Why Do Girls Like jerks?

[britrogue]

^^^AMEN BRITROGUE.^^^
amen.
and also ladies, thinking you can take that rough and tough alpha dog dominant ass and make him into a sensitive lover, don't bother.
it doesn't work.
if it's apparent they've got problems when you meet them, you can't change them and believe me, no matter how many times they say "i want to change for you", it doesn't work.
just back out of the room slowly.

so TRUE. And always avoid the ones with issues with their parents. They usually resent the relationship you have with yours.

 

[heypapajinx]

so TRUE. And always avoid the ones with issues with their parents. They usually resent the relationship you have with yours.

ooo ooo ooooOOO!O!
and avoid the mommas boys.
esPECIALLY if they were raised by a single mother.
they seem to have especially strange mother issues.

 

[Paradoxium]

I don't even understand half of it, it sounds like zen bullcrap supported by this testosterone mumbo-jumbo.

Basically to sum it up, if you want to get women: pump weights. Raise your testosterone levels. You take steroids to raise your testosterone levels, while lifting weights will have a similar affect...it will be so negilible no one would take note. Also weight training has zero affect on your personality unless weight training is the focus and not getting girls.

WEIGHT TRAINING AND EXERCISE WILL NOT GET YOU GIRLS.

Lets review
Justin Timberlake: Scrawny, but toned
Guy with two hawt chicks at Henry's last Night: F***ing obese.
Style and Mystery (PUAs): Scrawny as all hell.
Kieth Richards and Mick Jagger: Bean poles.


The fact that most women find Bodybuilders unattractive should pretty much refute everything Pook says, their testosterone levels are so high it's dangerous.

That's the only reason I lift weights.

I am talking about maximizing your testosterone serum levels without juicing. This can be done if you focus on high volume compound weights like squats/deads/bench/military in short periods. None of that silly isolation stuff. No one is asking you to look like Schwarzenegger.

All the examples don’t prove ****. They are all extremely high paying, genetically high testosterone, and high status males. Most of us are not in this category.

No one said that lifting weights and maximizing testosterone serum levels is a magical solution. But it helps, and every little bit counts. It's a much healthier lifestyle. It gives you energy, drive and a disciplined mindset. This can go a long way in other goals. Moreover if you want a girl who is fit, you won't sound like a hypocrite.

None of you guys really answered the question of this thread. While some touched the tip of it, the answers are not fleshed out. Despite Pook's flaws and eccentricities, he comes up with a better explanation. Jerks happen to embrace their masculinity; he is saying you can do the same without taking up the negative traits. Is that so difficult to understand?

I am familiar with Pickup artist / Speed Seduction industry, they do teach invaluable social skills. I even use some of them. But core reasons behind pickup artists are flawed and shallow. More shallow than a guy who lifts weights or buy flowers to impress women. This post explains it nicely. No pseudo science and much shorter than Pook's "The Secret of the Jerk".

 

[fangrl06]

Girls like jerks, but most women don't. Maybe you can take a little comfort in that.

 

[jaguarr]

Jerks happen to embrace their masculinity; he is saying you can do the same without taking up the negative traits.

I think that's been stated several times in several different ways in this thread, dude. With a lot fewer words and less *********ory writing than Pook, too.

jag

 

[Mr Sparkle]

AHAHAHAHAHA! for a minute I thought "pook's lapdog" was a real user.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

So thats how the guys from bangbus do it.

There is a girl from our school who did that.

 

[Crooklyn]

There is a girl from our school who did that.

Lol, you gotta give us a name.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I am familiar with Pickup artist / Speed Seduction industry, they do teach invaluable social skills. I even use some of them. But core reasons behind pickup artists are flawed and shallow. More shallow than a guy who lifts weights or buy flowers to impress women. This post explains it nicely. No pseudo science and much shorter than Pook's "The Secret of the Jerk".

There is nothing more shallow and desperate than a guy who lifts weights and buys sh** to try to impress women.

Sorry, If I can offer any advice, it's don't go around changing physical attributes for women...it's so stupid it makes my head hurt. Yeah the fat guy I met at the bar was rich in his red banana republic T-shirt, jet black sunglasses, bald head and baggy jeans...especially with me in the 300 dollar jacket standing next to him. Yeah he looked like the rich one. Don't be ridiculous. Embracing your masculity does not mean turning yourself into a personification of a penis like Pook seems to be suggesting. I know countless Bodybuilders who have no girlfriends because they live like monks and between reps and sets at the gym they never bothered to learn social interaction skills...and they have testosterone that makes me look like Shirley Temple, yet I get more women.

Weight training is only a discipline if you pursue it for that reason. Weight training for women is not a discipline, it's forcing yourself into something you otherwise would not do for a superficial goal...which by the way you'll never reach. Same with buying things for women. Spend that money instead on nice clothes for YOU, things you like and then get your game to the point where you don't have to resort to shallowly buying other women drinks and flowers to impress them.

Buying and doing things FOR people is desperate, even in a workplace and between friends. People who buy things for others in place of actual action are sublimating for some inadaquacy they feel....my guess, Pook is very extremely a closeted homosexual who substitutes his feelings for guys with "maximizing his testosterone" (because of course if he does that he won't be gay).

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Lol, you gotta give us a name.

I'll ask my roomate, he knows her.

 

[Crooklyn]

I'll ask my roomate, he knows her.

Please tell me she's talked about it with her friends.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Please tell me she's talked about it with her friends.

I don't know her personally. She is kind of a fat chick though.

 

[Master Chief]

I think that saying we like jerks is an incorrect statement, but you do have a point.
The thing is, women like men who portray themselves in a confident way, and the problem is, these "jerks" are always sweet, charming and fabulous to begin with. It's only after the woman becomes attached that the "jerk" persona becomes visible, by which time the woman is too attached to walk away that easily.
Trust me, I'm talking from personal experience. The truth is, we don't like jerks, it's just that they are the best at what they do, deceiving us into believing that they are something special. We tend to then blame ourselves for them being jerks, believing that it must have been something we did to make them that way. I now understand from bitter experience, that NOTHING gives a human being the right to be in any way, shape or form hateful to another. I've been through hell, and should be the most bitter and twisted person alive, but I refuse to start being crappy to people, just because I've had it happen to me.

A message for the nice guys out there, most women (well, the nice and decent ones anyway) prefer for men to approach them, as they worry about being perceived as a **** if they make the first move. I know you nice guys tend to be a little shy, but please come forward! I'm so sick of only apparently attracting the jerks, and I'd really like to find one of the nicer ones out there.

A message for the ladies who have blamed themselves (or still are) for their Prince Charming becoming a jerk. I don't care what he says, you are not to blame. Trust me when I say he was a jerk to begin with, but kept it covered up because he knew damned well you wouldn't look at him twice if you knew what an arrogant arse he really was.

But it's so hot when a chick makes the moves.

 

[JLBats]

I am talking about maximizing your testosterone serum levels without juicing. This can be done if you focus on high volume compound weights like squats/deads/bench/military in short periods. None of that silly isolation stuff. No one is asking you to look like Schwarzenegger.

All the examples don’t prove ****. They are all extremely high paying, genetically high testosterone, and high status males. Most of us are not in this category.

No one said that lifting weights and maximizing testosterone serum levels is a magical solution. But it helps, and every little bit counts. It's a much healthier lifestyle. It gives you energy, drive and a disciplined mindset. This can go a long way in other goals. Moreover if you want a girl who is fit, you won't sound like a hypocrite.

None of you guys really answered the question of this thread. While some touched the tip of it, the answers are not fleshed out. Despite Pook's flaws and eccentricities, he comes up with a better explanation. Jerks happen to embrace their masculinity; he is saying you can do the same without taking up the negative traits. Is that so difficult to understand?

I am familiar with Pickup artist / Speed Seduction industry, they do teach invaluable social skills. I even use some of them. But core reasons behind pickup artists are flawed and shallow. More shallow than a guy who lifts weights or buy flowers to impress women. This post explains it nicely. No pseudo science and much shorter than Pook's "The Secret of the Jerk".

Oh no, so I turned myself into a jerk for NOTHING?!

 

[Paradoxium]

I think that's been stated several times in several different ways in this thread, dude. With a lot fewer words and less *********ory writing than Pook, too.

jag

Well its my bad for missing out on those posts. I agree his writing is a bit eccentric, but having read up more on his recent stuff (I posted his 2002 writings) he still makes some good points. Albeit sometimes a bit overly long. He is no Jesus.

There is nothing more shallow and desperate than a guy who lifts weights and buys sh** to try to impress women.

Sorry, If I can offer any advice, it's don't go around changing physical attributes for women...it's so stupid it makes my head hurt. Yeah the fat guy I met at the bar was rich in his red banana republic T-shirt, jet black sunglasses, bald head and baggy jeans...especially with me in the 300 dollar jacket standing next to him. Yeah he looked like the rich one. Don't be ridiculous. Embracing your masculity does not mean turning yourself into a personification of a penis like Pook seems to be suggesting. I know countless Bodybuilders who have no girlfriends because they live like monks and between reps and sets at the gym they never bothered to learn social interaction skills...and they have testosterone that makes me look like Shirley Temple, yet I get more women.

Weight training is only a discipline if you pursue it for that reason. Weight training for women is not a discipline, it's forcing yourself into something you otherwise would not do for a superficial goal...which by the way you'll never reach. Same with buying things for women. Spend that money instead on nice clothes for YOU, things you like and then get your game to the point where you don't have to resort to shallowly buying other women drinks and flowers to impress them.

Buying and doing things FOR people is desperate, even in a workplace and between friends. People who buy things for others in place of actual action are sublimating for some inadaquacy they feel....my guess, Pook is very extremely a closeted homosexual who substitutes his feelings for guys with "maximizing his testosterone" (because of course if he does that he won't be gay).

Sorry for what? I agree lifting weights for girls is low, I am not even trying to dispute that.

The whole point of that link I posted is that Speed Seduction is ABOUT changing every action, look and interaction for the girl. Albeit through different means. The average frustrated chump has poor execution in "impressing" girls. The PUA has better execution in "impressing" girls. Its the same flawed principle with different execution. The flaw? It is disingenuous. Such as "eliciting values" she likes that are incongruent with yourself. Pretending to be "less desperate". Telling her what she wants to hear. THIS is even lower (or just as) than lifting weights and buying crazy amounts of gifts (I am not advocating this), you are framing yourself around her world. That's the problem. Guys in this type of frame of mind to me are weak, they do not have any identity.

I said it twice already, maximizing your testosterone is not a magical solution. There are other qualities you have to work on at the same time (i.e. social skills). But I consider it a fundamental pillar if you do it for the right reasons.

 

[Kyalesyin]

Girls like jerks, but most women don't. Maybe you can take a little comfort in that.

Pretty much what I was gonna say. An asshloe is fun to play around with, but you get outta there before the ego takes over. Works the same way with girls, believe it or not. Every other lesbian I run accross say 'I always prefer to play with *****y girls' and its so not fun.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Well its my bad for missing out on those posts. I agree his writing is a bit eccentric, but having read up more on his recent stuff (I posted his 2002 writings) he still makes some good points. Albeit sometimes a bit overly long. He is no Jesus.

Sorry for what? I agree lifting weights for girls is low, I am not even trying to dispute that.

The whole point of that link I posted is that Speed Seduction is ABOUT changing every action, look and interaction for the girl. Albeit through different means. The average frustrated chump has poor execution in "impressing" girls. The PUA has better execution in "impressing" girls. Its the same flawed principle with different execution. The flaw? It is disingenuous. Such as "eliciting values" she likes that are incongruent with yourself. Pretending to be "less desperate". Telling her what she wants to hear. THIS is even lower (or just as) than lifting weights and buying crazy amounts of gifts (I am not advocating this), you are framing yourself around her world. That's the problem. Guys in this type of frame of mind to me are weak, they do not have any identity.

I said it twice already, maximizing your testosterone is not a magical solution. There are other qualities you have to work on at the same time (i.e. social skills). But I consider it a fundamental pillar if you do it for the right reasons.

No, wrong, completely and utterly. Seduction is about selling YOURSELF not someone else, selling someone else is impossible.

Eliciting values simply means finding common ground on which you share value...there is no way an unfit person can elicit the value of being fit to a woman who likes fitness, that's impossible.

Pook essentially, as someone else pointed out, is telling you to act like Wolverine...some cigar smoking ultra badass who is in touch with his masculinity (and in effect comes across as sounding very very gay). "Eliciting Values" is actually very very easy, it's called listening. That is eliciting values. WOW! You though it was making yourself like them or framing yourself to their perfect desires...wrong, you're making yourself the object of their desire, not making the object of their desire you. That is what "nice guys" do, they take some archeatypical man and in their eager to please attitudes attempt to embody that persona.

Playas, or Pick Up Artists as you called them, do in fact the exact opposite. They separate themselves from the group by acting outside the norm. Since when does dressing like a peacock with dark sunglasses, like Mystery, somehow equal the ideal man??? I must have missed that one. In fact Mystery, a former dugeons and dragons Magician, embraced his own "weirdness" such as his pension for magic and used it to get women. He did not mold himself to some hyper testosterone version of male identity which by the way went out with the Roman Empire. Style used things from books he had read, as a writer, to create pick up artist lines like the cube, the envolutionary shift line and others. Tyler Durden created a style he obviously got off of watching Fight Club way to many times, based chiefly on his namesake. Is this seeping through yet.

They are SELLING THEMSELVES not others, like Pook seems to suggest, to get women. They are playing up their strengths and playing down their weaknesses in any given situation...not following some mock routine which in fact don't work that well when used by other people anyways.

 

[terry78]

Pretty much what I was gonna say. An ******* is fun to play around with, but you get outta there before the ego takes over. Works the same way with girls, believe it or not. Every other lesbian I run accross say 'I always prefer to play with *****y girls' and its so not fun.

Only if they're willing to experiment.

 

[ComicChick]

Pook essentially, as someone else pointed out, is telling you to act like Wolverine...some cigar smoking ultra badass who is in touch with his masculinity

i pointed that out.

and in some ways, it's the logan-jean-scott love triangle.

what does she say in the movie? "girls dont marry the bad guy, they marry the good guy or something like that"

and if you wanna bring the testosterone fact that u keep bringing up in it, and keeping with the x-men theme, it's pretty safe to assume that all of them are extremely fit. (i mean, every artist draws them with ripped abs and what not lol)

that said, how many women would really pick wolverine, the one pook says is best?

i know more females who would pick gambit, colossus, cyke or iceman over him.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

i pointed that out.

and in some ways, it's the logan-jean-scott love triangle.

what does she say in the movie? "girls dont marry the bad guy, they marry the good guy or something like that"

and if you wanna bring the testosterone fact that u keep bringing up in it, and keeping with the x-men theme, it's pretty safe to assume that all of them are extremely fit. (i mean, every artist draws them with ripped abs and what not lol)

that said, how many women would really pick wolverine, the one pook says is best?

i know more females who would pick gambit, colossus, cyke or iceman over him.

Also as I have posted, testosterone is nearly fully genetic. You're either born with it in abundance or not. It does not help you get women though.

 

[ComicChick]

Also as I have posted, testosterone is nearly fully genetic. You're either born with it in abundance or not. It does not help you get women though.

i agree.

SB i think you have a much better grasp on the situation than Pook does. maybe u should teach him a few things

 

[ShadowBoxing]

i agree.

SB i think you have a much better grasp on the situation than Pook does. maybe u should teach him a few things

Frankly I think all PUAs are whacky. Or maybe a better way of saying it is that all PUAs are using things that separate them but aren't necessarily useable by everyone. However I think if you broke down every dating books you'd find common concepts and themes. Confidence, smiling, listening, getting people to talk about themselves, trying to make yourself stand out, eye contact...etc.

 

[Turtle-Man]

You don't need to be a jerk, or a bodybuilder. In fact, no woman would date a bodybuilder unless she had a fear of... government spies. You just need to be fit, maybe have some lean muscle.

At least, that's what seems to be working out for me. Be fit, lean, have a good attitude. Appreciate her company in the classiest way possible. Be elegant, and at the same time, be a real person. Don't pretend to be some prince charming, it won't work. Be an elegant person. Promise you won't become too elegant, though, as that would make you a snob.

 

[Paradoxium]

No, wrong, completely and utterly. Seduction is about selling YOURSELF not someone else, selling someone else is impossible.

Selling yourself for what reason? Its about selling yourself for a end result: sex. Its great for sport sex I am not denying it, but in the long term its useless.

Pook essentially, as someone else pointed out, is telling you to act like Wolverine...some cigar smoking ultra badass who is in touch with his masculinity (and in effect comes across as sounding very very gay).

Perhaps in his little eccentric prose yes. But he is not known for that. He tells guys to get their **** together. Financial freedom, good health and build on ambitions. These are the core. Peacocking, social skills are auxiliary stuff.

He is also known for the anti-dump machine. The idea is not to attract women strictly, rather WEED OUT / NEXTING the low interest women (based on their compatibility to your personality).

"Eliciting Values" is actually very very easy, it's called listening. That is eliciting values. WOW! You though it was making yourself like them or framing yourself to their perfect desires...wrong, you're making yourself the object of their desire, not making the object of their desire you. That is what "nice guys" do, they take some archeatypical man and in their eager to please attitudes attempt to embody that persona.

Framing yourself to be their perfect desires is no different to quote you "you're making yourself the object of their desire". Try again.

Playas, or Pick Up Artists as you called them, do in fact the exact opposite. They separate themselves from the group by acting outside the norm. Since when does dressing like a peacock with dark sunglasses, like Mystery, somehow equal the ideal man??? I must have missed that one. In fact Mystery, a former dugeons and dragons Magician, embraced his own "weirdness" such as his pension for magic and used it to get women. He did not mold himself to some hyper testosterone version of male identity which by the way went out with the Roman Empire. Style used things from books he had read, as a writer, to create pick up artist lines like the cube, the envolutionary shift line and others. Tyler Durden created a style he obviously got off of watching Fight Club way to many times, based chiefly on his namesake. Is this seeping through yet.

They are SELLING THEMSELVES not others, like Pook seems to suggest, to get women. They are playing up their strengths and playing down their weaknesses in any given situation...not following some mock routine which in fact don't work that well when used by other people anyways.

These pickup artists teach people how to EMULATE THEIR PERSONALITY. That's how they make money, go pickup some of their works (BTW, heres a list and photos of the major PUAs).

You could argue this is not the same as molding yourself to a women's desire. But at the end of the day, you have no self-identity. You are just pretending to be (or somewhat like) Mystery or Juggler, and their lives are built on the Speed Seduction of women (that's how they make money). But that's not how every men are built. That's the rub. That's the problem.

 

[CyberFaust]

I need a drink