Why Can't DC Get it right? - Part 1

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Iron Man 2 was much worse than the first (which was an instant classic), but I think calling it outright bad is just not being fair. Structurally, the film is pretty logical and cut-and-dry; it just isn't particularly interesting or clever. It's very much just killing time until the Avengers, but it's a perfectly functional movie.
 
Cannes: Andy Serkis Says His Jungle Book Will Be Scary and ‘Quite Dark’
Jada Yuan said:
When Jon Favreau's The Jungle Book came out earlier this year and won glowing reviews and staggering box office receipts, many wondered what the point was of Andy Serkis directing his own version of the Rudyard Kipling book for Warner Bros. Yes, it's got a great cast including Cate Blanchett and Benedict Cumberbatch, and Planet of the Apes veteran Serkis is a motion-capture pioneer, but what can it bring to the table that Favreau's didn't already? We put that question to Serkis at the Vanity Fair/Chopard party, held in honor of the Cannes Film Festival.

"Ours is for a slightly older audience," Serkis noted, though it will blend live action and computer graphics in a similar fashion. "It's a PG-13, more a kind of Apes movie, a slightly darker take, closer to Rudyard Kipling's." Serkis said that movies these days are too cautious when it comes to children. "Which is wrong," said Serkis. "It’s great to scare kids in a safe environment because it’s an important part of development, and we all loved to be scared as kids, so we shouldn’t overly protect them."

"Kids are so sophisticated," he continued, "and that is why our Jungle Book is quite dark. ... It’s a story of an outsider, someone who is trying to accept the laws and customs of a particular way of living and then has to adapt to another culture, a human culture, which of course he should be able to adapt to, because this is what he is. So it’s about two different species and their laws and customs, and neither are entirely right."
 
Not quite sure what that has to do with DC.
 
^ I'm gonna guess two things.

1) for some reason WB likes dark films. Seriously at some point they're going to be back a radio programs.
2) the bros warner can't seem to stop copying the house of mouse with "edgy" films
 
Getting it right is a matter of opinion. To me they have got it right. I can't agree there that they have stuffed up. They are just changing positions. Changes happen all the time.
 
The majority opinion is they haven't gotten it right, which is why it's such a big issue.
 
You were against bvs from the start anyway. So I'm not surprised you hated it.

Ignorance is bliss. I was never against it from the start, and I challenge you to dig up some posts of mine that prove otherwise. I was against the idea of shoehorning Batman into Superman's sequel. But I wanted the movie to be good. Last thing Batman needs is another crap movie attached to his name after getting his good name back with the TDK trilogy.

FYI that has nothing to do with what I said to you. You come in here telling us this is all a matter of opinion. As though that somehow invalidates this thread when the majority don't think DC are getting it right. But then what can I expect from someone who thinks people didn't like Terminator Genisys just because James Cameron didn't make it; http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=32630213&postcount=29

Or if BvS wasn't in your top 3 anticipated movies of the year then you don't know anything about entertainment; http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=32630163&postcount=19

Your post history is a fountain of rude ignorance.
 
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You were against bvs from the start anyway. So I'm not surprised you hated it.

Look at the fallout of BvS. The overtly negative critical reaction, the record-setting box office drop, the restructuring of WB's DC film division, the complete radio silence from the studio, the soured fanbase, I could keep going.
"Getting it right" isn't a matter of opinion when nothing appears to be going WB's way. It's fine if you loved BvS, but don't pretend that you're not in the minority.
 
Look at the fallout of BvS. The overtly negative critical reaction, the record-setting box office drop, the restructuring of WB's DC film division, the complete radio silence from the studio, the soured fanbase, I could keep going.
"Getting it right" isn't a matter of opinion when nothing appears to be going WB's way. It's fine if you loved BvS, but don't pretend that you're not in the minority.

Just to keep things in perspective WB is doing fine - in 2015 it had a number of commercially and critically successful films (e.g. Mad Max Fury Road) .

The problem is that it's last two DC comic based films have been disappointing from a critical standpoint (and in B v S 's case commerical underperformers).

However, this comes on the heels of arguably the best superhero trilogy ever ( sorry folks, while TWS and CW are amazing films we can hardly say Cap's films are a trilogy - but there's a whole thread to fight that out in, so we'll leave it there).

I'm glad to hear there's a shake-up going on. At the end of the day these are movies we're talking about and movies are entertainment.....which means that they should be entertaining, I mean hell they're not making documentaries here.

IMO the problem is that B v S wasn't entertaining- and that's what we want with out cbms, we want to be entertained. Don't get me wrong there there were some good bits to it, but it wasn't sufficiently entertaining to draw in the repeat viewers.

I mean, sure maybe Guardians of the Galaxy is light and fluffy in comparison
(not that I think B v S was a particularly deep movie, and anyone who says it was, well .... I disagree) BUT these are comic book movies we're talking about, so really it's not incredibly deep material to start off with. It's not an adaptation of Tolstoy or Hemingway or great works of literature, it's freakin' comic books on the big screen. As such, cbm's taking themselves too seriously is a huge mistake, if they sacrifice entertainment value.

Sure the Dark Knight was a gritty, dark movie but it was incredibly entertaining too !

So it's fine for GOTG to be a bit light and fluffy (although there's some pretty dark stuff in that film, like genocide !) because of the very subject material and sub-genre, as long as it's entertaining.

Why can't DC get it right ? Well, to build on that rambling mess I typed above someone at WB/DC has forgotten that they need to make their films entertaining - via good storytelling.

I mean a film with Batman and Superman in it should be incredibly easy to make, because all you need is a decent story (it doesn't even have to be deep or complicated) told via reasonable (not even good) storytelling.

Do I want DC films to be the same as Marvel's. No, not really (although CW was amazing, DC could learn a thing or two there about making what should be an overstuffed film feel smooth and effortless.

Sadly, I think they need to move on from Snyder. He's given it a good go (and I chalk his relative success with Watchmen up to closely following the source material - although I did like the changed ending, it made more sense than the giant space squid) but when he went off source material (and besides taking visual inspiration from DKR, plus some lines and some neat homages to famous images/panels, other than that he really did go waaayyy far away from what DKR was all about).
But now it's time to put the storytelling in someone else's hands, once they do that, maybe things will start to look up for DC films.
 
Look at the fallout of BvS. The overtly negative critical reaction, the record-setting box office drop, the restructuring of WB's DC film division, the complete radio silence from the studio, the soured fanbase, I could keep going.
"Getting it right" isn't a matter of opinion when nothing appears to be going WB's way. It's fine if you loved BvS, but don't pretend that you're not in the minority.

I got what I wanted and don't care what happens behind the scenes. I don't make money off these films so why does it matter how much it made?
They will still make more. So its irrelevant how much it makes.
It will end up on my shelf and the merchandise will always be available no matter what. Thats what a fan does. He buys the films and the merchandise no matter what the critics say or what it made theatrically.
 
Ignorance is bliss. I was never against it from the start, and I challenge you to dig up some posts of mine that prove otherwise. I was against the idea of shoehorning Batman into Superman's sequel. But I wanted the movie to be good. Last thing Batman needs is another crap movie attached to his name after getting his good name back with the TDK trilogy.

FYI that has nothing to do with what I said to you. You come in here telling us this is all a matter of opinion. As though that somehow invalidates this thread when the majority don't think DC are getting it right. But then what can I expect from someone who thinks people didn't like Terminator Genisys just because James Cameron didn't make it; http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=32630213&postcount=29

Or if BvS wasn't in your top 3 anticipated movies of the year then you don't know anything about entertainment; http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=32630163&postcount=19

Your post history is a fountain of rude ignorance.

My post are full of honest and real views. It is a matter of opinion because to ME they got it right and why should I care with what happens behind the scenes or box office or some critics view. I view it through my eyes and views and form my own opinions.
They are still making more movies and always will. It will be on my shelf and there will always be merchandise no matter how much it made at the box office. I'm a realist and don't care about anything I can't change. Who cares if people didn't like it. Sorry for them but I loved it and I'm excited for the future.
Batman trumps everything for me no matter what is released and I love terminator genisys because its a perfect 3rd movie to the first 2. Even James Cameron said so.
 
I love terminator genisys because its a perfect 3rd movie to the first 2. Even James Cameron said so.

I'm sorry, you must be making that up, surely?

Genisys was cinematic pigswill, and Cameron came out with that crap just to help promote the movie. I can almost (almost) understand someone defending aspects of BvS, because there are a few things about it that have merit, but to claim Genisys was a perfect third Terminator movie?

Were you a big fan of Catwoman, too? Transformers 2? Got a nice big Battlefield Earth poster on your wall and a Batman & Robin duvet cover?
 
The good news for people who like bad movies is that there will always be bad movies. I would just like it if DC strived for something higher.

"TDKT excluded of course"
 
I think batfreakforever needs to change his name to badmoviefreakforever.
 
The good news for people who like bad movies is that there will always be bad movies. I would just like it if DC strived for something higher.

"TDKT excluded of course"

True.

Just to keep things in perspective WB is doing fine - in 2015 it had a number of commercially and critically successful films (e.g. Mad Max Fury Road) .

I was under the impression that WB was in pretty dire financial straits. They've had a number of high-profile stinkers recently, BvS being the most recent, with no real sure-fire winners in sight. So no, I don't think you can say that WB is doing fine.

I got what I wanted and don't care what happens behind the scenes. I don't make money off these films so why does it matter how much it made?
They will still make more. So its irrelevant how much it makes.
It will end up on my shelf and the merchandise will always be available no matter what. Thats what a fan does. He buys the films and the merchandise no matter what the critics say or what it made theatrically.

So you're saying that unless someone buys the films and merchandise, they're not a fan? That's nonsense. I'm overtly critical of BvS and MoS because I'm a fan - I feel these characters deserve far better, and I'm clearly not alone in this.
You should care about it's box office performance and what happens behind the scenes because the future of the DC franchise depends entirely upon it.
 
My post are full of honest and real views. It is a matter of opinion because to ME they got it right and why should I care with what happens behind the scenes or box office or some critics view. I view it through my eyes and views and form my own opinions.
They are still making more movies and always will. It will be on my shelf and there will always be merchandise no matter how much it made at the box office. I'm a realist and don't care about anything I can't change. Who cares if people didn't like it. Sorry for them but I loved it and I'm excited for the future.
Batman trumps everything for me no matter what is released and I love terminator genisys because its a perfect 3rd movie to the first 2. Even James Cameron said so.

Your posts are ignorant and often insulting. What you're saying is exactly what you're trying to devalue other people for saying. Most other people don't like what DC is doing. It's not working for them. So why do you think you coming in here and crowing about how this is all opinion and then turning around and telling us DC is working ok for you makes your minority opinion any more valid?

You also just admitted you're blindly biased. You said Batman trumps everything for you no matter what is released. Which means regardless of the quality, you'll automatically favor Batman, even when he's in awful movies just because it's Batman. How can you expect opinions like that to be taken seriously, or even believe they are good valid opinions. You must be kidding yourself.

Saying who cares if people didn't like it is really funny coming from you since you spend your time here trying to lecture others about what they think is wrong. Saying stuff like if BvS wasn't in your top 3 anticipated movies then you don't know entertainment. Who the hell are you to tell anyone what is entertainment? What made you the authority of what is entertaining to someone?

You got so hot under the collar about it they put you on probation for it a few weeks ago. You clearly care what other people think, that's why you get worked up about it. It annoys you when people criticize what you like. You should be used to it by now given some of the terrible movies you're a fan of.
 
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I got what I wanted and don't care what happens behind the scenes. I don't make money off these films so why does it matter how much it made?
They will still make more. So its irrelevant how much it makes.
It will end up on my shelf and the merchandise will always be available no matter what. Thats what a fan does. He buys the films and the merchandise no matter what the critics say or what it made theatrically.

So you are a blind fanboy that will buy any product with Batman on it? Cause I got that from your post. I love Batman too, but I hate seeing him in sub-par movies. It has happened too many times in my life time.
 
Just to keep things in perspective WB is doing fine - in 2015 it had a number of commercially and critically successful films (e.g. Mad Max Fury Road)

I'm not sure Mad Max actually broke even in the box office (150M budget vs. 378M BO), though it did do very well on home video.
 
I got what I wanted and don't care what happens behind the scenes. I don't make money off these films so why does it matter how much it made?
They will still make more. So its irrelevant how much it makes.
It will end up on my shelf and the merchandise will always be available no matter what. Thats what a fan does. He buys the films and the merchandise no matter what the critics say or what it made theatrically.

I'd argue anyone who approves of Batman's characterisation in BvS really isn't a Batman fan. At least not a long term reader of the comics, anyway.

And perchance have you heard the phrase 'a fool and his money are soon parted' before?
 
Some of you people come across as that you can never enjoy anything. Always have a problem with a product. Always something to nit pick. So your saying DC. Jeff johns. Zac Snyder and Ben Affleck don't understand Batman (who are also batman readers) because how he was done in BvS. It was their movie. They did it. And you say that how can anyone be a fan of batman in bvs isn't a batman fan?
BS.
 
I'm sorry, you must be making that up, surely?

Genisys was cinematic pigswill, and Cameron came out with that crap just to help promote the movie. I can almost (almost) understand someone defending aspects of BvS, because there are a few things about it that have merit, but to claim Genisys was a perfect third Terminator movie?

Were you a big fan of Catwoman, too? Transformers 2? Got a nice big Battlefield Earth poster on your wall and a Batman & Robin duvet cover?

Cameron said genisys is the real 3rd movie. I liked it and I agree. I would take Camerons word over anyone else anyday. Its his creation. He understands it more than anyone else.
I was a fan of Batman and Robin as a child and now as an adult I watch it sometimes but it not my preferred version of Batman.
I've seen and own Catwoman and yes its bad. Battlefield earth I can't remember much of that movie but have seen it.
And I do own Transformers 2 on blu ray but haven't watched it in years. Its ok. Its a Michael Bay film who I am a fan of.
 
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