Wonder Woman in Batman V. Superman Thread

[Bwahaha!]

Apparently there's some merchandise out there stating that Diana Prince's fashions were inspired by the fact she's been living in Europe since World War 1. So maybe she cannot get back to Themyscira. That'd be interesting.

Btw, I'm a fan of BvS and WW's intro...one thing I do wonder is: if Lex had old pictures and modern surveillance video of Diana, he obviously knew what she looked like. Yet she showed up at Lex's party and didn't seem concerned he might recognize her. It's probably a nit, but has anyone thought about that?

 

[moviefreak]

Apparently there's some merchandise out there stating that Diana Prince's fashions were inspired by the fact she's been living in Europe since World War 1. So maybe she cannot get back to Themyscira. That'd be interesting.

Btw, I'm a fan of BvS and WW's intro...one thing I do wonder is: if Lex had old pictures and modern surveillance video of Diana, he obviously knew what she looked like. Yet she showed up at Lex's party and didn't seem concerned he might recognize her. It's probably a nit, but has anyone thought about that?

She probably didn't know the extend to which Lex kept tab on her.

 

[Willi Berg]

Apparently there's some merchandise out there stating that Diana Prince's fashions were inspired by the fact she's been living in Europe since World War 1. So maybe she cannot get back to Themyscira. That'd be interesting.

Btw, I'm a fan of BvS and WW's intro...one thing I do wonder is: if Lex had old pictures and modern surveillance video of Diana, he obviously knew what she looked like. Yet she showed up at Lex's party and didn't seem concerned he might recognize her. It's probably a nit, but has anyone thought about that?

That is interesting.

I believe all that Diana knows is that Lex has a photograph that belongs to her. And she wants it back. She doesn't know that Lex has been spying on her or has her in the old photograph. It's only until Bruce sends her the [BLACKOUT]photo and the metahuman [/BLACKOUT] info. that she realises she's been found out. Though why Lex, if he has files on her, doesn't recognise her at his own party is another thing. (Though he seems to know a lot about Clark and Bruce as well.)

 

[OutOfBoose]

Btw, I'm a fan of BvS and WW's intro...one thing I do wonder is: if Lex had old pictures and modern surveillance video of Diana, he obviously knew what she looked like. Yet she showed up at Lex's party and didn't seem concerned he might recognize her. It's probably a nit, but has anyone thought about that?

Well, even if he recognizes her, so what? He was gathering info on them, but at that point he didn't have a weapon against meta-humans. Besides, at that point Diana didn't know that Lex knows about her. She learned about that only after she used Bruce's equipment, who installed it only during that party...

 

[Bwahaha!]

Well, even if he recognizes her, so what? He was gathering info on them, but at that point he didn't have a weapon against meta-humans. Besides, at that point Diana didn't know that Lex knows about her. She learned about that only after she used Bruce's equipment, who installed it only during that party...

It's not a huge deal if Lex recognizes her, I guess. For all I know, he did, and Snyder filmed the exchange but it got left on cutting rm floor.

But Diana absolutely knew Lex had gotten a photo of her, and therefore knew what she looked like. She likely realized he'd been surveilling her too. I think it's safe to think she knew more about the situation than she let on to Bruce.

 

[OutOfBoose]

But Diana absolutely knew Lex had gotten a photo of her, and therefore knew what she looked like. She likely realized he'd been surveilling her too. I think it's safe to think she knew more about the situation than she let on to Bruce.

Not really. She probably knew he was interested in her, but she didn't know what Lex knows. She was unable to decrypt the hdd and returned it to Bruce. And when he decrypted it and found out that Lex has plenty of info on her and other meta-humans, he sent that info to Diana. I don't know why Bruce sent her other files with other meta-humans, but maybe because of Flash vision... At least that's how I see it.

 

[Willi Berg]

It's not a huge deal if Lex recognizes her, I guess. For all I know, he did, and Snyder filmed the exchange but it got left on cutting rm floor.

But Diana absolutely knew Lex had gotten a photo of her, and therefore knew what she looked like. She likely realized he'd been surveilling her too. I think it's safe to think she knew more about the situation than she let on to Bruce.

But Bruce in his email to Diana writes "The photograph doesn't belong to you. It IS you." Because earlier Diana said "I believe Mr. Luthor has a photograph that belongs to me..." She didn't know what Luthor had. She seems distressed when she sees the photo of her that Bruce sends to her. Also I don't think she wanted Bruce to find out who she was, and that's exactly what happened when he decrypted Luthor's files and found her old photo.

I don't know where you get that Diana would know all about Lex and his surveillance of her and what photo he had of hers. That's exactly what she's trying to find out.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I completely missed that phrase about the photo, TWICE. I guess I was busy being charmed by Diana (one of those 9 men out of 10 ). Now it makes sense. But I'm not sure why she wanted the HDD. There's some information to where the photo can be found? Physical original, I mean.

Overall, not a big deal.

 

[dhandler01]

I think that Gal as WW really popped every time she was on screen.

Agreed, got quite the applause when she showed up at the end! My gf is very jazzed about this

 

[Willi Berg]

But I'm not sure why she wanted the HDD. There's some information to where the photo can be found? Physical original, I mean.

It's basically access to LexCorp files to see whether the photo is actually within them. To see what Lex has on her. And the photo was in his files.

Perhaps the solo WW will fill in more about what happened just before then, when she finds out that Lex has a photograph belonging to her. The solo WW movie reportedly ends just before BvS and is bookended with present-day scenes.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Perhaps the solo WW will fill in more about what happened just before then, when she finds out that Lex has a photograph belonging to her. The solo WW movie reportedly ends just before BvS and is bookended with present-day scenes.

Sounds exciting. And the photo was BOSS.

 

[Miss Lois Lane]

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Gal on Diana and the Doomsday fight:

 

[Bwahaha!]

But Bruce in his email to Diana writes "The photograph doesn't belong to you. It IS you." Because earlier Diana said "I believe Mr. Luthor has a photograph that belongs to me..." She didn't know what Luthor had. She seems distressed when she sees the photo of her that Bruce sends to her. Also I don't think she wanted Bruce to find out who she was, and that's exactly what happened when he decrypted Luthor's files and found her old photo.

I don't know where you get that Diana would know all about Lex and his surveillance of her and what photo he had of hers. That's exactly what she's trying to find out.

This honestly isn't a big deal to me, either way. I just fill in the blanks and reach the conclusion that Diana knew more than Lex had a photo of her. She at least knew which one (the WW1 pic with Trevor), or why fly all the way across the pond to investigate? I feel that Diana didn't want to tell Bruce everything she knew, so she just mentioned the photo. She gave him a little bit, so he wouldn't ask a lot more questions. But I do believe she knew she was being tracked. She's too smart not to.

 

[BeholdMe]

I saw BvS and I will say WW took the cake for me. It was so nice to finally see her on the big screen like epic lol. When she debuted during that big battle I got butterflies it was incredible to see truly. I had my doubts about Gadot at first but upon seeing the movie I was thoroughly impressed. I love her accent it really made her seem exotic on top of her looks. Now I'm even more so looking forward to her solo film,she stole the show for me a bright spot in that movie for me.

 

[Willi Berg]

This honestly isn't a big deal to me, either way. I just fill in the blanks and reach the conclusion that Diana knew more than Lex had a photo of her. She at least knew which one (the WW1 pic with Trevor), or why fly all the way across the pond to investigate? I feel that Diana didn't want to tell Bruce everything she knew, so she just mentioned the photo. She gave him a little bit, so he wouldn't ask a lot more questions. But I do believe she knew she was being tracked. She's too smart not to.

Since she has a secret identity, of course she would be worried about being found out. And of course she would hold back on giving Bruce too much info., since she is protecting her secret identity from him as well. Since she wanted to know exactly what Lex knew, then she could've suspected he might have info on her. But I do not think she "absolutely" knew what Lex had on her. That is what she is trying to find out the whole movie, and has difficulty finding out. Which is why she tells Bruce she can't get through the military grade encryption and let's him do it.

But all these unknown details will be revealed in the solo movie, most likely. So until then filling in the blanks are just assumptions.

 

[haephestus]

Btw, I'm a fan of BvS and WW's intro...one thing I do wonder is: if Lex had old pictures and modern surveillance video of Diana, he obviously knew what she looked like. Yet she showed up at Lex's party and didn't seem concerned he might recognize her. It's probably a nit, but has anyone thought about that?

Eh. Just one of many plot holes for me. I have issues with Diana's "motivation" in DoJ being the retrieval of a 100 year old photo. Sure, it's fine and dandy to be sentimental, but Diana seemed to be really attached to that photo. It's not as though people walking around today don't have doppelgangers in very old photos. There's always click-bait "news" articles about someone looking identical to their great grandparent / random relative / stranger in another part of the world.

And it did seem pretty foolish for her to appear at Lex's party as "Diana Prince" if she knew that Lex had a photo of her as "Wonder Woman" in WW1. Wouldn't appearing at the party looking almost exactly the same (i.e. no blonde wig, no glasses, no loose clothing to disguise body shape) cause Lex to do something if she believed that she was being investigated by Lex? Sure, it's not like Diana has to worry about any private security goons, but if Diana's aim is to live as covertly as possible, then attending a big party hosted (?) by the person seeking to reveal her "true" identity seems like a misstep.

I'll just guess that she knew that Lex was investigating her role in WW1, but didn't have any reason to believe that a billionaire would actually be investigating metahumans (even if he had published the "metahuman thesis" or was involved in that thesis) or herself personally, but rather just the events in which she was involved. For all she knew, Lex may have been investigating Steve Trevor or one of her other allies, perhaps someone who was even a Luthor ancestor.

Still, that plot hole pales in comparison to other plot holes and unexplained character motivations (e.g. Lois retrieving the spear, Lex's plan for Doomsday no matter the outcome of the fight between Batman and Superman, the public blaming Superman for deaths by bullets and bombs, Clark not being fired for continually refusing to do work assigned to him by Perry White, etc).

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think the photo is there to in fact BE mysterious. To intrigue, not be something spelled out in minute detail.

 

[haephestus]

So given the recently released deleted scene from DoJ and Diana's comment about killing monsters from other worlds before, does anyone think that it's possible for Wonder Woman's solo movie villain to be Yuga Khan (i.e. Darkseid's father)?

There was a bit of interaction between Wonder Woman and the New Gods, particularly Orion in the New52 version of Wonder Woman, which may have prompted the script writer to look outside of Wonder Woman's normal villains. And it would potentially help the "world building" for the DC movie universe and would hopefully position Wonder Woman well in terms of a leadership role in the Justice League films.

 

[Captain Shazam]

I loved seeing Diana's WW1 photo in BvS. It all fits together to think that Wonder Woman started shooting before BvS so that the picture would link directly to her movie.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

So given the recently released deleted scene from DoJ and Diana's comment about killing monsters from other worlds before, does anyone think that it's possible for Wonder Woman's solo movie villain to be Yuga Khan (i.e. Darkseid's father)?

There was a bit of interaction between Wonder Woman and the New Gods, particularly Orion in the New52 version of Wonder Woman, which may have prompted the script writer to look outside of Wonder Woman's normal villains. And it would potentially help the "world building" for the DC movie universe and would hopefully position Wonder Woman well in terms of a leadership role in the Justice League films.

If there are connective threads that are REALLY strong between films, I could see some New Gods connection but I don't know... Things from "Tartarus" or "Hades" would be "not of this world" in my mind too.

 

[haephestus]

I saw this mentioned on another website - was Diana Prince / Wonder Woman never actually named during the entire movie? I know that the air hostess called out "Miss Prince" and no-one called her Wonder Woman (although Lex Luthor has apparently already decided her superhero name and designed her a nifty logo to use for publicising her heroic persona). But, I don't recall anyone ever calling her Diana. Is that right?

It's odd that Lex Luthor presumably invited her to his "invitation only" event, but never sought her out to play mind games with her about his knowledge of her past.

It's also a little odd that they didn't even have a single introductory line from Wonder Woman when she joined the final battle. Something like: I'm Diana, Princess of Themyscira, and I'm here to help.

Sure, it was a cameo appearance, but even Mercy Graves had her fist name confirmed / spoken by Lex Luthor. Maybe I'm just misremembering?

 

[Willi Berg]

I saw this mentioned on another website - was Diana Prince / Wonder Woman never actually named during the entire movie? I know that the air hostess called out "Miss Prince" and no-one called her Wonder Woman (although Lex Luthor has apparently already decided her superhero name and designed her a nifty logo to use for publicising her heroic persona). But, I don't recall anyone ever calling her Diana. Is that right?

It's odd that Lex Luthor presumably invited her to his "invitation only" event, but never sought her out to play mind games with her about his knowledge of her past.

It's also a little odd that they didn't even have a single introductory line from Wonder Woman when she joined the final battle. Something like: I'm Diana, Princess of Themyscira, and I'm here to help.

Sure, it was a cameo appearance, but even Mercy Graves had her fist name confirmed / spoken by Lex Luthor. Maybe I'm just misremembering?

I'd have to see the movie again to see how much info there is in the Lex files they show, whether it has Diana Prince's name on the surveillance footage, folders etc. But no, we never got a formal intro of the name Diana or WW. Though Ben was able to track her down after seeing the footage (we don't know how) and sending her a message (with the photo.)

I guess Lex is not letting on what he knows of these heroes. We had him talking to Clark and Bruce at the party and then later on we find out

Spoiler

that Lex knows Clark is Superman, and used Lois as bait in Africa.

Snyder in the Empire podcast said that he thinks the name "Wonder Woman" is the kind of name someone keeping files on her would come up with, since it's simple (like the other heroes names). So that's why he has Lex come up with the names (!?)

Lex is the kind of character that seems to know everything, pulling all the strings, only revealing certain things when he wants etc.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I'd have to see the movie again to see how much info there is in the Lex files they show, whether it has Diana Prince's name on the surveillance footage, folders etc. But no, we never got a formal intro of the name Diana or WW. Though Ben was able to track her down after seeing the footage (we don't know how) and sending her a message (with the photo.)

Her name isn't mentioned. But she's an antiques dealer, she presented on several auctions, I'm sure they had guests names. She uses credit cards and so on. No point in wasting time on it in the film, how Bruce finds her. Not a problem.

Snyder in the Empire podcast said that he thinks the name "Wonder Woman" is the kind of name someone keeping files on her would come up with, since it's simple (like the other heroes names). So that's why he has Lex come up with the names (!?)

Even in the comics there was a scene where she's called "Wonder Woman" and she corrects "Diana". It's clearly a nickname, given to her by public or, in this case, by Lex. But how are they going to put it in everyone's mind in future movies - I don't know... I mean, Lex nicknamed them, but he's in jail. Either they won't be calling her WW in future films, or Lex will be freed and will be making speeches about meta-humans.

 

[haephestus]

Her name isn't mentioned. But she's an antiques dealer, she presented on several auctions, I'm sure they had guests names. She uses credit cards and so on. No point in wasting time on it in the film, how Bruce finds her. Not a problem.

When was it established in the film that she was an antiquities dealer? I also don't recall a scene with her presenting at auctions? Was that part of the background subjects in her email account when she was looking at Luthor's files sent to her by Batman?

I know merchandise, specifically the packaging for a statue, said that Diana Prince was an antiquities dealer, but I don't recall it being established in the film. Sure, she knew where the real sword of Alexander currently is, but I'm not sure that establishes an occupation as opposed to a general interest / specialty hobby.

Personally, I think it's pretty important to actually name her character. Can you imagine if Batman or Superman were appearing for the first time in a film and no-one ever actually spoke their superhero or "real" name?

 

[OutOfBoose]

When was it established in the film that she was an antiquities dealer? I also don't recall a scene with her presenting at auctions? Was that part of the background subjects in her email account when she was looking at Luthor's files sent to her by Batman?

It wasn't, actually, except for surveillance footage. I don't remember where I got it.

I know merchandise, specifically the packaging for a statue, said that Diana Prince was an antiquities dealer, but I don't recall it being established in the film. Sure, she knew where the real sword of Alexander currently is, but I'm not sure that establishes an occupation as opposed to a general interest / specialty hobby.

Yep, now it makes sense, and why I didn't bother. She was very knowledgeable about those things. Ultimately, it's still not a problem for Bruce to find her. Surveillance, credit cards, being present on events for rich people, she didn't really hide. She had an ID to travel between countries.

Personally, I think it's pretty important to actually name her character. Can you imagine if Batman or Superman were appearing for the first time in a film and no-one ever actually spoke their superhero or "real" name?

I agree it's weird. Last name is mentioned, the first name isn't. It would be perfectly fine if meta-human names were in those files.