Why Can't DC Get it right? - Part 1

[Loki882]

Its been a massive success for Marvel and gives audiences something that they've never seen before. The only difference between Marvel in DC is that Marvel's characters were meant to be part of a shared universe since the companies founding, whereas DC's weren't. It can still work, you just need to be careful.

 

[Aztec]

I find the "one universe" idea, with its accompanying necessity for stylistic uniformity and cross-selling of licenses, to be very unattractive. In my opinion, it leads to extremely boring and samey films. I wouldn't say DC/WB is doing anything wrong in exploiting properties at a relatively even pace.

Wow I need to see your time machine because you clearly wrote this in 2007.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Like it or not, the Universe ideas works for Marvel, and now they have 2 hugely successful franchises (Iron Man, The Avengers), and 2 successful franchises with potential (Captain America and Thor), and Marvel is going to be seeking to add to those numbers with Guardians, Ant-Man, and Doctor Strange at least, branching out their Universe.

It may be not be a sprint, but it hasn't looked as good for DC.

 

[regwec]

Wow I need to see your time machine because you clearly wrote this in 2007.

Nope. Subsequent events have left me bored to tears.

 

[GhostPoet]

will DC ever get it right? Well, they hired Afflick as Batman...so no...no they won't.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

I will never understand how it's a great thing for Marvel to have a unified universe but it's a bad thing for WB and DC to do it.

Because trying to emulate what Marvel achieved while ignoring what it took to make it succeed to begin with is just begging for disaster.

 

[Loki882]

They just made a fantastic decision by hiring Affleck to play Batman. If WB is really smart, they'll have him co-write the movie as well.

 

[Docker2.0]

I like the move as well. Marvel seems to have a lot of A list actors working for them. I didn't think DC would have any left to work for them. Good move by DC/WB.

 

[dark_b]

last year there was a big rumor that WB wants Affleck to direct JL and also star as batman. today he is batman.

lets make this short. Affleck is testing how it would be in this big DC universe. so he will first star as batman in the superman/batman movie. if he will like the direction he will direct JL. boom. accept it today so that it will be easier in 3 years.

 

[Blake II]

last year there was a big rumor that WB wants Affleck to direct JL and also star as batman. today he is batman.

lets make this short. Affleck is testing how it would be in this big DC universe. so he will first star as batman in the superman/batman movie. if he will like the direction he will direct JL. boom. accept it today so that it will be easier in 3 years.

If he doesn't come back to play Batman in Justice League then the movie will fail.

 

[blalex620]

Man, DC fans are a weird bunch.

That being said, WB is making a good choice with this WF film. Is it the right choice, only time will tell. At the moment thought it's a pretty good one because a duo film can only work with these two characters at the moment.

Here's the thing: Nolan's Batman will only have been completed three years prior by time the WF film comes out. And trust me people will still be watching it in 2015. Therefore, everything about Batman will still be fresh in people's minds. Introducing a new seasoned Batman in a MoS sequel makes sense because people won't need another origin story for him. With Nolan's name almost sure to be attached on the film during marketing people will automatically make the association with his Batman trilogy which works. People will get over the fact that theirs a new actor in the suit just like they did in the previous Batman films.

The next step is to get a WW film rolling. As much as people want to say WB shouldn't compete with Marvel they're in the business of making movies to make money. And anything dealing with money will bring competition which, when handled correctly, makes for a better performance on both sides. So yes, WB should get a WW film rolling before Marvel can get their female hero film going if they want to step into the game a little more. If Marvel continues to be the first ones to do things people will start looking at WB as just an imitation of Marvel.

Now I'm not saying they need to rush these things. Not at all. But, they do need to start planning. Marvel just announced they have plans for movies all the way up until 2021. WB barely knows what they're going to order for lunch tomorrow let alone have a business plan for the next 8 years. If WB stopped footing around and by the end of the year got a treatment that worked and started shopping for directors they could get a WW film out by 2016.

 

[blalex620]

This is my idea of how WB should handle their DCCU.

Step 1: Tell Goyer, the presumed writer of the JL script, he has 2 months to figure out which characters are going to be members of the JL.

Step 2: It's absolute that at least Wonder Woman will be in it. By the end of this year they get a treatment and first draft of a script and director attached to the film. By middle/end of summer 2014 have their WW cast. By end of 2014, beginning of 2015 begin filming the movie. Release date April, possibly May 2016.

Step 3: Find and tap an actor who is willing to play the Flash in his own TV show and star in the JL film too. This way even with no lead-in film the Flash tv show will presumably have at least 2 seasons to flesh out the character and mythos. Get that rolling for 2014 season.

Step 4: At the same time as the Wonder Woman film is getting made do the exact same thing for one other JL member. This could presumably be either Aquaman or Green Lantern. Get this film done in time for either summer 2016 i.e. June or possibly July maybe even August or November 2016. Either way have this film ready for a 2016 release too.

Step 5: Have every member of the JL cast at least during the production of MoS 2 that way they can tease or even cameo at least one of the characters. Have the script done by the end of production of MoS 2 so around end of 2014. This'll be around the same time the 2016 films will be going into production. When production ends for the 2016 films, around end of 2015 for WW possible beginning of 2016 for the other film start production on JL. Start filming around March of 2016. Have the film ready for a summer 2017 release.

This whole plan hinges on WB getting off their a** and actually start making their moves now. This plan allows them the opportunity to have solo films or shows for pretty much every member therefore effectively not making the film feel rushed. Plus just like Marvel the pay off will be huge. Now, with there being two characters for the second 2016 slot one of them will be left out. My idea is that make the character a member in JL and only briefly touch on his mythos in the film. This would allow them to save the origin story for after JL or they could even go full on continuation and just touch on the origin in more of a flashback style. This would also give that film the boost in audience it may need, especially if the film is Aquaman.

 

[regwec]

I think it's probably better to work out what a JL movie would be about, before you settle on a character roster.

I hope it doesn't happen, anyway.

 

[Blake II]

Poor DC.

Lol, just lol.

 

[blalex620]

I think it's probably better to work out what a JL movie would be about, before you settle on a character roster.

I hope it doesn't happen, anyway.

Not really, not in the JL's case. A first JL movie would only consist of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, Aquaman, Martian the Manhunter, Cyborg (New 52). More than likely we'll only get 6 members maybe possibly 7. It wouldn't be difficult to figure out which members you'll want in the movie and then write the script around them seeing as their aren't that many members to chose from in the beginning.

 

[regwec]

Poor DC.

Lol, just lol.

Poor adult Marvel fans.

 

[Red Mask]

Poor obsessed fans.

 

[blalex620]

Poor adult Marvel fans.

Marvel fans are pretty happy right now. And at the end of the day that's all that matters. It's DC fans who are pretty upset that WB can't get their act together. I'm a Marvel comic fan first and foremost but I grew up on JL and JLU and Batman and Superman and Batman Beyond and Teen Titans and Static Shock and other DC cartoons. I want to see WB get their s*** together as much as any DC comics fan. You say poor adult Marvel fans but it's adult DC fans who are making petitions to the president to make it illegal for Ben Affleck to play Batman. Now which fan group sounds a little sad?

DC is finally taking steps to get a shared universe going which is what the majority of fans and the general audience want to see and you guys complain and petition against one casting choice? Like seriously? WB finally decides to give the world the film fans have always wanted and people complain and say it's going to suck because Superman won't be the better hero in it. You sound as juvenile as people who hate that Sony won't give up the rights to Spider-Man. It's like nothing you do will please the fans. But yet, you look down on Marvel fans...

 

[regwec]

I dunno. I am a happy DC fan, delighted that DC movies aren't targeted at the under sevens. If we can both be happy with our respective lots, then all is right with the world.

 

[blalex620]

I dunno. I am a happy DC fan, delighted that DC movies aren't targeted at the under sevens. If we can both be happy with our respective lots, then all is right with the world.

Can you make a statement that doesn't involve putting down Marvel films? Both companies are going for two different styles of films that work for their characters. You may not like the Marvel style of films but sheesh do you have to put them down consistently.

 

[regwec]

Oh, sorry, I thought you were doing just the same to WB's effort.

Edit: Oh, you edited your post. Cunning.

 

[blalex620]

Oh, sorry, I thought you were doing just the same to WB's effort.

Edit: Oh, you edited your post. Cunning.

I don't put WB down because I don't like their films. They just need to get their stuff together. I love DC characters too and MoS actually made me like it's version of Superman. I want WB to stop messing around and find a creative team with a vision for the universe. I hope that that's what Synder, Goyer, Nolan and Cavill and now Affleck are doing at the moment.

What DC is doing with their characters works for their characters. Taking these god-like beings and placing them into our world is a very entertaining thing to watch. I also love how Marvel has taken the opposite approach and have forgone realistic for a more comic book brought to film style of movies. Yes they may be targeted as family movies but they are in no way juvenile.

I can accept that you don't like Marvel films, that's perfectly in your right not to. It just makes you look like a *****e when you bad mouth Marvel in every other post.


On a different note, I think WB might be finally getting it together. They've decided to make their universe more connected than Marvel's apparently. If I'm not mistaken the new 52 is a lot more of a connected universe than ever before (I could be wrong I don't read the comics it's just what I've summarized from people). They could be possibly using the new 52 as a basis for the DCCU. Apparently they want their characters to show up in each others film on a consistent basis unlike how Marvel is trying to keep their solo films separate. This could potentially be a great idea. The only problem I can foresee with it is that unless done correctly the characters could feel shoehorned into movies that aren't their own. From the sounds of it however, WB is planning movies for characters other than Batman and Superman which is the step in the right direction.

This is all from an exclusive this website got with their DC source though I will say their source tends to be pretty reliable. http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/co...erman-matt-damon-aquaman-mark-strong-sinestro

 

[regwec]

Ok. Your original (unedited) post indicated a slightly different message, ie "DC should do what Marvel did". If that isn't the case, then we see eye to eye.

 

[blalex620]

Oh, well in that case my bad that wasn't my intended message. The shared universe idea is a good one that I don't have a problem with DC doing too. That's the only thing the two studios should have in common. WB's current style of telling DC characters is perfect and I like that both studios have two different distinct styles of portraying their characters. It makes it interesting because now people can legitimately have the age old discussion of which characters/movies are better WB/DC or Marvel. I personally love competition, albeit friendly competition that sparks creativeness.

One thing though, if Marvel is able to launch their female character movie first that might possibly be the end of WB making a name for themselves in the superhero film scene. While there have been attempts to make female character movies with both company's characters, whoever can make the first successful one will go down in the history books. If WB can't take that slot then people are going to start thinking of them as just trying to imitate Marvel's success and not trying to break the mold themselves. And as much as we'd like to believe people won't think this they will. It's the nature of competitive business. So I hope they can get WW out soon or I shudder to think the image they'll have.

 

[Loki882]

There is a report that Affleck has signed on for multiple films (JL possibly).