If fans of certain characters can't admit defeat, then it's really just them being stupid and not anything inherently wrong with versus threads. I'm a huge fan of Green Arrow and I still know that someone like Thor would rape him up down and sideways across the street. I can understand if the characters' power levels were remotely comparable, but if one character is just completely outclassed -- as for example, Venom against Superman
-- then it's just kinda stupid to argue otherwise.
MajinShenron, continuity is relative depending on the editor's whim...but it is
only relative depending on the editor's whim. If a fan didn't like Batman beating Superman in Hush then he might say, "That's stupid. That's out-of-character. That's bad writing. I don't accept that." But what he or she
can't say is "This isn't canon. This is out-of-continuity." And if someone
were to say that, then he or she would be wrong. It is in continuity. Until another writer comes along and tells us differently, it happened within this universe's timeline and sequence of events. Complaining that a scene is written horribly is very different than claiming that a scene isn't in canon, and I don't think either you or Horrofan understand this difference.
For the sake of argument let's assume that the scene in question
is canonical; Superman's a big wuss that gets kicked around by Venom and this actually happened, whatever. But before and after that scene happened, Superman has been shown shattering mountains, flying through stars, moving at many times the speed of sound, and pushing planets around. We know that is what Superman can
actually do, so obviously that scene with Venom was a showing of him at his very, very worst. You know Superman is ordinarily stronger than Venom. Everyone who's seen any comic with those two knows this. So even if that scene actually happened within the context of both universes' continuity, it can't be anything but a poor example of the two characters' power levels. It can't be used as much evidence for anything, much less the
Sentry's power levels.
Horrorfan said:
Lets be honest...I think you mean people don't generally accept crossovers because one of their favourites got spanked (see people's opinions of marvel vs dc). Im perfectly fine with it as canon and as far as I am concerned it is.
So you're saying that we don't like what happened so we don't accept it as canon. But you're also saying that you
do like it so you
do accept it as canon.
So how exactly is your attitude any different than what you accuse ours of being? You accuse us of letting our biases decide continuity for us, and yet here you are doing
the exact same thing.
Horrorfan said:
Comics aren't real. Liberties are taken. For example, as much as I hate that whole Punisher / loony toons era where he steam rolled wolverine, I don't think Punisher logically should be able to take him, or any hero, but hey guess what? It's a comic, logic doesn't apply in the same way you would apply it in the real world. It's illogical for a guy to be frozen in ice after WW2 and be woken up, no harm done, decades later. It's illogical for a man to turn into a giant hulk when he gets angry. You can choose to get over it, or ***** about it and look really whiney.
What in the world does the suspension of belief in a fictional fantasy universe have anything the heck to do with deciding which stories are in canon and which aren't?? You're literally saying that because people shoot lasers from their eyes in these stories, every single story ever printed had to have happened to these characters.
What
? It's like two completely different discussions.
Horrorfan said:
When it comes to comics, if it's in print, it happened.
Hell the proof is that you can go and order all the Marvel vs DC sets.
Continuity in a comic universe is a relative thing.
This is just flat out wrong and you know it, son.
Do you know what continuity is? If both Marvel vs. DC and JLA vs. Avengers were canon, then the characters should remember the events of the former during the events of the latter. They didn't. Therefore, in terms of the two universes' canon,
only one of these events could have ever "happened". And considering that the events of JLA vs. Avengers has been referenced in later DC comic books, we can conclude JLA vs Avengers is the one that is in canon whereas Marvel vs. DC is not.
So there you have it. Even though Marvel vs. DC is in print, it never actually happened to the characters of the DCU. Such a thing can happen and has happened all the time.
The continuity of a comic book universe does not encompass everything that's ever printed about a character, especially during mass company crossovers which are by their very definition a very ambiguous showing of the characters in question.