The Dark Knight Will it be too dark for the children?

well, where was BB dark? It was not bright and colorful visually, that's true, but the plot wasn't dark. It was more straight-forward-James-Bondish action.

Which was unfortunate considering they wanted this semi-believable. Falcone and Ra's came off as cartoony, and there was no real threat to anything. Difficult to decide if they were going for typical unthreatening superhero tone, something darker hampered by the rating, or something darker hampered by the direction/writing. But I agree, Begins wasn't dark at all, sadly
 
By making elaborate speeches about things that should be implied rather than said directly, unthreatening, over-acted, simplistic motivations, bad writing, sanitised. Cliched and predictable all round really
 
Which was unfortunate considering they wanted this semi-believable. Falcone and Ra's came off as cartoony, and there was no real threat to anything. Difficult to decide if they were going for typical unthreatening superhero tone, something darker hampered by the rating, or something darker hampered by the direction/writing. But I agree, Begins wasn't dark at all, sadly

yeah i agree, it was only dark visually, but the story itself actually reminded me of the first spiderman. im hoipeing the sequel will step it up a notch, like Returns did. B89 was dark on the outside, but the story wasnt very dark. Returns changed that. hopefully, so will TDK.
 
yeah i agree, it was only dark visually, but the story itself actually reminded me of the first spiderman. im hoipeing the sequel will step it up a notch, like Returns did. B89 was dark on the outside, but the story wasnt very dark. Returns changed that. hopefully, so will TDK.

I do not concur. B89's story was dark and had a few very twisted moments. BR went a little bit too much in that direction.
 
i guess what im trying to say is, BR is much much darker so it kinda makes B89 look not so dark, or not as dark. but both films were certainly darker in tone then BB was. batman didnt want to kill in BB, alot of those cheesy sentimental moments, alfred saveing bruce a few times, etc. it wasnt very dark at all.
 
i guess what im trying to say is, BR is much much darker so it kinda makes B89 look not so dark, or not as dark. but both films were certainly darker in tone then BB was. batman didnt want to kill in BB, alot of those cheesy sentimental moments, etc. it wasnt very dark at all.

that is correct, but I think it should be clear that darker does not mean better.
 
When darker means less cliche and sentimentality, it's unambiguously better

I do not understand this sentence. "Darker" can also mean more cliche. For example: Spawn, All Star Batman...

Hitchcock said something like this once: "If a movie gets too serious, it will become ridiculous."
 
"will it be to dark for children?"


I hope so. in a way i wanna see "THE GODDAMN BATMAN" soon...very...closely...soon
 
I do not understand this sentence. "Darker" can also mean more cliche. For example: Spawn, All Star Batman...

Hitchcock said something like this once: "If a movie gets too serious, it will become ridiculous."

It can, but that's not how GoogleMe was using it.

Nothing against humor, it was just badly written humor in Begins that punctures the wrong moments.

Eg/ Batman desperately trying to save his poisoned friend by almost killing people, cracking a joke while running through the asylum just cheapens everything.
 
Sasquatch - In spite of all this, did you actually like Batman Begins?
 
I liked it, it's enjoyable, but disappointing. Doesn't live up to Nolan and Goyer's ideas or Nolan's usual standards. Doesn't feel like a Nolan take on Batman, more like Goyer's superficial and cod-serious take on Batman.
 
Hmm. I'm a bit taken aback. You are so instrumental in a lot of the enthusiasm on this board, I assumed you were 100% on 'board'.

The truth is, I think I'm inclined to agree with you. I liked it very much, yes. But there was something cheap feeling about it. Neeson is just too ubiquitous as an actor, and he'll forever shrink my weeny after being the dude that dropped "midichlorians" on the world. Definitely thought the suit was "teh puffy" too ;-).

Bats intro was done anti-climactic for me, also. Ironically, I didn't mind the blurry fighting, but the way he pulled Falcone out of the limo wasn't shot as kinetic as I would have like, he looked like he was taking a ****, and the 'nice coat' I wasn't wild about either.

But to be more on topic, the story wasn't that dark at all really. It was just visually dark. Not to say thats bad. In fact, thats what I liked about it. I like that he's a good guy with heart and he has people that love him. And that the bad guys don't really control anything in the end, they are just lost idiots who will lose.

More on topic, this series isn't truly "dark", and the kids will be fine.
 
I think Batman Begins had a good balance of being dark nbut not to dark to scare off the kids and yet be visually dark enough to satisfy bamtan adults fans.

I'll tell you though, when I first saw it and that scene with Johnathan Crane seeing Batman under the fear gas made me jump back in my seat and I loved it!

My Favorite Hero of all time scared even me.... me.. AWESOME! :woot:

The sequel should try and maintain this same 'Dark' balance.
 
^^ Totally, I guess there is a fine line that one shan't over simplify. True indeed, sir. Nolan really did throw together a good fusion, given all the stigma he had to deal with.

Balance. Always about balance.
 
I'm excited more because of the potential, the potential that Begins had and mostly blew, but can still be saved. When you pair Nolan's understated direction with poor writing, there isn't much there. If Goyer was writing this one too I wouldn't be half as excited, Gotham's reaction to Batman is where it really deserves something better. It's all down to better execution of some great ideas, so far it sounds as if Jonah's grasped all the most interesting repurcussions of Begins: copycat vigilantes, media interest, identity, criminal groups vying for territory, gradual acceptance by the police, everyone trying to understand and exploit Batman. I don't think Goyer would be able to juggle something that complicated, if he even tried to. Begins had such a simple job, show how Bruce goes from A to B to C to become Batman, and stills feels extremely rushed, resorting to speeches to get exposition across quickly

Maybe the overly simplistic motivation Bruce had to become Batman will turn out well, they can show how naive the idea was. The only way they've attempted believability so far has been explaining a few logistics and filming in a real city, it's so derivative in terms of plot and characters. The only remaining worry is the generic superhero music Zimmer produced, but it did match Goyer's script.

The darkness of TDK should be about the uglyness of everyone's character, rather than some divide between the saintly (Gordon, Rachel) and the cartoony bad guys (the mob). Joker calling his terrorism a "social experiment" is encouraging, maybe that'll provoke some real reaction and complications when things get tough...betrayal, guilt, ambiguous choices, bad actions committed through good intentions, permanent horrible consequences etc etc
 
Too dark? Lets hope Nolan piles on the dark. Compared to his other movies BB was a Looney Tune, technicolor walk in the park. It's not the director or the writer or the ratings board's job to be a parent. Parents need to quit blaming the media for their messed up kids because they are with their parents day in and out, a movie is just 2 hours, hardly long enough to be the major influence in their life.
 
I agree with most of you about Begins being just kid friendly enought, but on the other side dark in tone. I would prefer it darker of course, but studio politics are a ***** sometimes. I'd have to say this one will be different, that's why I'm waiting for a press release or the trailer in December. Am all for it.
 

Paranoidboy's description, or has that been discounted? His thread seems to have been deleted.

Another extra told me a Joker broadcast includes the line - "what does it take for you people to play along?". So I assume Joker's trying to make some ugly but truthful statement about the nature of people, besides just enjoying the suffering. Sounds dark in a way Begins wasn't, and beyond just increasing the violence or other ratings worries
 
Who wants children watching TDK?

Batman & Robin was made especifically for them.
They can watch that.
 
**** kids. I want this movie to be R. A hard R, where The Joker is a cannibal, and he eats Rachel alive, and they show it.
 

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