Why does Superman Always Beat The Marvel Heavy Hitters?

[Darthphere]

They can't have him be more powerful under another sun because he's already outrageously powerful under the yellow sun. If it turned out a blue giant somehow made him more powerful, what's to stop him from zipping off to the nearest blue star every time Doomsday or Darkseid shows up? From a story standpoint, you'd want to keep the fights fairly even, but logically, it'd make sense for Superman to want a leg-up, so you'd have to start coming up with contrivances to keep him from finding a blue star all the time.

And you have the Superman Prime story anyway, he just needs to take a bath in the sun.

 

[lowly marvelite]

So, what I'm gathering is that Superman wins for political reasons, not necessarily because he's the most powerful? So far, I haven't seen one explanation, in terms of power, that would explain Superman's "undefeated" record against all Marvel superheros. And in reply to Captain Marvel's having a lot more than the strength of Hercules, the only thing, in terms of CMs powers, I saw him use in a huge giant size 70s comic fight between the two was his ability to fly and his superstrength(there was one inconsequential use of heat vision) and Superman only pulled it off at the end of the book. And that was the Man of Steel tapped out, fighting furiously, and pulling no punches. No kidding. By my estimates there are four Marvel superheros (we're excluding villains and and otherwise cosmic entities and those with dissimilar powers, like Dr. Strange...) that should whip Superman's butt: 1)The Sentry(whose alterego, the Void, effortslessly broke almost every bone in the Hulk's body; I've never seen the Hulk express fear about an opponent before-he did with the Void),2)The Silver Surfer, who not only has no weaknesses, but rivals a very pissed off Hulk in strength if he so chooses, and who recently received a powerup from Galactus, 3) Thor. Many people don't know he is Marvel's strongest hero besides the Sentry. The Hulk has to get angrier. The Surfer has to augment his strength with the power coscmic. We won't even include the belt of strength that doubles his stength or the Odinforce he inherited from his father when he died. 4) The Hulk. Save the Sentry, no one has the Hulk's potential for limitless strength. So, aside political or popularity contests, prove to me that Superman is the toughest. Why did Superman have to take off the kid gloves to beat Captain Marvel, but knocks out the Hulk and Thor without half trying, while Thor, again, on several occasions has beaten Hercules(the Marvel character) on several occasions???

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

No, that's relatively recent and Superman's been pwning up and down on Marvel characters since the crossovers began.

Did you read All Access #1? Cause Venom pretty much rolled all OVER Superman.

 

[Dis]

Its simple. Superman was the first. Marvel owes its entire existance to him. He more than a charcater hes a part of the modern American mythos.

In all actuality if it weren't for Godzilla and those cult favorite movis the entire Superman,Spirderman and so forth and so on wouln't exist.t:

 

[blud_knight]

if superman fought venom i would think the simbiot would ditch whomever it was on, at the thought of adding its powers to superman's

 

[BrianWilly]

Hahahahaha people are so blind, I love it.

An obvious answer to this is that Superman is more popular, yes. But that's not the only answer. The other answer is that Superman is simply more powerful. Period. He's written as more powerful, faster, with more abilities, all the time. In the time period that some of those crossovers were written, Superman was juggling planets and stopping black holes. Even in modern times, he's got the strength to affect planetary orbit.

It's like you people are asking, "Why does Jean Grey always defeat Emma Frost!? That's so odd!" Uh, Jean is more powerful than Emma. That's the way the character is written. And with the possible exception of Thor, Superman is more powerful than most of Marvel's mainstream characters. Unless the character can move planets, Superman is stronger than him. Unless the character can move at near light-speed, Superman is faster than him. I've never...ever...seen a non-cosmic Marvel character who could do either of those things.

Now I'm sure is the moment where someone will go, "Well then he's just too overpowered! It's not realistic! That's stupid!" Uh, say hello to the Sentry, who defines overpowered and unrealistic. He could beat Superman, as every Sentry fan I've ever met constantly boasts.

I don't remember anyone ever having said that Superman would beat Dr. Strange or the Silver Surfer. I don't remember it ever happening either. That would be pretty dumb.

And as anyone could tell you, the reason that Captain Marvel can beat Superman is not necessarily because of his strength and speed, which are slightly lower than Superman's, but because of his magic lightning Shazam trick. If Thor ever thought to use his god-blast, it'd be the same result.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Too bad Superman Returns didn't beat Marvel's cinematic heavy hitters.

Oops...did I just say that?

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Too bad Superman Returns didn't beat Marvel's cinematic heavy hitters.

Oops...did I just say that?

Lol. t:

 

[blud_knight]

^ yeah because Fantastic Four and Spider-man two were sooooo much better

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

^ yeah because Fantastic Four and Spider-man two were sooooo much better

No one said they were "better", just that Marvel's cinematic heavy hitters, (SM and X3,) won at the box office, which is a fact.

 

[PhotoJones]

^ yeah because Fantastic Four and Spider-man two were sooooo much better

spider-man WAS better.

fantastic four...eh, not so much.

 

[TheCaptain22555]

Superman is everyone's daddy, the pioneer. His pedestal extends far greater than any other comic character. Not to mention the strength from Earth's yellow sun. Superman was gangsta before the word gangsta existed.

 

[BrianWilly]

I liked Spider-Man 2.

And I liked Fantastic Four, also...it made me laugh at it.

 

[lowly marvelite]

So, its a matter of popularity; American public perception? Pathetic. Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, Britain, America. People, everyone eventually gets bested. Outdone. Outside of writers bias, strictly in the world of comic book superheros and in terms of their powers, how is Superman more powerful than the four I just mentioned??? Someone give me a rational, reasonable, non-juvenile argument...and please, spare me the Sentry is a Superman rip off argument. Thor, the Hulk and Surfer are in the same ball park as Superman. The Sentry is ridiculously powerful. Who else could go toe to toe with Galactus and stalemate him? And Mr. BrianWilly, The Surfer travels at multiple speeds of light and completely invulneralbe and ,unlike Superman, he has no weaknesses. None.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

So, its a matter of popularity; American public perception? Pathetic. Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, Britain, America. People, everyone eventually gets bested. Outdone. Outside of writers bias, strictly in the world of comic book superheros and in terms of their powers, how is Superman more powerful than the four I just mentioned??? Someone give me a rational, reasonable, non-juvenile argument...and please, spare me the Sentry is a Superman rip off argument. Thor, the Hulk and Surfer are in the same ball park as Superman. The Sentry is ridiculously powerful. Who else could go toe to toe with Galactus and stalemate him? And Mr. BrianWilly, The Surfer travels at multiple speeds of light and completely invulneralbe and ,unlike Superman, he has no weaknesses. None.

dude you are so misinformed that its sad. Has it ever crossed your mind that Superman is just strong. You are complaining so much over stupid stuff.

I could explain this in extreme detail but well I'll wait a while.....

 

[PhotoJones]

dude you are so misinformed that its sad. Has it ever crossed your mind that Superman is just strong. You are complaining so much over stupid stuff.

I could explain this in extreme detail but well I'll wait a while.....

so physical strength wins the fight everytime, eh?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Not really. We only know that he's Superman under a yellow sun and about the same as a normal human when he's under a red sun. We don't know what other suns do to him.

While they may not have explored this in the current age, they did in the the Silver Age. Under an orange sun he was at half power while under a blue sun he was vastly more powerful. His heat vision which was already hotter than the core of the sun was 10,000x more powerful. An Earthman under a blue sun had the same powers that a Kryptonian had under a yellow sun.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Hahahahaha people are so blind, I love it.
An obvious answer to this is that Superman is more popular, yes. But that's not the only answer. The other answer is that Superman is simply more powerful. Period. He's written as more powerful, faster, with more abilities, all the time. In the time period that some of those crossovers were written, Superman was juggling planets and stopping black holes. Even in modern times, he's got the strength to affect planetary orbit.
It's like you people are asking, "Why does Jean Grey always defeat Emma Frost!? That's so odd!" Uh, Jean is more powerful than Emma. That's the way the character is written. And with the possible exception of Thor, Superman is more powerful than most of Marvel's mainstream characters. Unless the character can move planets, Superman is stronger than him. Unless the character can move at near light-speed, Superman is faster than him. I've never...ever...seen a non-cosmic Marvel character who could do either of those things.
Now I'm sure is the moment where someone will go, "Well then he's just too overpowered! It's not realistic! That's stupid!" Uh, say hello to the Sentry, who defines overpowered and unrealistic. He could beat Superman, as every Sentry fan I've ever met constantly boasts.
I don't remember anyone ever having said that Superman would beat Dr. Strange or the Silver Surfer. I don't remember it ever happening either. That would be pretty dumb.
And as anyone could tell you, the reason that Captain Marvel can beat Superman is not necessarily because of his strength and speed, which are slightly lower than Superman's, but because of his magic lightning Shazam trick. If Thor ever thought to use his god-blast, it'd be the same result.

I wish I had the same ability to tune out the posts that say this so I can make this claim too.

And agreed about the Sentry defining just gross amounts of power.

And if Thor used the godblast on Superman, it wouldn't be the same result as Cap. The god blast would KILL Superman. Not just stun or hurt him.

So, its a matter of popularity; American public perception? Pathetic. Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, Britain, America. People, everyone eventually gets bested. Outdone. Outside of writers bias, strictly in the world of comic book superheros and in terms of their powers, how is Superman more powerful than the four I just mentioned??? Someone give me a rational, reasonable, non-juvenile argument...and please, spare me the Sentry is a Superman rip off argument. Thor, the Hulk and Surfer are in the same ball park as Superman. The Sentry is ridiculously powerful. Who else could go toe to toe with Galactus and stalemate him? And Mr. BrianWilly, The Surfer travels at multiple speeds of light and completely invulneralbe and ,unlike Superman, he has no weaknesses. None.

I'd give you a rational, non juvenile argument, buuuuuut I'm getting the feeling you'd label it irrational and juvenile anyway, since pretty much the EXACT reason that Superman has won in every single crossover is due to popularity. Though I kind of like how you put in that country perspective thing when it really doesn't hold any form of bearing in anything. A fragment stray comment.

 

[spider-neil]

^ yeah because Fantastic Four and Spider-man two were sooooo much better

spider-man 2 is MUCH better

FF...er, pass

 

[spider-neil]

the problem I have with superman taking down marvel's heavy hitters is HOW he does it not too bothered THAT he does it

superman has
vision abilities
strength
speed
flight
breath
hearing

and to take down the hulk he...out punches him **YAWN**

he could have flown him at super speed faster than hulk can see, created a vortex to suck the breath out of him, hit him a thounsand times in a second to keep him dizzy, then flwon him into space. game over.
I would have accepted that a hell of a lot more easily then him taking the hulk down with pure strength, that's like superman out running the flash to beat him

and then you have superrman v thor
thor's hammer is based on magic one hit from moljner(sp) and it should be game over so superman should have separated the two (thor and his hammer) then taken him down using all the abilities I mentioned.

like I said it's the HOW not the why.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I never got why people always seem to think Hulk is in his strength range. Hulk doesn't do much that Superman can normally do. Like when the Hulk braced a mountain. Superman, like someone else said, can affect a planets orbit he's that strong.

I really don't see them matching up.

 

[BrianWilly]

so physical strength wins the fight everytime, eh?

In a contest of physical strength? Uh, usually.

And then you factor in speed that is second only to the Flashes, senses thousands of times more acute than Daredevil's, heat vision that rivals the focused intensity of the sun, sub-zero arctic breath, and super-ventriloquism. Don't forget super-ventriloquism.

And Mr. BrianWilly, The Surfer travels at multiple speeds of light and completely invulneralbe and ,unlike Superman, he has no weaknesses. None.

Aaaaand did I or did I not just say that I've never seen a non-cosmic Marvel character do this? Seeing as how the Silver Surfer holds, oh, the Power Cosmic, I consider him a cosmic character. Correct me if I'm wrong.

In fact, did I or did I not just say that I believe Superman couldn't defeat the Surfer? I believe my exact words were "That would be pretty dumb."

 

[Silicon Surfer]

I never got why people always seem to think Hulk is in his strength range. Hulk doesn't do much that Superman can normally do. Like when the Hulk braced a mountain. Superman, like someone else said, can affect a planets orbit he's that strong.

I really don't see them matching up.

True, the Hulk is nowhere near Superman's strength level. The info released by the two companies shows that. Hulk's base strength depending on the incarnation is either the 70 ton range or the 100 ton range. The Byrne reboot set Superman's strength as in excess of the 6 million ton level.

 

[BrianWilly]

But remember, the Hulk becomes more powerful the angrier he gets! So y'know, if he got angry enough, he could move a planet at some point! Or something! Really!

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Or maybe people won't have to feel that Marvel heros just HAVE to be as strong as DC heros.

But there's probably a better chance of Hulk becoming a planet mover.