with those qualities.

 

[Steelsheen]

guys you're forgetting that Bale also has this bearing/ presence that just screams Bruce Wayne/ Batman. its the same elusive quality that was last seen in Christopher Reeve. you can always find a lookalike to replace an actor who made a role great (like Routh) however you'd have a tougher time finding that actor who has that special something.

 

[The Guard]

Ah yes..."presence", or the real word for it..."poise".

That "special something" is possessed by many of the actors in Hollywood. Or they wouldn't be there. I'm not saying it's always used, but it's not THAT elusive.

It's the difference between a whole bunch of 9s, and then getting an 8. I'm not pointing out a huge gap in skill here. Wasn't that big of a deal to me, because as I said, he still turned in a good performance.

I suppose. But again, it's not like he was working with difficult material. He had only basic emotions to convey, and no truly difficult emotional transitions during BATMAN BEGINS as I recall.

Lol, that's a whole lot of traits to duplicate. And not exactly easy attainable either. Not too many "decent actors" I see roaming around with those qualities.

You're right, it's not "easily attainable" as a lot of it is stuff you are literally born with or without, but that said, those traits exist in spades in Hollywood's ranks. You don't think there are more than a few actors who have a decent look, voice and presence in Hollywood? Are you kidding me?

It's not like Bale looks like the comic book Bruce Wayne. He doesn't have the look at all, in fact. He's almost more suited to be someone like The Joker or The Scarecrow than Bruce Wayne. But he made a decent Bruce Wayne nonetheless. Why? Because he possessed a few key traits a movie Batman should have. And he was in makeup, hair, and costumes that made him look the part.

A movie version of Bruce Wayne/Batman should have a decent height, build, be somewhat handsome, kinda stoic, decent physicality, and have a decent voice that they can manipulate. Things like martial arts ability/doing stunts can be taught or handled during the production. It helps if an actor has some eeriness or darkness to him. And presence, which most male actors who have come anywhere CLOSE to the role already have. It's pretty much an action/drama prerequisite.

Yeah, you won't find that in Hollywood. Are you kidding me? I'm not talking about A-list superstars, or even "name" actors, but there are SO MANY who can do what Bale did. No, they're not going to BE Bale, but you'd better believe there are a lot of men who could pull off "Batman" just as well, or even better, depending on their particular traits and talents.

I think sometimes some of you think because fanboys can only come up with nonsensical choices like David Boreanaz for Batman that that's all their is.

Although hey, I'll admit...few actors could "underplay" (whisper) their important lines like Bale
does.

All joking aside...I was impressed by the way he got in shape so quickly for the role, and I thought Bale gave a solid performance in the film itself. But I don't think he's proved himself irreplaceable on any level.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I love his Wayne, his Bats though can be improved on IMO and this movie will probably see much more Batman than Bruce Wayne i imagine.

 

[Crook]

It's not like Bale looks like the comic book Bruce Wayne. He doesn't have the look at all, in fact. But he made a decent Bruce Wayne. Why? Because he possessed a few key traits a movie Batman should have.

A movie version of Bruce Wayne/Batman should have a decent height, build, be somewhat handsome, kinda stoic, decent physicality, and have a decent voice that they can manipulate. Things like martial arts ability/doing stunts can be taught or handled during the production. It helps if an actor has some eeriness or darkness to him.

Yeah, you won't find that in Hollywood. Are you kidding me?

I'm going to have to ask if you're the one kidding here. Is it your intention to just argue instead of reading what I told you? Asides from the fact that I JUST stated I agreed there are other solid actors who could play the role, what is the issue here?

You mentioned "any decent actor" could have done this role. I disagreed. You then changed your stance to "solid actor". Which is a pretty big difference. But whatever, I agreed.

All that sh1t you just typed up above? DECENT actors don't have that. Decent doesn't even suggest they're good. Just barely passable. That is why I disagreed with you in the first place.

I'm not talking about A-list superstars, or even "name" actors, but there are SO MANY who can do what Bale did.

Feel free to name all that come to mind. It's such a huge list apparently, so it won't be a problem.

I think sometimes some of you think because fanboys can only come up with nonsensical choices like David Boreanaz for Batman that that's all their is.

I already mentioned in my first sentence that I wouldn't mind another actor playing Bats. And since there has been absolutely no one else in this argument that has said otherwise, I have to ask who the hell you are talking to?

 

[The Guard]

We're long past the "decent actor" thing. But you seem to think these traits aren't common among actors. They are. That's why they're in the business. No, I can't list hundreds of unknowns or relative unknowns for you, partially because I'm not such a fan of movies that I can do something like that. I avoid "casting" discussions for precisely that reason. I'm simply not "In the know" in terms of TV and movie actors. But I do know that Hollywood is huge. There's a huge crop of unknown actors and relative unknowns who fit the bill. I'll let you know the next time I see one, though.

 

[The Guard]

Actually...

1. Jim Caviezel. Every bit as much range as Christian Bale, and could easily fit the role. Frankly, Jim does dark/light so well he could be Superman, too. And he very nearly almost sort of was.

 

[The Guard]

2. Johnny Depp. Ditto the range, interesting look, interesting take on Wayne, but could easily pull it off.

 

[The Guard]

I'm going to Red Lobster. I'll keep going as they come to me. I'll start with big names, work down as much as I can.

 

[Crook]

We're long past the "decent actor" thing.

Well I was. Did you again forget I agreed with your "solid actor" statement? We're going in circles here...

But you seem to think these traits aren't common among actors. They are. That's why they're in the business.

Apparently I have to bold key words. Let me quote myself again:

Lol, that's a whole lot of traits to duplicate. And not exactly easy attainable either. Not too many "decent actors" I see roaming around with those qualities.

I even made it bigger just in case.

So please tell me where I indicated I was talking about actors in general. I made it quite clear what specific group I was referring to.

Actually...

1. Jim Caviezel. Every bit as much range as Christian Bale, and could easily fit the role.

He'd be ideal. Lots of people prefer him for Supes, but he fits the look of Bruce more. Even more than Bale.