Why the hate for Wolverine?

[Kurosawa]

How cute, Wolverine fans agreeing with each other. Too bad you still don't know anything about the comics nor do you respect history.

But hey, I feel better knowing that in the end Spider-Man 3 will show all the Wolverine, Fox, and Rothman loyalists how to close a trilogy the right way.

The best revenge will be seeing Wolverine's spin-off movie flop at the box office. When it happens, I'll laugh in your face and tell you "I told you so."

The worst thing about Wolverine is that he's always been built up at the expense of other characters, starting with Thunderbird.

Average Wolverine fan: "Who's Thunderbird? Is that like the car?"

My point exactly.

 

[Goddessreicho]

Has anyone here, who supports JeLo, ever read *all* of AoA?

 

[ntcrawler]

The worst thing about Wolverine is that he's always been built up at the expense of other characters, starting with Thunderbird.

Average Wolverine fan: "Who's Thunderbird? Is that like the car?"

I see your point exactly. I'll consider myself one of those victims then as I don't know much about Thunderbird. Now I can see why. I suppose then that Cyclops is supposed to be the next victim???

It's so wonderful to come across people who are able to make clear, consice and logical arguments like this among all the fanfare and wishful thinking. It's obvious the X3 Wolverine defenders and FOX defenders are just trying to discourage us, but so far we're doing a good job rebuffing their claims and making a stand, using arguments based on facts that directly points to the source material (both movie and comics, from which the movies originate). Not excuses based on opinions

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I was watching the X-Men 2 Post Production interview with the actors, Singer, Stan Lee, and the irony of it is Patrick Stewart said something that really mirrors what we've been trying to explain to the Wolverine/Fox Loyalists.

It's not exactly what he said, but more or less this is in my own words of what he pointed out. This was during the post production of X2, and now with X3 finished, their quotes ring much more truer now than they did then.

There's a reason why X1/X2 are better than X3.

Stewart- "There's a certain seriousness to these movies. When fans think about these movies, they think about the source material and don't want a tongue and cheek type of a movie. These movies have a serious theme to them. It's about being faithful to the original material and producing quality that resembles the material."

Stan Lee- "What I like about Bryan is that he's more than just a special effects and action guy. He's a director who knows characterization. He knows how to develop characters, stories, and provide details as to caring about these characters."



This is what we've been saying all along, and yet, some of you are still blindly following what Fox has put out involving X3. Why is it so hard to understand that certain deviations don't always help an depiction?

We don't mind you enjoying the movie at all. But it seems you misunderstand our points/facts on purpose, because you don't want to hear the truth. Well deal with it. What we've presented are facts. What a lot of Wolverine loyalists and Fox loyalists have presented are nothing more than imaginative fantasies, excuses, lies, and false hope.

We understand and realize that changes were made. However, the changes that were made in X1/X2 didn't really deviate too much from the comics themselves. In X3, the concept of the Phoenix Saga is one about tragedy, love, passion, darkness, sadness, and redemption. The Phoenix Saga is well loved by comic book fans because of its complex nature and that it's emotional toll that brings out the masterpiece of it.

The fact that these "fans" bring up Weapon X as true X-Men canon is laughable to me. Weapon X is not X-Men canon at all. More or less it's a side story complete with different "what if scenarios". In a particular Weapon X story Wolverine and Jean Grey are lovers. But again, it's not the original storyline and has nothing to do with the actual universe that is the X-Men.

You can say Jean loves Logan, you can say Jean and Logan are true love all you want. But in the end, the fans, Stan Lee, and the comics along with the animated series prove that Jean/Scott are what true love is about.

I think comic book/animated series Logan looked at Jean as a little sister than a potential lover.

Wolverine-::walks up to Scott after the wedding:: If you don't make her happy, ::extracts his claws:: don't let me find out.

This is something that a big brother/father figure would say to someone who is dating a friend that they care about. Sorry Logan fanatics, you're going to have to do your research again. I'll have the last laugh for sure when Spider-Man 3 destroys X3 and proves how a trilogy should close.

I'm happy knowing that Batman, Spider-Man, and Iron Man are in great hands.

 

[ntcrawler]

Has anyone here, who supports JeLo, ever read *all* of AoA?

I agree with what you're saying. But see, that argument is not going to work with some of the people here, like the one that they tried to use before about giving stars of a basketball or soccer team more exposure because fans want to see them. I haven't read it so I don't pretend to know what it's about, nor will I try to draw ideas from it as I only know it from a summary of the basic storyline, but not the actual material.

Unfortunately, some people will now try to turn this around and go back to say that they never read the comics, so it doesn't matter, becasue they're just basing their ideas on what's seen in the movies. Which when they violate critical concepts of the storylines they are supposed to be based on in the first place, is exactly what's wrong with them. A good adaptation can change costumes, can change the setting and visual presentation. But character relationships, character dynamics, and personalities MUST stay the same. That is a critical core foundation for what makes X-Men the X-men. You change that, and you no longer have the X-Men. And claiming that this is the movieverse is not an excuse.

You can do whatever you want. You can even set up a gay love triangle between Logan, Scott, and Xavier, but don't pretend to call that the X-men or claim that it's some updated interpretation or "adaptation" of X-men. People who are not even fans do not walk into the movie theatre completly blind and unprepared. Especially if it's the third installment of the trilogoy. There is plenty of introductory material available out there to explain at least basic concepts behind the characters. And you will never, ever see descriptions that mention things like "Jean is torn between her love for Scott and Logan".

X1 and X2 had their flaws but kept the characters in recognizeable roles and settings, and were consistent to their own established rules and internal logic, as well as across both films. X3 did not do any of these things, and that is why it fails, that is why we are upset, and in the way that Wolverine is portrayed, stealing Scott's role, his life, and his girl, is why we do not approve of the way that he's portrayed. He is Wolverine in name only. Just like the rest of the film is X-men in name only. It should be interesting to know that about 95% of the stories and fanfics written before X3 came out which are supposed to replace X3 or present alternate or original storylines never, ever come even close to the events portrayed in X3. Jean never kills Scott, Jean never disintegrates Xavier, the "phoenix" is never due to a repressed alternate persona, mental blocks crashing down are never a direct reason for her powers becoming what they are, Rogue never considers being Cured, and Wolverine never kills Jean or is the one and only char who can save her.
And about the Jean/Scott/Logan love triangle. Unless Scott is dead, Jean never, ever ends the relationship to be with Logan. There are a few stories where Jean acts a bit "wierd" due to what's happening to her and lusts after logan when she loses control or may end up even doing the hanky panky with him, but it's never due to her being in conflict because she loves both men. In fact, the vast majority of stories that I've read (about 65 so far) almost always shows Jean reasserting what she told Logan in X2: that she loves Scott, she wants Scott, Scott's the one and only man for her, and go away Logan, I'll never love you like that.
In addition, regarding the Phoenix concept, Jean never comes back as instantly evil or destructive. It's either a more gradual path to the dark phoenix side or she comes back fragile, but good. The fact that no one else picks up these ideas or writes a story that's even remotely familiar to the Last Stand is proof in my opinion of just how far off the wall and wrong The Last Stand's plot is.

 

[Kurosawa]

I see your point exactly. I'll consider myself one of those victims then as I don't know much about Thunderbird. Now I can see why. I suppose then that Cyclops is supposed to be the next victim???

It's so wonderful to come across people who are able to make clear, consice and logical arguments like this among all the fanfare and wishful thinking. It's obvious the X3 Wolverine defenders and FOX defenders are just trying to discourage us, but so far we're doing a good job rebuffing their claims and making a stand, using arguments based on facts that directly points to the source material (both movie and comics, from which the movies originate). Not excuses based on opinions

Thunderbird was the first of many characters to suffer so Marvel could cram Wolverine down everybody's throat. He and Wolverine were similar in character and powers, so they killed Thunderbird and the rest is history. Ironically enough if the same situation arose today it would probably be Thunderbird who would live because he's a minority.

Later on Wolverine ended up being adopted by John Byrne as a "pet" character and he went on to become the most blatent example of hack "Gary Stu" characterization in the history of comics. Just disgusting. There's not a single male Marvel character that has encountered Wolverine and come out the better for it. No matter if it's Captain America, the Punisher, Daredevil, Spider-Man or of course Cyclops, Wolverine has been used to make all these characters look bad at one time or another. And of course 95% of the female characters in the MU either have slept with him or would love to.

Like this month, Wolverine is going to fight Prince Namor. I just wince at the very thought of how that story is gonna turn out. As a Sub-Mariner fan, I'm prepared to be disgusted by what they're going to do.

 

[ntcrawler]

There's a reason why X1/X2 are better than X3.

Stewart- "There's a certain seriousness to these movies. When fans think about these movies, they think about the source material and don't want a tongue and cheek type of a movie. These movies have a serious theme to them. It's about being faithful to the original material and producing quality that resembles the material."

Stan Lee- "What I like about Bryan is that he's more than just a special effects and action guy. He's a director who knows characterization. He knows how to develop characters, stories, and provide details as to caring about these characters."

Interesting, interesting. In a recent interview with Famke and James while in Cannes, when asked about the X-men and the use of reference and source material (comics, animated series) for X3, Famke and James admitted that this time around they were told not to rely on the comics as source or reference material but instead that they were going to be going in a totally new and different direction...

I find that greatly disturbing, but also more proof of what we're talking about. The fact that in X3 the source material was no longer considered significant or as important as it was in X1 and X2. Now it makes sense why X3 is so vastly different from X1 and X2 and why so many things are changed and changed in a wrong and inapppropriate way, especially regarding character relationships, dynamics, and personalities, not to mention their roles in the overall story arc.

I think we just found out another reason why things go wrong and why we feel the way we do.

You can say Jean loves Logan, you can say Jean and Logan are true love all you want. But in the end, the fans, Stan Lee, and the comics along with the animated series prove that Jean/Scott are what true love is about.

You can have lots of "what-if" scenarios. Heck, there are plenty just by looking at the cover art. In one, an angry Cyclops is holding a dead Emma Frost. In another, an upset Jean/Phoenix is holding a dead Cyclops while Magneto is hovering just behind her. And in another a dark phoenix is seducing and about to kiss Logan. But none of those things ever happen!

I think comic book/animated series Logan looked at Jean as a little sister than a potential lover.

Wolverine-::walks up to Scott after the wedding:: If you don't make her happy, ::extracts his claws:: don't let me find out.

This is something that a big brother/father figure would say to someone who is dating a friend that they care about.

I agree too. The way he keeps asking her if something's wrong is akin to the way he talks to Rogue, and not how he'd talk to someone who's an equal. The only thing missing was for him to refer to Jean as "kid" and it would have been perfect. He is very protective of her and yes he would feel especially protective once she marries Scott. I heard variations of that line before as well. One version I heard is "if you ever hurt her or cheat on her, I'll get you" he says while picks up cake from the newlyweds. There are different kinds of love, of course. Sometimes it just takes time to sort it out and for a person to figure out which one it is.

I'm happy knowing that Batman, Spider-Man, and Iron Man are in great hands.

Sadly, for now, only we can save the X-Men from their greatest peril: bad writing!

 

[ntcrawler]

Like this month, Wolverine is going to fight Prince Namor. I just wince at the very thought of how that story is gonna turn out. As a Sub-Mariner fan, I'm prepared to be disgusted by what they're going to do.

Wow... really? The way you describe it, it makes it sound like Wolverine's being built up to the point where these days he could probably take on Apoc all by himself.

 

[X-Maniac]

I am nasty because they put us down for disliking the movie. We(the ones who didn't like it) had offered reasons, facts, and proven deviations from the comics themselves. Nowhere was I insulting anybody from the beginning.

Then you have certain posters like X-Maniac, Logan Babe, Weatherwitch, and YJ1 who chime in with a sarcastic/nasty remark saying, "It's not supposed to be faithful to the comics," "who is Cyclops?", "who is Gambit?", or "why can't you get over it you losers?!"

When trying to engage in a specific debate with these posters, the majority of their reasons are, "Logan is popular and hot!', "Cyclops is a boring character, he needed to die.", and so on and so forth. Those aren't intelligent reasons and they're nothing more than based off of their own obsession with a comic book character. I'm not saying they're horrible people or that they need to die, but I'm tired of us being looked as whiney fanboys because we expected a better movie.

The best revenge will be seeing the Wolverine movie flop, watching the Logan/Fox loyalists defend it and call anyone who dislikes it ******ed, and so on.

I don't have a problem with them liking X-Men 3. But they don't provide reasons except how hot Logan is and how the first two were boring films with no action.

I don't care how many times they lie about reading the comics. Bottom line, they're just the typical Fox/Logan loyalists who will accept anything.

What total rubbish. You haven't read a single thing I've ever posted, that is quite obvious.

You are entitled to dislike the movie and stew in your own bile. Please carry on, i'd hate to disrupt your decline into insanity. But others are entitled to like the movie. That is something you cannot change. Your opinion is merely that - an opinion.

You MUST accept that there are those who enjoyed either some or all of the movie. Whatever facts, deviations and arguments you spew forth, you cannot 'prove' the movie was bad. Creative work is subjective, what is good to some is bad to others. Box office is the only measure of success and the box office shows that whatever deviations and whatnot upset you did not upset the mass market mainstream. Yes, of course things could and should have been different. But having seen Superman Returns and what happens when a director gets an overblown ego and far too much creative freedom to direct and edit his own work, I do not think Bryan Singer would have delivered what you wanted either - and the parameters and demands of Fox would still have existed on what freedom and imagination he did have.

It's time you faced the facts.

 

[X-Maniac]

The worst thing about Wolverine is that he's always been built up at the expense of other characters, starting with Thunderbird.

Average Wolverine fan: "Who's Thunderbird? Is that like the car?"

My point exactly.

I quite liked Thunderbird. But they didn't do much with the character and his abilities were rather unexciting. I don't think he was killed off to allow the building up of Wolverine.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

What total rubbish. You haven't read a single thing I've ever posted, that is quite obvious.

You are entitled to dislike the movie and stew in your own bile. Please carry on, i'd hate to disrupt your decline into insanity. But others are entitled to like the movie. That is something you cannot change. Your opinion is merely that - an opinion.

You MUST accept that there are those who enjoyed either some or all of the movie. Whatever facts, deviations and arguments you spew forth, you cannot 'prove' the movie was bad. Creative work is subjective, what is good to some is bad to others. Box office is the only measure of success and the box office shows that whatever deviations and whatnot upset you did not upset the mass market mainstream. Yes, of course things could and should have been different. But having seen Superman Returns and what happens when a director gets an overblown ego and far too much creative freedom to direct and edit his own work, I do not think Bryan Singer would have delivered what you wanted either - and the parameters and demands of Fox would still have existed on what freedom and imagination he did have.

It's time you faced the facts.

Typical Fox/Wolverine loyalist response.

I happen to love Superman Returns. It's so much better than X3 with the emotion and excitement I was looking for.

That's one thing I can thank Fox for. Thank you Fox for sending Singer to do a wonderfully visually amazing Superman along with the emotion that I was looking for.

Actually, I think Singer would've done the Phoenix Saga like I was hoping. After the emotional scene of watching Cyclops break down in Logans arms(which moved me to tears) and seeing the Phoenix bird in the water, I couldn't WAIT to see what Singer was goin to do with the Phoenix Saga.

Singer(from his own admission) wanted to film X3 and X4 back to back introducing Phoenix as a good entity, then X4 would've been the Dark Phoenix saga.

Nice try.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

What total rubbish. You haven't read a single thing I've ever posted, that is quite obvious.

You are entitled to dislike the movie and stew in your own bile. Please carry on, i'd hate to disrupt your decline into insanity. But others are entitled to like the movie. That is something you cannot change. Your opinion is merely that - an opinion.

You MUST accept that there are those who enjoyed either some or all of the movie. Whatever facts, deviations and arguments you spew forth, you cannot 'prove' the movie was bad. Creative work is subjective, what is good to some is bad to others. Box office is the only measure of success and the box office shows that whatever deviations and whatnot upset you did not upset the mass market mainstream. Yes, of course things could and should have been different. But having seen Superman Returns and what happens when a director gets an overblown ego and far too much creative freedom to direct and edit his own work, I do not think Bryan Singer would have delivered what you wanted either - and the parameters and demands of Fox would still have existed on what freedom and imagination he did have.

It's time you faced the facts.

Typical Fox/Wolverine loyalist response.

I happen to love Superman Returns. It's so much better than X3 with the emotion and excitement I was looking for.

That's one thing I can thank Fox for. Thank you Fox for sending Singer to do a wonderfully visually amazing Superman along with the emotion that I was looking for.

Actually, I think Singer would've done the Phoenix Saga like I was hoping. After the emotional scene of watching Cyclops break down in Logans arms(which moved me to tears) and seeing the Phoenix bird in the water, I couldn't WAIT to see what Singer was goin to do with the Phoenix Saga.

Singer(from his own admission) wanted to film X3 and X4 back to back introducing Phoenix as a good entity, then X4 would've been the Dark Phoenix saga.

Nice try.

 

[X-Maniac]

We don't mind you enjoying the movie at all. But it seems you misunderstand our points/facts on purpose, because you don't want to hear the truth. Well deal with it. What we've presented are facts. What a lot of Wolverine loyalists and Fox loyalists have presented are nothing more than imaginative fantasies, excuses, lies, and false hope.

We understand and realize that changes were made. However, the changes that were made in X1/X2 didn't really deviate too much from the comics themselves. In X3, the concept of the Phoenix Saga is one about tragedy, love, passion, darkness, sadness, and redemption. The Phoenix Saga is well loved by comic book fans because of its complex nature and that it's emotional toll that brings out the masterpiece of it.

The facts you are presenting are merely reasons that you do not like X3. They do not prove anything. In X1 and X2, there were also deviations from the source material - Rogue's weakness, Sabretooth's death, Deathstryke's death, the Jason/Mastermind/Proteus composite character. And Cyclops being brushed aside for half of X2 should have made the red flags start flapping wildly for Cyclops fans, even back then. Wolverine was pushed to the forefront even then, having to tell Cyclops that Jean had 'made a choice' as if there ever was any doubt who she was with.

I am not a fan of Wolverine's prominence. I can understand some of the reasoning to create a 'marquee character', but I'd much prefer Cyclops to be there too. But he wasn't. How many times can you cry and scream and stomp your feet about it? Fox wanted him to have died 'between' the events of X2 and X3.

The X-Men change in every version that is done - the 90s cartoon was fairly accurate in most respects (except things like Nightcrawler was only in two episodes and was never a team member), the Evo version made them into students at a school run by Mystique, and so on...

You cannot remake or unmake the movie, so you may as well enjoy the parts that you thought were good and try to understand the reasons for the things you thought were bad.

Childish tantrums on here and ridiculous false accusations and assumptions about people who choose to enjoy the movie won't get you anywhere. They just make you look like a nutcase.

 

[X-Maniac]

Typical Fox/Wolverine loyalist response.

I happen to love Superman Returns. It's so much better than X3 with the emotion and excitement I was looking for.

That's one thing I can thank Fox for. Thank you Fox for sending Singer to do a wonderfully visually amazing Superman along with the emotion that I was looking for.

Actually, I think Singer would've done the Phoenix Saga like I was hoping. After the emotional scene of watching Cyclops break down in Logans arms(which moved me to tears) and seeing the Phoenix bird in the water, I couldn't WAIT to see what Singer was goin to do with the Phoenix Saga.

Singer(from his own admission) wanted to film X3 and X4 back to back introducing Phoenix as a good entity, then X4 would've been the Dark Phoenix saga.

Nice try.

Excitement in SR? Tell that to the man next to me who fell asleep and the couple in front who were playing with their mobile phones... It was as dark and dull as a muddy puddle...

Whatever Singer said he wanted to do, he didn't do it. He left and took the actor who would have been Cyclops with him. Thank him for removing Cyclops from the Phoenix saga - it's partly Bryan's fault. I seriously doubt he would have been allowed to film X3 and X4 back to back. And Fox's paramaters would still have existed.

 

[Kurosawa]

Wow... really? The way you describe it, it makes it sound like Wolverine's being built up to the point where these days he could probably take on Apoc all by himself.

They've had him:

Survive a ground zero nuclear explosion.

Get his face blown off by a shotgun and ran over with a steamroller and still live.

Ultimate Wolverine was torn in half by the Hulk and he crawled to his lower half and remerged with it. That's just f'n stupid.

The more they push Wolverine the more powerful he gets. At least Superman has Kryptonite. Not to mention the fact that he's about a 1,098,056,987,543,897 times better character IMO.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Excitement in SR? Tell that to the man next to me who fell asleep and the couple in front who were playing with their mobile phones... It was as dark and dull as a muddy puddle...

Whatever Singer said he wanted to do, he didn't do it. He left and took the actor who would have been Cyclops with him. Thank him for removing Cyclops from the Phoenix saga - it's partly Bryan's fault. I seriously doubt he would have been allowed to film X3 and X4 back to back. And Fox's paramaters would still have existed.

Wrong.

Blame Fox for waiting as long as they did to the point that Singer did leave.

Why do you think Sony and WB are more respectable than Fox? Sony signed Raimi to three movies before the first Spider-Man came out, WB signed Nolan to three Batman movies, New Line Cinema signed Peter Jackson to all three Lord of the Rings films, and so on and so forth.

You're grasping here with a lot of lies on your part. Just admit that you love Fox, you love Rothman, and love that they signed a bunch of yes-men to complete a trilogy in the most half ass manner that one could think of.

Singer would've done X3 had Fox signed him up immediately after the success of X3. Singer and Marsden have to eat and feed their families too, so they did what anyone would've done and that's move on in order to make a living.

Nice try again. As for the guy who fell asleep during SR. Not my fault that some summer audiences have ADD and can't keep still, awake, or focused during a 2 hour movie.

 

[CapBeerCino]

Stan Lee- "What I like about Bryan is that he's more than just a special effects and action guy. He's a director who knows characterization. He knows how to develop characters, stories, and provide details as to caring about these characters."

Then he must really hate the way x-3 turned out (yeah, yeah he has a cameo where he waters the garden, I know.)

 

[X-Maniac]

They've had him:

Survive a ground zero nuclear explosion.

Get his face blown off by a shotgun and ran over with a steamroller and still live.

Ultimiate Wolverine was torn in half and he cralwed to his lower half and remerged with it.

The more they push Wolverine the more powerful he gets. At least Superman has Kryptonite. Not to mention the fact that he's about a 1,098,056,987,543,897 times better character IMO.

Well, thank goodness those things haven't been in the movies. We've just seen flesh regrowing as he approached Phoenix. Best keep quiet about those other things....

No one wants Wolverine to be that all-powerful and prominent in the movieverse... and at least he didn't go that far in X3. He retained his humanity (and had a little too much of it when he wept over Xavier's chair - one assumes that was because the only remaining man who could find all the answers to his past had gone..)

 

[CapBeerCino]

Ultimate Wolverine was torn in half by the Hulk and he crawled to his lower half and remerged with it. That's just f'n stupid.

That was such a stupid moment. btw- you ignored me at the community forum

 

[Kurosawa]

I quite liked Thunderbird. But they didn't do much with the character and his abilities were rather unexciting. I don't think he was killed off to allow the building up of Wolverine.

He had all the same tracking powers that Wolverine later got, plus super-strength. He was basically Wolverine without the claws and the healing factor. He was actually pretty similar to Timber Wolf, who Wolverine is in many ways a rip-off of.

They've as much said that they felt the two were too similar and chose to kill Thunderbird off for just that reason.

It all started with him. Now, unless you're a Wolverine fanboy, your favorite Marvel hero has at one time or another been made to look inferior to him.

 

[X-Maniac]

Wrong.

Blame Fox for waiting as long as they did to the point that Singer did leave.

Why do you think Sony and WB are more respectable than Fox? Sony signed Raimi to three movies before the first Spider-Man came out, WB signed Nolan to three Batman movies, New Line Cinema signed Peter Jackson to all three Lord of the Rings films, and so on and so forth.

You're grasping here with a lot of lies on your part. Just admit that you love Fox, you love Rothman, and love that they signed a bunch of yes-men to complete a trilogy in the most half ass manner that one could think of.

Singer would've done X3 had Fox signed him up immediately after the success of X3. Singer and Marsden have to eat and feed their families too, so they did what anyone would've done and that's move on in order to make a living.

Nice try again. As for the guy who fell asleep during SR. Not my fault that some summer audiences have ADD and can't keep still, awake, or focused during a 2 hour movie.

But I don't love Fox or Rothman. Stop trying to portray anyone who doesn't agree with you as something they are not. This blind hatred of the movie and of anyone who dares to say they liked it is a very unhealthy and psychotic way to view people.

Yes, Fox screwed up... most people on here realise that, even those who liked the movie. Fox hasn't had either the business sense, confidence or cash to commit to the franchise properly.

But that doesn't change the fact thatr I am an X-Men fan (I follow no director, film-maker or other commercial entity) and I happened to enjoy the movie and to like a lot of what was in it.

Someone said Bryan Singer's 'queeny b1tchy friends' were on here. I wonder who they are!

 

[Kurosawa]

That was such a stupid moment. btw- you ignored me at the community forum

I did? I'm so sorry, I've been very in frequent as of late.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Then he must really hate the way x-3 turned out (yeah, yeah he has a cameo where he waters the garden, I know.)

Interesting thing is we haven't heard his opinion about X3.

But it wouldn't surprise me if it's positive, as he wants the paychecks to continue coming in.

 

[X-Maniac]

Now, unless you're a Wolverine fanboy....

Which I am not... just for the record!

 

[ntcrawler]

They've had him:

Survive a ground zero nuclear explosion.

Well yeah, Adamantium is unbreakable

Get his face blown off by a shotgun and ran over with a steamroller and still live.

Is that from from his encounter with the Punisher? I think Punisher pointed out he knew Wolverine couldn't die, but at least this would keep him down for a few minutes

Ultimate Wolverine was torn in half by the Hulk and he crawled to his lower half and remerged with it. That's just f'n stupid.

The more they push Wolverine the more powerful he gets.

Well no wonder he has such a loyal and fanatical following! I mean look at how cool the guy is! No other character could possibly survive all this and still come back to save the day and be a hero! No other mutant could even come close!!!

What's the point of having Phoenix then? Where's the danger? People complained that having an infinitely powerful char that can destroy the city with a single thought is overkill. But now look at Wolverine. Sounds like even if she shredded him into salsa he'd still coalesce together like the T-1000 did in Terminator 2.