World X-Men and Homosexuality: The Connection

[newwaveboy87]

pretty much.
like..."don't use the word of God to launch a war!!"

 

[squeekness]

True dat. Jesus must weep every day over us.

 

[littyx]

i have a feeling he'd come down and yell "THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT!!"

Did you take that from a Margaret Cho skit?

Also, about your feeling sorry for mothers of gay children. I think its funny when people say this. I mean, yeah, I get the whole you don't want your children to live harder lives, but what if a black person said "Hey, I'm not going to have a kid because they might discover that we don't live in a perfect world and they may experience racism."

Like you said, the rates are much higher for gay children to commit suicide then for straight kids. Well, A LOT of those kids that commit suicide are because their parents threw them out, or because the parents will not accept them. Yes, many gay kids commit suicide because of what society tells them, or what their peers think. But if the family is there to support them, and tell them that it is ok to be a homosexual, then there doesnt have to be anyone feeling sorry for mothers of gay kids.

I'm not coming down on you newwave, but I think its ridiculous when our society says that its harder for gay kids to grow up, when that same society is making it harder for them.

 

[newwaveboy87]

i already know all the statistics/facts/figures/etc. trust me.
i spend a lot of my free time looking into this...it's a bit of a passion? hobby? don't quite know the word.

i agree with what you said, but still, i feel bad for the parents. mostly it's ability to be so freaking empathetic to people.

i try to see all sides and understand all views. i see where they're coming from, and i just feel sorry for them.

 

[Avalanche]

i agree with what you said, but still, i feel bad for the parents. mostly it's ability to be so freaking empathetic to people.

Feeling sorry for my parents, or more precisely, my Mother since my Dad bailed when I was a kid, is exactly why I could never tell her about my sexuality. I know she'd try and be understanding, but she wouldn't be able to hide the disappointment, and I don't know how I'd handle her being so disappointed in me.

 

[littyx]

Feeling sorry for my parents, or more precisely, my Mother since my Dad bailed when I was a kid, is exactly why I could never tell her about my sexuality. I know she'd try and be understanding, but she wouldn't be able to hide the disappointment, and I don't know how I'd handle her being so disappointed in me.

So you shut your mom out? You hide a big part of your life to her, you don't include her on all the wonderful things you can be enjoying and sharing with your mother.

Why would your mother be so dissapointed in you? Because of something you cannot change? Because, as from a scientists perspective, of something that is probably genetically traced back to your mother. If you think your saving your mother the "dissapointment" by not telling her the truth. Your only making things much worse in the long run. Your mother is going through life having these expectations for you, wondering why things have gone a certain way. And she's completely in the dark about your lifestyle.
God people, were not pedophiles, were not drug addicts. This is something we do not need to feel ashamed or dissapointed about.

 

[squeekness]

If you feel she would be understanding and not toss you out, then all the more reason to tell her. Good relationships are based on a foundation of love and trust and honesty and one little secret can undermine all of that. She might wonder what else you haven't told her when there probably isn't anything, but it will nag at her just the same.

 

[newwaveboy87]

Feeling sorry for my parents, or more precisely, my Mother since my Dad bailed when I was a kid, is exactly why I could never tell her about my sexuality. I know she'd try and be understanding, but she wouldn't be able to hide the disappointment, and I don't know how I'd handle her being so disappointed in me.

i know, and understand, EXACTLY where you are coming from.
if you'd like to talk to me more about it, feel free to pm.

 

[newwaveboy87]

So you shut your mom out? You hide a big part of your life to her, you don't include her on all the wonderful things you can be enjoying and sharing with your mother.

Why would your mother be so dissapointed in you? Because of something you cannot change? Because, as from a scientists perspective, of something that is probably genetically traced back to your mother. If you think your saving your mother the "dissapointment" by not telling her the truth. Your only making things much worse in the long run. Your mother is going through life having these expectations for you, wondering why things have gone a certain way. And she's completely in the dark about your lifestyle.
God people, were not pedophiles, were not drug addicts. This is something we do not need to feel ashamed or dissapointed about.

you're speaking from a place where you're perfectly comfortable in stating who you are and how you feel. he might not be in the same place you are at, try and show some compassion and understanding. there is no rush to come out, you'll do it when you're good and ready John.

 

[littyx]

I know exactly where he's coming from newwave. And I'm not trying to be insensitive or uncompassionate. I am only giving him reasons as to why he should feel more comfortable in letting his mother know about himself. Why would I be telling you guys that "Hey, you know what, being in the closet is safe and warm and a good place to be." When I know that the opposite is true. When i came out I wasn't perfectly comfortable with who I was, nor am I today. But there is a reason why people come out....because it is necessary for our well being. How are we going to prosper if we are invisible?

 

[newwaveboy87]

he's not invisible.
we've had this discussion before, being gay is just a small piece of a larger whole. he needs to do it when he is good and ready, there's no need to try and force someone to do it. yes, it has its benefits but it also has its setbacks. people need to be ready for all of the emotional swings that are going to happen before, during, and after.

he'll do it in time. he'll do it when it is right for him.
no need to rush into this.

 

[littyx]

Are you out to your parents newwave?

 

[newwaveboy87]

yep.
well...not my dad, but i haven't seen him in almost 9 yrs so that really is a mute point these days.

 

[imaperson2]

dont you guys hate when gay guys take it a little too far? i have some gay kid in one of my classes and hes always screaming "i want some dick!" and hes always talking about him and his boyfriend so loudly. hes so annoying. i hate the feminine types, which he is. a GHETTO feminine type.

 

[newwaveboy87]

i don't hate them. at times, i am angered that they're usually the only section of the minority that the media chooses to focus in on and has become the stereotype, but i don't hate them.

 

[imaperson2]

it just gets annoying. i didnt say i hated them. i said i hated how they act...or "dislike". jason when did you come out?

 

[newwaveboy87]

when i was around your age.
the circumstances around it were different to yours. if it were up to me, i wouldn't have done it until i was in college...but oh well, life deals us some hardships and we make the best of them.

if anything, after all the drama that happened between my mother and i it brought our relationship to the place it is now. and i will freely admit it, yet again?, I AM A MAMA'S BOY!

 

[littyx]

dont you guys hate when gay guys take it a little too far? i have some gay kid in one of my classes and hes always screaming "i want some dick!" and hes always talking about him and his boyfriend so loudly. hes so annoying. i hate the feminine types, which he is. a GHETTO feminine type.

Umm, no. I don't "hate the feminine types". I don't hate anyone...well maybe Eminem. Anyway, it seems to me that many gay guys that dislike other "feminine" guys are the ones that are not comfortable with their sexuality, and they are scared that those kinds of guys are a representation of themselves. Some of my closest friends are effemeninate. 5 years ago, I probably wouldn't hang out with them. I was too scared about what other people would think about me associating with them. But now that I am comfortable with myself, I could care less. What does it matter if someone is effeminate? What are they doing to me? It's sad when gay men are discriminated against in their own community.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Like Ratner said, it's not just broken down to X-Men representing gays. It's X-Men representing all minority groups; gays, blacks, jews, etc.

But is there a certain minority group that Stan got the idea of the X-Men from?

 

[newwaveboy87]

well...if you look at the time frame they were around in there's several different influences that created them. The Civil Rights movement and the McCarthyism of the 50s are definitely big influences on the nature of the books.


and why does everyone point out that the X-Men is an allegory for all minorities? we understand that. this thread was designed for ONE of those minority groups. JUST THE ONE. no need to remind us that it serves other purposes, we're just talking about this one in here.

 

[Avalanche]

Anyway, it seems to me that many gay guys that dislike other "feminine" guys are the ones that are not comfortable with their sexuality, and they are scared that those kinds of guys are a representation of themselves.

I don't think that's true. To say that particular kind of gay guy is representative is to assume that all gay guys are feminine. Personally, while I might not be completely comfortable with my sexuality, I've made peace with it, and femine guys, to put it bluntly, get on my nerves.

I don't know, but I just don't get it. Why does being attractive to other guys seem to come with this femine stereotype? Is it not possible to be attracted to the same sex without some kind of personality overhall? I don't think a gay guy who is behaves straight in every other way than his attractions is uncomfortable with who he is, nor can the same be true if he doesn't hang around with a particular type of guy guy.

 

[imaperson2]

those feminine ones just get on my damn nerves. they are the stereotype of a gay man. maybe thats why i hate it. they make everyone think that thats what a gay man is.

 

[TheOnlyWay]

Hi Everyone.

I feel pity for those who only view comic book reading as a form of escapism. One of the reasons why I respect Bryan Singer so much is that he made the X-Men franchise into something more than just wondrous and strange people with wondrous and strange powers. At some point in time, we all feel like mutants. We all feel different from each other. This is true for everyone, but in a particular sense, more meaning is attributed to homosexuals in modern society. Homosexuals are the modern mutants since they are often the targets of hate crimes. They are often viewed as a "moral plague" by the Evangelical Right. Even up to this day, the year 2006, we still do not recognize that they should have the same civil rights as heterosexual people enjoy. Even up to this day, homosexuals are viewed as annoyances, plagues, and unnaturals. It is this type of poisonous perspective which has allowed society in general to ignore the problems of prejudice and discrimination towards homosexuals. It is unfortunate but we still live in a patriarchal-dominated society where males are expected to affirm their masculinity through aggression, violence, and anger. It is these types of cultural influences which has allowed perpetual violence towards homosexuals and it is being largely ignored. We are seeing the modern genoicde occur before our eyes, much like the X-Men depicts in the animated series with a land like "Genosha" where mutants anticipated a place of paradise, free of persecution, yet when they arrive they are confronted by the Sentinels (who are also metaphors of people who perpetrate hate crimes; KKK, religious extremists, etc) and are placed in detention camps (metaphor for concentration camps that Nazi Germany harbored around Europe).

Chris Clarement, who is the writer of the Uncanny X-Men wrote that the X-Men are mutants who are collectively feared, hated, and despised for no other reason than that they are mutants. Much like homosexuals. There is no other reason for people to hate them except that many believe that we are "unnatural", "perverted", "morally plagued", and if you look into our leaders, we are "sinful" and undeserving of civil recognition. To say that we live in an era free of discrimination is to say that Global Warming is a myth created by GreenPeace activists. I remember that the X-Men released a part of the series that dealed with the Legacy Virus, which is parallel to the AIDS virus. The Legacy Virus was a virus seen as something only attacking mutants. Much like the AIDS epidemic, homosexuals were viewed as the only ones who are affected by the virus and were thus ostracized even more. That is not until they discovered that the heterosexual population was being affected at a much higher rate in the early 90's.

The X-Men are metaphors for homosexuals. We can't deny that.

 

[newwaveboy87]

so....how has everyone been?

 

[newwaveboy87]

I don't think that's true. To say that particular kind of gay guy is representative is to assume that all gay guys are feminine. Personally, while I might not be completely comfortable with my sexuality, I've made peace with it, and femine guys, to put it bluntly, get on my nerves.

I don't know, but I just don't get it. Why does being attractive to other guys seem to come with this femine stereotype? Is it not possible to be attracted to the same sex without some kind of personality overhall? I don't think a gay guy who is behaves straight in every other way than his attractions is uncomfortable with who he is, nor can the same be true if he doesn't hang around with a particular type of guy guy.

those feminine ones just get on my damn nerves. they are the stereotype of a gay man. maybe thats why i hate it. they make everyone think that thats what a gay man is.

this is exactly why a lot of the homosexual community is angered by the media. in order for us to be considered gay we must all become screaming queens. it's not true, but that's what popular media wants us to believe. this is also why young homosexuals engage in sexual activity at a younger rate - we've been shown to be promiscuous in popular culture, in order to be gay, we must act in a similar fashion, or so many a youth thinks. it's wrong. it needs to change.

you don't have to be the stereotype in order to be gay...and if you are naturally inclined to be more effeminate that's fine. that's your nature. but it's wrong to showcase all of us as being the effeminate type.