Days of Future Past Why do you think Raven rescued Wolverine?

[Super Jim]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=480257

 

[Majik1387]

Honestly, I think there's a couple of reason she rescued him.
1. He's a mutant. She saved Havok, Ink, Spike, Toad, and maybe she saved other mutants in her mission to get to Trask.
and
2. She may be making her own Brotherhood. Remember before the movies, in the comics and cartoon, Magneto and Mystique were never in the same Brotherhood. Maybe this is the film universe's way of adapting that.

As for why she posed as Stryker, I don't think it was supposed to be a full circle thing that Mystique is the one that had the adamantium bonded to Wolverine. It's too out of character for the film version; she would never have a mutant go under experimentation like that. I think she just posed as Stryker because like he said at the beginning he's from a 'private outfit' or whatever it was called. Showed him as a character with authority that wouldn't get asked too many questions.

 

[mkilban2]

My question is what does 1973 Logan actually remember now? Because during the film he knows he's in his future mind, but now that its been resolved his 1973 mind will be back. All of those relationships he made are pretty much gone, he would basically revert to his mind of waking up in the bedroom right? Similar to how he did when he first saw Stryker and didn't remember Charles/Beast.

That's the only thing that gives me pause even including him in Apoc, outside of making him a mind controlled Horseman as a side character and not a main focus. Why include him in the next outing if he has to meet all these characters again, doesn't seem right.

 

[warhorse78]

That would be absolutely terrible.

Mystique has received more attention in these films than she has in the comics, and to be honest she doesn't deserve it. If Mystique wasn't being played by an Oscar winner, I would have hope that her role wouldn't be that big in the next film(or possibly not included at all) but that's highly unlikely.

I don't think she should have Anything to do with X-Force. Also, Psylocke as part of X-Force? No, Domino is actually an X-Force team member and should be in the X-Force film.

Oscar winners don't mean a damn thing in terms of screen time and focus in these movies. Halle Barry and Anna Paquin say hi.

 

[Figs]

Oscar winners don't mean a damn thing in terms of screen time and focus in these movies. Halle Barry and Anna Paquin say hi.

Paquin won that Oscar yeeeaars ago, I doubt Fox/Singer cared enough in the past few years of making these films. Halle, won an Oscar for a subpar performance and still isn't as huge of a megastar most make her out to be.

Lawrence is in the spotlight right now, bigtime! You really don't think that Fox had some sway to make her version of Mystique more prominent in this film? She's being called America's sweetheart for ****s sake.

Hey, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Which shows that Kinsberg (and the past writers for this series)needs a better grasp of the source material, because Mystique has oddly received more screen time than she deserves when compared to her role and importance in the comics.

 

[Golgo-13]

The whole point of this movie was that things DON'T come full circle. That things have changed. Having it actually be Stryker would have completely gone against that idea.

Having it actually be Stryker at the end would have fed into what Beast said about the ripples in a stream and how they correct themselves, and how things usually happen anyway just in a different way…..

……..that being said, i'm cool with him not getting his skeleton via Stryker. They botched that up in XOW anyway.

 

[danoyse]

My question is what does 1973 Logan actually remember now? Because during the film he knows he's in his future mind, but now that its been resolved his 1973 mind will be back. All of those relationships he made are pretty much gone, he would basically revert to his mind of waking up in the bedroom right? Similar to how he did when he first saw Stryker and didn't remember Charles/Beast.

That's the only thing that gives me pause even including him in Apoc, outside of making him a mind controlled Horseman as a side character and not a main focus. Why include him in the next outing if he has to meet all these characters again, doesn't seem right.

He wouldn't know about any of it. Remember when he came back for a few seconds during the Paris scene, he had no idea what the hell was going on.

The thing I think would be interesting if he does become a Horseman in the next film is that even though he wouldn't remember meeting them all before, Charles certainly would. He'd know what Logan had done for him when they'd met before, and would want to try and save him now, hopefully with his whole new team he has set up by then.

Charles seemed really happy to finally catch up with the Logan he'd met in 1973 at the end of DOFP. Before he realized he was back, Charles also seemed slightly irritated that Logan wasn't in his class, which led me to believe that whatever happened in between, Logan is still a bit of a pain in the ***.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

No, I think the way it ended tells people things are going in a different direction. We know what's up with Stryker, there's no mystery to that. This sets it up for the events of the altered timeline that follows.

Gives things a bit of a cliffhanger.

Oh yeah I can see WHY it was done, I just dont think it should have been. Some things are going to change, yes, but some things wont and shouldnt either. For example, Magneto is still going to be a bad guy.

For me, Wolverine HAS to go through the adamantium bonding experiment no matter what the timeline.

Also, another question,how are they going to get the metal out of Wolverine's body, from the looks of things Magneto got it right in there.

 

[Mikelus]

Hey, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Which shows that Kinsberg (and the past writers for this series)needs a better grasp of the source material, because Mystique has oddly received more screen time than she deserves when compared to her role and importance in the comics.

Simon Kinberg has read the comics, but they are free to change things (like Marvel movies have done too), what matters most is that they deliver like they did with DOFP.

"I had read Age of Apocalypse and most of the appearances of Apocalypse before thinking about the movie, but went back and reread it and I think one of the things that's most exciting about it is the potential for the visual scale of the movie, and so it is a larger story than even Days of Future Past," Kinberg explained. "In Days of Future Past, they're trying to stop something that's not extinction level in the moment, although it could be one day. There's not an immediacy in the plot and this is a plot that actually has extinction level stakes and is even more global than anything we've ever seen before. There's a lot of architecture from the stories that we'll be using. It will be about his character emotionally, you know, like who is he? Not just as a mutant, but as a person."

"The Apocalypse story has a lot of different ways of telling stories," he said. "That was one of the things that I liked about Days of Future Past: Doing a time travel movie where it's not just sending someone back in time, but actually intercutting between the past and the future that we really haven't seen in a movie before. Usually you have somebody go back and stay in the past the whole movie. Apocalypse has some, without getting into detail, as you know from the books, has some innovative, different ways of storytelling also."

http://moviepilot.com/posts/2014/05...ypse-1445786?lt_source=external,manual#!PXWqA

 

[Golgo-13]

Also, another question,how are they going to get the metal out of Wolverine's body, from the looks of things Magneto got it right in there.

Yeah, i was thinking that too. Considering it's just regular metal he was impaled with i guess the fire department, or whomever could simply cut using a blow torch, and then pull it out, piece by piece .

 

[danoyse]

Oh yeah I can see WHY it was done, I just dont think it should have been. Some things are going to change, yes, but some things wont and shouldnt either. For example, Magneto is still going to be a bad guy.

For me, Wolverine HAS to go through the adamantium bonding experiment no matter what the timeline.

Also, another question,how are they going to get the metal out of Wolverine's body, from the looks of things Magneto got it right in there.

In the comics, after Magneto ripped out all of Wolverine's adamantium, Apocalypse was the one who ultimately put it back (as well as brainwash him into one of his horsemen).

So it's GOING to happen. Who's going to do it is the mystery now.

The rebar was all falling out of him when they took him out of the river. Don't know if it was all of it, but it was a lot of it, so it looks like he somewhat healed.

 

[Coconut1214]

Mystique could be recruiting for her own team to rescue mutants. So she could send Wolverine to infiltrate Styker's Weapon X project by volunteering and that's how he gets the adamantium. Or as others said she could be working for Apocalypse and it's his idea.

 

[mkilban2]

He wouldn't know about any of it. Remember when he came back for a few seconds during the Paris scene, he had no idea what the hell was going on.

The thing I think would be interesting if he does become a Horseman in the next film is that even though he wouldn't remember meeting them all before, Charles certainly would. He'd know what Logan had done for him when they'd met before, and would want to try and save him now, hopefully with his whole new team he has set up by then.

Charles seemed really happy to finally catch up with the Logan he'd met in 1973 at the end of DOFP. Before he realized he was back, Charles also seemed slightly irritated that Logan wasn't in his class, which led me to believe that whatever happened in between, Logan is still a bit of a pain in the ***.

Yeah, that scenario that you suggested with him becoming a horseman and not remembering any of them but Charles and the others knowing him is exactly what I'd like to see.

I also JUST realized that the Professor X we see when they show the *new* future is actually McAvoy's professor who knows what went on rather than it just being Stewart if that makes sense haha. Like, that scene means so much more to me now at the end of the film holy crap.

 

[Mutant 77]

I have a question:

Could DOFP Stryker have recruited Logan a bit of time before the DOFP events?

It's not like Stryker said in DOFP: "I do not know that man at all!"
He just freaked out when he watched Logan's bone claws... obviously.

We can pretend he recruited him in 1972, the year before.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Doubtful, Logan would have recognised him when he had the memory loss freakout. That and Stryker would have clearly said something

 

[The Endless]

Yea it seemed Stryker was surprised and intrigued by Wolverine's "ability".

 

[Mutant 77]

Doubtful, Logan would have recognised him when he had the memory loss freakout. That and Stryker would have clearly said something

Are you referring to 1973 Logan when he "awoke" briefly?

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Are you referring to 1973 Logan when he "awoke" briefly?

Yup

 

[Mutant 77]

Yup

I don't remember if 1973 Logan had enough time to "catch a glimpse" of Stryker lying on the floor... all he did was to watch Xavier eye-to-eye...

 

[boreli]

In the comics, after Magneto ripped out all of Wolverine's adamantium, Apocalypse was the one who ultimately put it back (as well as brainwash him into one of his horsemen).

So it's GOING to happen. Who's going to do it is the mystery now.

The rebar was all falling out of him when they took him out of the river. Don't know if it was all of it, but it was a lot of it, so it looks like he somewhat healed.

That's it.

And people should have learned already that movies have to deviate from the original comic books when necessary. We have a new timeline now, so IT IS necessary to the story.

 

[Golgo-13]

The rebar was all falling out of him when they took him out of the river. Don't know if it was all of it, but it was a lot of it, so it looks like he somewhat healed.

I guess his healing factor would push some of it out, as it does with bullets.

 

[Mutant 77]

Hello guys I would like to add to my site this excerpt:

In January 1973, Logan was taking a break from his military duties. He already had spent many years in Vietnam.
Because a mobster was behind him, he embarked on a military campaign in February in order to "get away" from America for a while.
After some months, Victor got berserk and they were condamned. They got him reclused for 2 years. In 1975, Stryker found and freed them.


I have two requests for you:

1- Does you like that? Would it work?
2- Can you please improve the grammar of the excerpt?

THANKS!

 

[Super Jim]

Here is a link to my thread explaining that the reason Mystique saved Logan was so he can be turned into the Horseman Death for the Apocalypse movie.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=480257

Part of that would be giving him the adamantium.

The only question is whether Mystique is already working for Apocalypse during DOFP, or if that will happen in between DOFP and the expected mid-1980's Apocalypse movie.

 

[Mutant 77]

EUREKA!

I tweaked the concept a bit.

1970: Jimmy Logan and Victor Creed fight in Vietnam.
1973 (January): Logan is located in America for a break from his military duties. The "Mobster thing" pushes him to go away.
1973 (February): Logan goes in Vietnam again. Rejoins Creed.
1973-1975: After the firing squad failed to kill them, Logan and Creed are put "in brutal custody". For 2 years.
1975: Stryker recruits them for Team X.
1979: Logan quits Team X.
1985: ORIGINS. Scott is 16 years old or so.
1990: Stryker has no way to track Logan back. Logan starts to wander across the globe. "15 years before X1".
2005: X-Men 1.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

So I saw DOFP again tonight, and zeroed in on that ending with Mystique. Complete 180. I think it's brilliant.

Hear me out. Hank repeats throughout that if you throw a rock in a river, the ripples eventually get corrected, and we see that with Stryker and Logan. There are a ton of hints that Stryker is planning Weapon X, which clearly comes from Trask's work, and is set-up for Weapon X to continue as we saw it in... ahem... Origins.

But at the end, McXavier talks about how throwing enough rocks in the river will eventually change its path, and how the future can always be altered. He says this while we see an immovable truth being played out - Stryker and Logan. As he finishes his line about the future being fluid, the fake-out is revealed. It's a perfect counter-point to what he has just said, it's beautifully understated.

Do I think it should have been Stryker? Yeah probably, Weapon X could have been glossed over and adamantium Wolverine been the norm. But did the fake-out fit the ending? Hell yes