Why Bale and Routh arent part of the Justice League

[GregComicFan]

I could see Batman being a "cameo" character in JL. Batman is sometimes written as being a loner and not a teamplayer with other superheroes. But not Superman. A JL without Superman won't work. He's always been known as the team leader, basically. And who would replace him? Most likely candidate would be Martian Manhunter, but only fanboys know who he is, not general audiences....so Green Lantern as the leader? hmmmm...

 

[Hunter Rider]

I've got no problem with that, but they have the ideal actor already signed to them. So why even look any further? It's like knowing this perfect girl is ready to be your girlfriend, and you're forced to settle for someone else because your idiot best friend likes to be a cockblocker.


That's right. Nolan is a cockblocker.

LOL I can see your point but Nolan has set his movies up in a way that eschews the fantastical, so I'm not sure it's even a good fit to take Bale's Batman and put him in this movie.

 

[Crook]

LOL I can see your point but Nolan has set his movies up in a way that eschews the fantastical, so I'm not sure it's even a good fit to take Bale's Batman and put him in this movie.

It might eschew the fantastical, but I'm in the mind of "absense of evidence, does not equate to evidence of absence".

Besides, BB was not terribly realistic at all imo. I don't need to go into details, but it wasn't a small-time indie film that had to cut corners to film what they needed. This was a blockbuster film, that made use of it's budget in relatively big ways.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Dosent suprise me about Nolan. Nolan fanboys are selfish about Bats being in a JL film even though bats has been a mainstay in the JL longer than said fanboys have been alive...dosent surprise me nolan himself would be the same way

Last time I checked Batman will be in this JL movie. Where did Nolan say Batman couldn't be in JL? Nolan is not preventing Batman from being used in JL, so what's the big deal? This is much ado about nothing, IMO. You are still getting the character.

Also, Bale basically said in one interview that he didn't want to be Batman without Nolan doing it(I think it was on IESB, he was with Russell Crowe perhaps). So Nolan or Bale doesn't want to work without the other. Besides, didn't WB say that JL, Batman and Superman will be three completely different franchises and continuities?

 

[The Batman]

Last time I checked Batman will be in this JL movie. Where did Nolan say Batman couldn't be in JL? Nolan is not preventing Batman from being used in JL, so what's the big deal? This is much ado about nothing, IMO. You are still getting the character.

Also, Bale basically said in one interview that he didn't want to be Batman without Nolan doing it(I think it was on IESB, he was with Russell Crowe perhaps). So Nolan or Bale doesn't want to work without the other. Besides, didn't WB say that JL, Batman and Superman will be three completely different franchises and continuities?

And where did anyone say that Nolan had any power to remove Batman from a JLA film? No one did. People are just commenting on the boderline childish behavior nolans camp is reported to have...especially since it may have had a hand in bale not appearing in the movie.

 

[Crook]

Last time I checked Batman will be in this JL movie. Where did Nolan say Batman couldn't be in JL? Nolan is not preventing Batman from being used in JL, so what's the big deal? This is much ado about nothing, IMO. You are still getting the character.

We're not getting Bale. That's the issue here.

Also, Bale basically said in one interview that he didn't want to be Batman without Nolan doing it(I think it was on IESB, he was with Russell Crowe perhaps).

Which oddly enough, is a different tone from what he's been hinting at before. I'm sure it's no coincidence this was after JL exploded into the rumorville with Talia and such. Nolan had already gotten to him by then.

So Nolan or Bale doesn't want to work without the other. Besides, didn't WB say that JL, Batman and Superman will be three completely different franchises and continuities?

As Sanchez noted, it was originally planned to be a single continuity, including Bale and Routh. When Nolan stepped in, that's when things were jumbled and WB was forced to make it a different continuity.

I was personally fine with having seperate timelines, but now that I know what could have been, it irks me that an ideal plan for a single DC Universe was ruined.

 

[Hunter Rider]

It might eschew the fantastical, but I'm in the mind of "absense of evidence, does not equate to evidence of absence".

Heh, well that is one way to look at it but it would feel a leap, i mean look at their unfortunate approach to even The Joker, who isn't that fantastical.

Besides, BB was not terribly realistic at all imo. I don't need to go into details, but it wasn't a small-time indie film that had to cut corners to film what they needed. This was a blockbuster film, that made use of it's budget in relatively big ways.

Agreed, it isn't that realistic and it is a blockbuster BUT more in the mould of a Die Hard or Casino Royale type blockbuster, where the action is out there but there is no sci fi elements ala TF.

 

[Wally West]

Screw Nolan. I know some of you think he's a god but so what. If he hadn't thrown a fit, Bale and Routh would be staring in this film and they would have been able to attract more talented actors to complete the cast. The script looks very good at this point, and Superman should be making 350 million a film in the U.S., SR was a big disapointment. WB had to do something about that. If the cast ends up being horrible I'm blaming Nolan for being a control freak over a character that's bigger than he is.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

And where did anyone say that Nolan had any power to remove Batman from a JLA film? No one did. People are just commenting on the boderline childish behavior nolans camp is reported to have...especially since it may have had a hand in bale not appearing in the movie.

Nolan doesn't and you are still getting Batman! So Bale is the only one in the universe that can play Batman now?

We're not getting Bale. That's the issue here.


Which oddly enough, is a different tone from what he's been hinting at before. I'm sure it's no coincidence this was after JL exploded into the rumorville with Talia and such. Nolan had already gotten to him by then.


As Sanchez noted, it was originally planned to be a single continuity, including Bale and Routh. When Nolan stepped in, that's when things were jumbled and WB was forced to make it a different continuity.

I was personally fine with having seperate timelines, but now that I know what could have been, it irks me that an ideal plan for a single DC Universe was ruined.

See above. And I'll take what Bale said firsthand over hints and insinuations from secondhand sources.

 

[Steyin]

I don't blame Nolan at all, I blame the WB for rushing this. I really feel that this film should have been started after TMOS and the Batman series concludes. I still am not confident in the script/story and really have no interest in the film at this time. This has the potential to be an epic film, but even more so when the time is taken to craft it to its fullest means, and I don't think that it can be achieved by 2009. But that's just my two cents.

 

[Crook]

Nolan doesn't and you are still getting Batman! So Bale is the only one in the universe that can play Batman now?

Of course not. But point is, he's been cast, has done good in the role, and the public already accepts him as the new Batman. I'd be fine with another guy, but it seems pointless when this whole debacle could have been avoided.

See above. And I'll take what Bale said firsthand over hints and insinuations from secondhand sources.

Thing is, the the "hints and insinuations" I already mentioned were from Bale himself. It wasn't a rumor/report, it was directly from Bale himself when asked about any ensemble projects (whether it be B/S or JL).

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Thing is, the the "hints and insinuations" I already mentioned were from Bale himself. It wasn't a rumor/report, it was directly from Bale himself when asked about any ensemble projects (whether it be B/S or JL).

So Bale originally said he wanted to appear in JL? I have never read him say that but I would love to be proven wrong.

 

[unknowndarkness]

I don't blame Nolan at all, I blame the WB for rushing this..

Exactly.


Nolan and Bale are simply echoing our sentiments that now its not the time for a JL movie.

The script may be good but this production and casting rushjob is turning into a complete joke.

 

[Crook]

So Bale originally said he wanted to appear in JL? I have never read him say that but I would love to be proven wrong.

Way back in the BB days, he was asked about BVS, and he said that he's contracted for 2 Batfilms, and then a third batfilm or an ensemble.

Also, earlier in the year he was asked about JL, and his response was that he definitely wouldn't count it out, because when he's old and gray he'll probably be running around in the tights with other guys performing for little kids. A joke obviously, but wasn't remotely a decline at any sort of project.

Back then, JL was nothing but a fanboy wish, so I didn't really pay no mind to it. Had I known we'd be here, I'd have saved the interview link. You know me, I wouldn't lie about this.

 

[Wally West]

I don't blame Nolan at all, I blame the WB for rushing this. I really feel that this film should have been started after TMOS and the Batman series concludes. I still am not confident in the script/story and really have no interest in the film at this time. This has the potential to be an epic film, but even more so when the time is taken to craft it to its fullest means, and I don't think that it can be achieved by 2009. But that's just my two cents.

I see your point...but as much as I've hated WB for the way it's handled DC in the past...this time they're actually giving me what I want - a JLA film, and they wanted to do it right. Yes the ideal thing would definately have been to have waited, but SR should have been huge, and it wasn't, and that changed everything.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Way back in the BB days, he was asked about BVS, and he said that he's contracted for 2 Batfilms, and then a third batfilm or an ensemble.

Also, earlier in the year he was asked about JL, and his response was that he definitely wouldn't count it out, because when he's old and gray he'll probably be running around in the tights with other guys performing for little kids. A joke obviously, but wasn't remotely a decline at any sort of project.

Back then, JL was nothing but a fanboy wish, so I didn't really pay no mind to it. Had I known we'd be here, I'd have saved the interview link. You know me, I wouldn't lie about this.

Haha, ok, fair enough. And yes, I do remember him making that comment about being old and gray and running around in tights. But the man could have changed his mind or gave a more firm answer without being brainwashed by Nolan. t:

 

[Steyin]

I see your point...but as much as I've hated WB for the way it's handled DC in the past...this time they're actually giving me what I want - a JLA film, and they wanted to do it right. Yes the ideal thing would definately have been to have waited, but SR should have been huge, and it wasn't, and that changed everything.

I agree. I enjoyed SR, but it just wasn't what it needed to be; instead it became fuzzled and set up unnecessary plots. Its really a shame how one thing/film can affect a whole chain of elements that in the end would make up something that was meant to be well conceived and structured. We need a time machine.

 

[Wally West]

I don't think Nolan brain washed him. He threw a fit, and Bale obviously saw that working on the film might create problems between the two. It put him in an akward situation, and he went with his director over the studio.

 

[The Batman]

Nolan doesn't and you are still getting Batman! So Bale is the only one in the universe that can play Batman now?

No one said that either. But when Bale was an option and its taken away for foolish reasons people have the right to be disappointed. You act as if we're calling for somebody's head

 

[ZIPBAGS]

How cool would it be if Warner was able to convince Bale to do JL. Would be a shock to all here and elsewhere on the net.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

No one said that either. But when Bale was an option and its taken away for foolish reasons people have the right to be disappointed. You act as if we're calling for somebody's head

Nah, no one is calling for anyone's head, except me! I'm calling for Singer's head!! LOL I blame him because if he would have delivered a mega blockbuster Superman film then WB would not have panicked and gone into this JL frenzy. They would have stuck with the franchise for its 2009 followup, continue with Batman and then when those trilogies were completed we could have received a JL movie with both Bale and Routh!!

 

[Wally West]

Nah, no one is calling for anyone's head, except me! I'm calling for Singer's head!! LOL I blame him because if he would have delivered a mega blockbuster Superman film then WB would not have panicked and gone into this JL frenzy. They would have stuck with the franchise for its 2009 followup, continue with Batman and then when those trilogies were completed we could have received a JL movie with both Bale and Routh!!

I'm not calling for Singer's head...he's a good director. He just took Superman in the wrong direction. JLA would have been a great way to showcase Routh in the role, without addressing the baggage left from questionable storylines in SR. It's so unfortunate things didn't work out.

 

[The Batman]

Nah, no one is calling for anyone's head, except me! I'm calling for Singer's head!! LOL I blame him because if he would have delivered a mega blockbuster Superman film then WB would not have panicked and gone into this JL frenzy. They would have stuck with the franchise for its 2009 followup, continue with Batman and then when those trilogies were completed we could have received a JL movie with both Bale and Routh!!

I wish SR were a better movie too, because now we're either getting yet another superman continuity in a reboot in additon to the SV, Singer, and JL continuites we already have this decade, or we might not get one for quite a while

 

[Manosman]

I don't think Nolan brain washed him. He threw a fit, and Bale obviously saw that working on the film might create problems between the two. It put him in an akward situation, and he went with his director over the studio.

this is all speculation, bale said he wouldnt rule out doing jl or something similar, but he never said he'd be willing to do it during nolan's bat franchise. Maybe once wb wanted to do jl now, bale was like yeah no thanks, i'd do it after our batfilms are done, which would make sense right? but now wb is going ahead with it, instead of waiting to do it later, and everyone is crying about the nolan camp crying, we actually dont know anything for sure, maybe bale feels the same way nolan does, and didnt he even say something about jl should wait for them to finish, so lets not just bash nolan here, its like you make a really cool model airplane and bring it to school and its awesome and new, and different, most the kids of love it, then some other kid comes in with a very similar airplane, and even has the same type of paint job, not exact but similar, and they already knew all about your plane, how would you feel? haha sorry bad example!

 

[Crook]

this is all speculation, bale said he wouldnt rule out doing jl or something similar, but he never said he'd be willing to do it during nolan's bat franchise. Maybe once wb wanted to do jl now, bale was like yeah no thanks, i'd do it after our batfilms are done, which would make sense right?

There's no difference in doing JL later, and doing it now. Either way, it would be Bale playing Batman. And it's not like Miller would be telling the same story as Nolan (clearly it isn't), so I do not get this whole "interference" argument. Bale would have been the only one transitioning into the other franchise. Now if Miller had wanted Ledger and Caine, then maybe I'd understand....