Why Bale and Routh arent part of the Justice League

Sort of. Not professionally. I was in a lot of theatre in college, a few shows since, have written a few fanfilm projects, and I write fanfiction and my own stuff, just kinda for fun, but I'm not involved in the arts professionally. Why do you ask?

Just asking coz I think if you were involved professionally in some form of art/design business I think you might see things a little differently. As someone who is in the art/design business I can see where Nolan would be annoyed, in fact I've had similar things happen to me, not exactly the same, but similar.

Ok, lets say Justice League is a bad film, I'm mean really bad, Batman and Robin bad, there is a possibility that negative reception could flow over to subsequent superhero based films, in spite of how good the predecessors are. Having said that however, the reverse could also possibly happen, the film might be so bad that audience will see that Nolan's series as being far superior, thereby reaction may be limited to the JL film only and Nolan's final film could benefit. It's a coin flip situation, it could go either way, the question Nolan is probably asking is why flip the coin in the first place?

This all depends on whether Dark Knight is any good, if it sucks then it's a different argument.
 
Just asking coz I think if you were involved professionally in some form of art/design business I think you might see things a little differently. As someone who is in the art/design business I can see where Nolan would be annoyed, in fact I've had similar things happen to me, not exactly the same, but similar.

Ok, lets say Justice League is a bad film, I'm mean really bad, Batman and Robin bad, there is a possibility that negative reception could flow over to subsequent superhero based films, in spite of how good the predecessors are. Having said that however, the reverse could also possibly happen, the film might be so bad that audience will see that Nolan's series as being far superior, thereby reaction may be limited to the JL film only and Nolan's final film could benefit. It's a coin flip situation, it could go either way, the question Nolan is probably asking is why flip the coin in the first place?

This all depends on whether Dark Knight is any good, if it sucks then it's a different argument.

I have the answer to the question Nolan might be asking. They are flipping the coin now because Superman totally underpreformed. period. It's not a mystery. That's why JLA is happening now. Regardless of who is to blame, Superman Returns (in my opinion a good movie) seriously did not come close to meeting expectations for the studio and many people...and now Superman needs saving. Nolan turned his back on Superman...how low is that.
 
I think it's stupid that they won't use Routh just because Bale isn't in it. Routh deserves it after WB screwing him over for this film. Someone start a petiton!
 
I think Routh should be Superman too, regardless of whether Bale is in it or not.
 
Yeah, he would have been awesome, and he really deserved it. He wanted to do it. And he was the best thing about SR.
 
I will laugh long and hard if it's announced that both Bale and Routh will be in this movie :D

It would be the ultimate misinformation campaign.
 
I will laugh long and hard if it's announced that both Bale and Routh will be in this movie :D

It would be the ultimate misinformation campaign.

And the ultimate fanwank. :woot: Sadly it will never happen. :csad:
 
When we actually find out if Nolan did indeed have a grievance and what it was, we'll we able to discuss this more appropriately.

Just asking coz I think if you were involved professionally in some form of art/design business I think you might see things a little differently.

Oh, the oh-so-elite world of "You can't do that, that's my idea"? No one but a TRUE artiste could ever understand that, right? :)

No, I don't think I would see things differently. I'm not that thin skinned, and in this case, I damn sure understand the nature of adaptation of characters I didn't create or own quite well. If, like Nolan, I didn't own Batman, and WB did, I wouldn't ***** when WB wanted to show people just how cool Batman can be with other superheroes, or wanted to show another aspect of Batman's mythology. What's next, Chris Nolan complaining about THE BATMAN animated series or reruns of JUSTICE LEAGUE?

As someone who is in the art/design business I can see where Nolan would be annoyed, in fact I've had similar things happen to me, not exactly the same, but similar.

There's a difference between actually creating something and someone else taking what you did and passing it off as their own...and helping restart a hero's popularity and having someone else show a different aspect of the hero's mythology. That is what's going on here.

And you know what? Nolan did not create Batman, nor did he create the elements of the Batman mythology that made people like BATMAN BEGINS (gasp, I know, it's true, he didn't come up with that stuff). Again, it's not like WB is forcing Nolan to make his third Batman film "JUSTICE LEAGUE" or "BATMAN AND SUPERMAN". Nolan's Batman will still be able to operate solo, in his own, slightly more realistic world, and no harm, no foul.

Ok, lets say Justice League is a bad film, I'm mean really bad, Batman and Robin bad, there is a possibility that negative reception could flow over to subsequent superhero based films, in spite of how good the predecessors are.

Lets say it is. 1, that is unlikely. And 2, why would people abandon Nolan's Batman franchise over something that isn't related to it? Remember, people came back to Batman without much fuss after BATMAN & ROBIN. Are people now suddenly so stupid they can't tell the difference between movie franchises? If THE DARK KNIGHT is serious, well written and well done, why would people suddenly abandon the sequel, especially if it looks good when the trailers come out?

Having said that however, the reverse could also possibly happen, the film might be so bad that audience will see that Nolan's series as being far superior, thereby reaction may be limited to the JL film only and Nolan's final film could benefit. It's a coin flip situation, it could go either way, the question Nolan is probably asking is why flip the coin in the first place?

I'll be honest. If this is the way Nolan's thinking, and I very much doubt it is, Nolan needs to stop overthinking things so much and just make the best movies he can, and let the chips fall where they may. You don't blame someone else for your film's shortcomings.

Some of you are making so many assumptions it's not funny.

Once again. We don't know the nature of Nolan's grievance, if there is in fact one, but I'm damn sure it isn't "Oh no, how will the financial success of JUSTICE LEAGUE impact a film I haven't even made?"

The ONLY way I could understand Nolan being upset is if he'd planned to use Talia in BATMAN 3. But then, if he's banking on a twist like that to make his BATMAN 3 work, he's screwed anyway.
 
1, that is unlikely. And 2, why would people abandon Batman? Remember, people came back after BATMAN & ROBIN. Are people now suddenly so stupid they can't tell the difference between movies?

Suddenly? Anyone else here remember the myriad of websites/reviews that called Joe Chill killing the Waynes a "Continuity Error" because Joker killed them? Even IMDB had it as such for a couple months after release.

Once again. We don't know the nature of Nolan's grievance, if there is in fact one, but I'm damn sure it isn't "Oh no, how will the financial success of JUSTICE LEAGUE impact a film I haven't even made".
I smell a contradiction :whatever: You can't say "we don't know" and then go on to refute someone's else's opinion of what the grievance is on the basis of you being "damn sure".

Besides which, what makes you so "damn sure"? Nolan KNOWS he wants to make 3 Batman movies, he has them planned out, and he is ready to execute. It isn't like he is NOT thinking about his future films. I'm "damn sure" (:cwink:) BB3 is on his mind on a fairly regular basis, and the financial success of his films is VERY important to him as it determines, to an extent, the kind of work he will be able to get in the future.

A bad JL movie between TDK and BB3 may very well be the difference between Joe Schmoe saying "Hey, let's see BB3, remember how awesome that Batman movie with Joker was?" and "Meh, I don't know if I want to go see BB3, remember that Batman movie with Superman? It was kinda lame". Now, I am not implying that this represents a majority of the population, or even a large percentage of it, but there are people who will think along these lines. (Remember, there are people out there who consider Paris Hilton "a celebrity") And, of course, this hinges on TDK being "awesome", though in Nolan's mind, I'm sure it is :yay:
 
Suddenly? Anyone else here remember the myriad of websites/reviews that called Joe Chill killing the Waynes a "Continuity Error" because Joker killed them? Even IMDB had it as such for a couple months after release.

So some people are stupid/slow. IMDB tends to be edited by ANYONE, so I don't really give anything I see on there much weight.

I smell a contradiction You can't say "we don't know" and then go on to refute someone's else's opinion of what the grievance is on the basis of you being "damn sure".

I'm basing it off what I know about Nolan. Which is what he tends to be pretty intelligent and professional.

Besides which, what makes you so "damn sure"? Nolan KNOWS he wants to make 3 Batman movies, he has them planned out, and he is ready to execute.

Does he?

It isn't like he is NOT thinking about his future films. I'm "damn sure" () BB3 is on his mind on a fairly regular basis, and the financial success of his films is VERY important to him as it determines, to an extent, the kind of work he will be able to get in the future.

But to be concerned about a film that will likely be a box office success? Come on...

A bad JL movie between TDK and BB3 may very well be the difference between Joe Schmoe saying "Hey, let's see BB3, remember how awesome that Batman movie with Joker was?" and "Meh, I don't know if I want to go see BB3, remember that Batman movie with Superman? It was kinda lame". Now, I am not implying that this represents a majority of the population, or even a large percentage of it, but there are people who will think along these lines. (Remember, there are people out there who consider Paris Hilton "a celebrity")

Look at the world we live in. Look at the movies that are popular, and the general success of any decent superhero film over the last five to seven years. Even GHOST RIDER made money.

What are the odds of a large enough number of people to matter actually thinking an action-packed effects-heavy JUSTICE LEAGUE is too lame to go see?
 
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I've said my piece on why Nolan may be annoyed, I have no further reason to comment on it, I may be way off, I could be spot on, I don't know. In conclusion, JL could, I repeat could have an impact on the Batman series for either good or bad, there's also the possibility that it will absolutely have no impact, nothing is certain, JL success isn't certain, hell even The Dark Knight isn't certain to succeed, in 2-3 years time we shall see the results, only then will we know where things stand.

"Here endeth my debate Mr Speaker" :woot:
 
I couldn't help it :D

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The smartest thing for WB to do is to not rush this steaming pile of crap to beat the strike. And just wait a little while. Then they could've done it with everybody in it, including Bale and still make the JL movie.

This is going to be a rushed X-men 3 style mess. And if the movie is bad, it does step on the toes of the Batman franchise.

Believe it or not, there was still a huge ****ing stigma from Batman and Robin and Catwoman that Batman Begins had to struggle to overcome. This shouldn't be ignored.
 
agreed! lol

so nolan's mad? so what? he can get over himself! he didnt create batman, he just made a movie with his version of batman. JL isnt taking batman man fro him, batman is DC's, not Nolan. Same for Talia, he should have used her in the 1st movie, it owuld have made total sense AND it wold have taken care of a love interest instead of Rachel. besides, introducing her w/o Ra's will seem cliche to non comic ppl (dead man's daughter back for revenge), she should have at least been hinted at or mentioned (only her mom was hinted at). You snooze, you loose, its the way life is
 
Just wait a damn minute.

I don't understand why this is even Nolan or Bale's problem. They made a far-superior superhero movie than any comic book movie I've personally seen, and now they're making a sequel that is sure to be even BETTER, and you're telling me that they have an obligation to sign on to make this pile of crap?

Mark my words: JLA will suck.

Nolan and Bale know this. It's not about money for them... for WB and DC it is. Nolan and Bale want nothing to do with this, because they have artistic integrity. Bottom line. They don't want to make crap.

LET NOLAN TELL HIS STORY. Give him a third movie, and stop pissing him off. Let him and Bale do their thing.

I don't understand why they're to blame... I wouldn't want to be involved in the crappy movie either. For all of you who complained about Spidey 3 being so overcrowded with just 4 main characters... how can JLA work if they've literally got the entire DC roster in a 2 hour movie?

It can't fu**ing work. $$$$ is the ONLY thing on their minds right now, just like $$$$ was the only thing on Schumacher's mind. TOYS TOYS TOYS... and I guarantee you... if JLA happens, we'll be seeing another "Batman & Robin"....... it's not about $$$$ people... it's about making a damn good movie. Nolan has proven this, and I'm pretty sure he'll prove it again in 2008.

Screw this movie.
 
what the HELL are you talking about? Nolan and Bale were/are not made to sign anything! he's getting his 2nd AND 3rd movie! Its not going to affect him!

and youre stupid to say that JL will suck
 
I am happy with two Batman's, 2 arcs in 2 different settings, Personally i have little interest in TDK but i like Bale as an actor, JL is looking sharp with the crew they have and the script synopsis ive seen.
 
what the HELL are you talking about? Nolan and Bale were/are not made to sign anything! he's getting his 2nd AND 3rd movie! Its not going to affect him!

and youre stupid to say that JL will suck

People seem to be pissed at Nolan for being mad about this... and I don't understand that. Bale, and Nolan, in my opinion, should not be looked down on because they don't want to be apart of this.

Honestly, as much as I want this movie... it's going to suck. They're pushing it waaaay too hard... they're rushing like hell... they're casting no-talent kids with hardly any experience.... they've got the director from "Happy Feet"... this movie has "failure" written all over it.

When we get that cast-list tomorrow... mark my words.. it's just more confirmation that this movie is doomed, and you won't see me in the theater.
 
I'm actually kind of glad bale isnt a part of jl, since hes a far better actor than most of the people being rumored for the parts, it would be like bale acting circles around the others, even if routh or welling were cast as supes. reynolds might be able to hold his own, but with rumors of younger cast members, that havent really established themselves like bale has, i think it would be rather silly to see him with a bunch of youngins. It would also be a step down, look at bb and tdk cast lists, most of those actors are seasoned vets, except for holmes, it just wouldnt be right for bale. thats my opinion anyways.
 
Nobody's mad because Nolan is staying away from JL. He has NOTHING to do with JL, he or Bale were not even approached! Yes, JL was going to have Bale but it was changed and he was never approached. I dont know where youre getting your information. I have been keeping up with every bit of JL news because i want this movie to happen because i know its for the better and it will most likely be good, not to mention its a guaranteed block buster

director from Happy Feet? not this again! seriously, he hasnt just done happy feet (which is an amazing movie)

sorry to snap at you like this, but all these people saying JL will suck have seriously made me mad.
 
LMAO. :woot: Miller did The Road Warrior, which rocked ass.
 

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