Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 6

[Erzengel]

Well that and their box office isn't nearly as impressive as what Marvel and DC have done. Both of them have had billion dollar grossers in the past decade. Fox has only even hit $700 million twice.

Meanwhile, while Marvel and DC show us things at this year's SDCC, Fox doesn't even thought though Wolverine 3 drops before next years SDCC.

 

[GuestStar2004]

If fox really got going they could have had new mutants and/or gambit filming and they could have shown that and wolverine, but right now fox doesn't have a lot to show compared to marvel and DC

I dunno why it takes fox so long to get these things in production

 

[psylockolussus]

Considering the Top 9 grossing domestic movies fall under one of these categories:

Comic Book (4 movies)
Animated (4 movies)
Live Action Remake (1 movie)

Comic Book movies have become the new action movies. Meanwhile, Alice 2, Ghostbusters, Independence Day are struggling to even make $100M.

But Comic book movies are usually action movies. It's NOT a separate genre. Same as movies based on a videogame or books or a TV show. Yeah category sure, but a genre, no. I don't see it replacing Action movies when movies like BvS, Deadpool are action movies.

 

[superweirdo87]

Unless DC movies makes movies people tend to dislike, the X-Men might be the first to go because of the terms of their agreement. WB and Disney have merchandise and Fox does not.

 

[Erzengel]

But Comic book movies are usually action movies. It's NOT a separate genre. Same as movies based on a videogame or books or a TV show. Yeah category sure, but a genre, no. I don't see it replacing Action movies when movies like BvS, Deadpool are action movies.

Yes they are but I think a lot of people think of them as comic book movies first.

It might be a matter of semantics however.

 

[psylockolussus]

Yes they are but I think a lot of people think of them as comic book movies first.

You mean the people here in this forum or the people who are updated with movies? But when it comes to the casual audience, not all of them are aware that a film is based on a comic-book or would care if its based from a comic-book.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

Looks like this movie has a better RT rating than Suicide Squad.

 

[psylockolussus]

What it has to do with the box-office thread? Are we gonna turn another X-Men thread about Suicide Squad like the X-Men news thread? And it doesn't matter if it got a better rating especially the film also got a rotten rating.

 

[DavidHaller]

What it has to do with the box-office thread? Are we gonna turn another X-Men thread about Suicide Squad like the X-Men news thread? And it doesn't matter if it got a better rating especially the film also got a rotten rating.

I will never understand all this thread cencorship facism that is going on in this highly policed forum culture...let people discuss what they want to discuss...

Speak your mind lil' RLAAMJR!

 

[SAUspartan]

Looks like this movie has a better RT rating than Suicide Squad.

Yep! Better Rated then the DC films by a lot.

 

[Superhero 101]

ss will still probably make more then xa

 

[def28]

Bad year. If not for Civil War and Deadpool comic films would be in some serious backlash as a whole.

Hated Apocalypse, but hated Suicide Squad even more. Even if SS makes a ton of money opening week this film will hurt the brand and characters in the future much like Apocalypse will hurt the next X-Men film. Just disappointing.

 

[moonclaw]

meh the x-men brand will be fine.

 

[def28]

With that kind of thinking why wouldn't DC as well?

Both of these brands will see more drops if the quality doesn't go up. There's no escaping that. You are already seeing it. Anyone who thinks a stronger film won't make a difference is kidding themselves.

 

[jaymes_e06]

No one said that you're doom and gloom outlook just isn't shared with everyone. It will be fine as long as quality is good next film. Same for DC films.

 

[moonclaw]

what's done is done, just move on to the next movie. Fox have alot talented guys on x-men.

brian singer, josh boone, james mangold, doug liman, tim miller and matthew vaughn could replace singer as the main guy. that's an all star squad right there.

they even got the fargo guy working on legion. The x-men are good.

 

[Storm22]

They do need to work out a solid structure for all the movies going forward though. That is one thing Marvel and now DC seem to be doing well, linking all their stories/ movies. With Deadpool now proving a success, they need to decide if they're going to try bring him into the current X-Men universe or vice versa. If they decide to feature mainstream, established X-Men in Deadpool it should be the characters we already know, not new versions of them. That just confuses things too much.

I think the first step should be to scrap the different decades aspect. That's been done now. Bring the movies into the present, in the new/ alternate timeline and take things from there.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I personally think people over think or over estimate having deadpool and X-Men going in the same time period because they ain't gonna have X-Men and deadpool cross overs every movie, we may get one cross over for novalty sake and thats it because there is no reason to keep going back to deadpool and the X-Men over and over and honestly i think having deadpool in an X-Men movie would also make audiences expect Deadpool to always be there with the X-MEN and when he ain't then people will make a fuss that he ain't there like they do with wolverine with the only difference being deadpool may be a little more popular at the moment then wolverine.

The X-Men need to be able to survive on their own in their own movie with no support first and foremost, if they can't do that and need wolverine or even deadpool crutches then its like bandaging a wound so no one sees it but forgetting you may wanna disinfect the wound just to be on the safe side because when you take it off... it may not look so good.

 

[def28]

what's done is done, just move on to the next movie. Fox have alot talented guys on x-men.

brian singer, josh boone, james mangold, doug liman, tim miller and matthew vaughn could replace singer as the main guy. that's an all star squad right there.

they even got the fargo guy working on legion. The x-men are good.

X-Men needs a new creative team. Singer and Kinberg won't be helping much from a creative standpoint anymore. Time to move on.

When I see said move, Ill be more optimistic. This board would have been much different had people been saying X-Men would not even make it to $600m. I've seen this franchise fall and bring itself back before. But it's gotta start actually fixing it's mistakes without creating new ones. This franchise is just too old now.

I think the first step should be to scrap the different decades aspect. That's been done now. Bring the movies into the present, in the new/ alternate timeline and take things from there.

Yeah, jumping decades will do more bad then good. Stay in the 80s or move to the present. I agree that at this point I'd rathe see modern times. Apocalypse, aside from a song and outfits didn't benefit from being in the 80s. It just feels like they are trying to get to the present now anyways.

 

[moonclaw]

what about using the present day movies to build into x-force, wolverine, deadpool and gambit.

introduce X-23 in wolverine 3 and she later joins the x-force team
cable in deadpool 2
sinister in gambit.

 

[def28]

Totally agree and I hope they go with that as it makes the most sense. Problem with that is the main X-Men IP will start to be left in the dust with X-Force now being the main center of the this world. Outside of Kinberg allegedly being involved with writing X-Force that film has the most potential for the franchise. Given IP's like Wolverine, Deadpool and Gambit can all take place within each other and Fox plans out an Avenger like scenario. They have the perfect potential to lay out X-Force as a major crossover. If Deadpool 2 plays it's cards right with Cable and Domino and is as well received as Deadpool 1, then X-Force is gonna be huge with anticipation for audiences.

X-Force is a branch of X-Men though, one way or the other the X-Men will have to be included. You can't ignore them. If they focus on the modern X-Men team then again that leaves this younger team and main IP without the proper interaction looking more like a spin of themselves unless they contrive something with time travel which will only last for a film.

 

[GuestStar2004]

A cross over would only last one movie anyway, Its unlikely it would come to more then one movie because there is no reason to over do that concept anyway, X-men and X-force team up again for th 5th time in 10 years!

As for X-force... It will be big aslong as deadpool is part of it, X-force wouldnt be a sure fire thing if it wasn't for deadpool

 

[moonclaw]

I was thinking the same thing, if the solo movies succeed, the main team could become redundant. IF wolverine 3 is a big hit critically and financial building towards x-force would be the clear logical next step, gambit would be in production around the release of wolverine.

Another clear advantage the solo movies have is they can be made for much cheaper.

the wolverine 120 million, 415 million box office and 80 million in dvd and blu ray(not including digital sales)
deadpool 60 million, 780 million box office, 55 million dvd sales.

They're spending less money on the solos with better returns.

 

[def28]

Agreed.

A cross over would only last one movie anyway, Its unlikely it would come to more the one movie because there is no reason to over do that concept with the same characters, Ths is totally different to be MCU

If X-Force is a success they will have more then one crossover. These characters won't disappear from other IP's though. The majority can and should be interacting with each other through multiple films.

Colossus in Deadpool, Jean in Wolverine, Prof X in the Wolverine and New Mutants, Gambit won't be solo for long etc. Outside of main crossovers there will be other times to crossover. characters.

The main thing is making sure these characters can interact with each other. Making it so they can't won't do them any favors.

 

[JEM]

It 's why i think New Mutant is very important. If Mcavoy and Shipp are still in, mainline X-Men movies will be in past. If they change their plan, we could have some surprise.