Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 6

SAUspartan said:
First Class didn't even do 400 million. Let's face it. Marvel Disney has sabatoged Fox enough where it just won't ever make more than DOFP. Not Fox's fault.
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problem fox has is disney is hurting their ability to promate the films.

now films being good or bad is totally fox.

original trilogy and origins were all helped by having merchandize.

since then only DOFP was able to get their attention fueled by return of original cast.deadpool is totally different ballgame.
 
def28 said:
Marvel is sabotaging DC too! Forcing them to make bad movies with poor scripts. :hehe:

IF only the MCU didn't exist, then Fox's faults with comic movies wouldn't either. Wait a minute, the mcu didn't exist when X3, F4, F42, and Elektra were out. Interesting, maybe it's just the creative teams fault that they didn't make a film fans loved or one that gained the attention of audiences? Maybe if XMOW and X3 were well received a bit more then X-Men First Class would have had an easier time at the box office?

Fox has one of the best rated comics this year flicks that broke records and didn't even need China or a PG-13 to pull in over 700m. Which makes fun of the series own faults with Deadpool. The studio is more then capable as are the creative teams to make good films...and making their own mistakes.
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Don't forget Disney paying off the critics.

The franchise is also old. Much older than the MCU. And really, with the onslaught of comic movies, it is very easy for some to get lost in the shuffle.
 
ImSGirl95 said:
The first movie had independency. Why? Because Kinberg and co didn't have faith in the movie. And it blew in their faces.
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If anything it was likely FOX who had no faith in it, Kinberg and Co were likely not the ones stopping it getting made as producers only get to be producers when fox give the green light to a project.
 
psylockolussus said:
Wow. Another excuse.:o

DOFP was sandwiched by Maleficent (which outgrossed DOFP worldwide and U.S.) and Godzilla (which earned $500 million) and was still able to get 750 million worldwide. While Apocalypse's biggest competition was Civil War which was released 3 weeks (4 weeks in international markets) before Apocalypse's release in America.
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Tbf alot of films have struggled this year, just look at independence day resergence, good old nostalgia didn't really help them there.
 
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disney paying off critics is crazy talk.if so it didn't help non marvel disney films.

Apocalypse was never going to outgross DOFP.it didn't have original cast as
hook like DOFP did.

Independence day was much bigger disaster from fox than apocalypse.

Untill we hear more concerate news on Next X-Men film it seems after
wolverine film X-men franchise main projects will be deadpool II and new mutants.Gmabit may be officially dead after losing another director.
 
Why would Disney pay off critics? Wouldn't it be easier to just buy the rights back? :huh:

What Disney is doing is slowly killing the Fox movies by doing business decisions. No merchandise, no new characters, no comic promotions..........little things like that. The only thing Fox gets back is a percentage of movie receipts and even then, Disney gets a percentage of that as well. They don't have to pay off critics because they are just falling back from pushing them.
 
I think things are a bit more complicated between the two.

Marvel comics is making NTW visually more like she is in Deadpool and making her a big part of one of his series. While Bendis created quite a few more mutants like Eva Bell, Triage etc.

So why would Marvel comics push an X-Men character who didn't have a fan base till Fox's films? They know she's popular now and is banking on that. I don't think they mind if Fox makes them money. They also do tie X-Men comics and their films, Apocalypse Wars came out obviously cause of the film. Official film merch just won't happen until another deal is made but...

Marvel is also now making TV shows with Fox. If they want the X-Men to die, that's not a smart way to do it by expanding and supporting the X-Men on tv. Marvel could have passed, as tv has a much bigger influence then modern comics.

As far as new characters that has been a big complaint all around, Marvel pushes different characters almost always for diversity in legacy roles but that's about it. There haven't been any new break out characters not attached to legacy titles that they actually push.

X-Men isn't the only one with that issue, and their titles still sell better then most.

I think Eva Bell and Silk have been the only new characters this decade I've cared about.
 
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Marvel certainly changed after iron man came out, I mean origins was the last movie to get marvel support in that regard, like the wolverine and the X-men cartoon had came out that same year as origins, there were toys, the video game they brought out was pretty well put together which some claim it's better then the actual movie.
 
Not saying things didn't but that's in the line of in movie tie-ins and merch.

How do we explain Legion? They support the Deadpool film as well. http://comicbook.com/2015/11/19/marvel-releasing-new-deadpool-daredevil-punisher-jessica-jones-p/
Marvel has announced its merchandising and retail plans for its adult-oriented characters, including Daredevil, The Punisher, Jessica Jones and Deadpool. The marketing strategy is specially designed to target older fans who enjoy Marvel’s Netflix series, and who are looking forward to the upcoming R-rated Deadpool movie.
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Given that X-Men members are characters (with some to be lead), they would have to cut Deadpool merch off. Which we all know won't happen. And given that Domino and Cable in Deadpool 2 are about to make their comic counterparts significantly more popular. Marvel comics are gonna push them even more so then what they are doing to NTW.

There are just too many contradictions to say one thing or the other. I think the bottom line is that the X-Men merch deal sucks, and until it's changed it's gonna continue to.
 
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^If that's the case it should have worked with X:A as it had Wolverine.
 
def28 said:
Not saying things didn't but that's in the line of in movie tie-ins and merch.

How do we explain Legion? They support the Deadpool film as well. http://comicbook.com/2015/11/19/marvel-releasing-new-deadpool-daredevil-punisher-jessica-jones-p/


Given that X-Men members are characters (with some to be lead), they would have to cut Deadpool merch off. Which we all know won't happen. And given that Domino and Cable in Deadpool 2 are about to make their comic counterparts significantly more popular. Marvel comics are gonna push them even more so then what they are doing to NTW.

There are just too many contradictions to say one thing or the other. I think the bottom line is that the X-Men merch deal sucks, and until it's changed it's gonna continue to.
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Sans the recent revival of NTW as a character, would live action Deadpool looking exactly like comic book Deadpool be an important distinction in why Deadpool got merchandise? They wouldn't have to split profits that way, they're technically not using Ryan's face or anything (unless we got a mask-less figure of Wade with Ryan's likeness used), whereas any other live action adaptation might be different because they have an actors' face that's not in any MCU film.

The TV rights are a separate issue, they need to collaborate to make that thing go since neither can make a show without each other's permission. But I feel like with Deadpool that might make a difference? If we don't get any Cable/Domino that resemble the actors or use the live action versions then it might be clearer down the line.
 
def28 said:
Not saying things didn't but that's in the line of in movie tie-ins and merch.

How do we explain Legion? They support the Deadpool film as well. http://comicbook.com/2015/11/19/marvel-releasing-new-deadpool-daredevil-punisher-jessica-jones-p/


Given that X-Men members are characters (with some to be lead), they would have to cut Deadpool merch off. Which we all know won't happen. And given that Domino and Cable in Deadpool 2 are about to make their comic counterparts significantly more popular. Marvel comics are gonna push them even more so then what they are doing to NTW.

There are just too many contradictions to say one thing or the other. I think the bottom line is that the X-Men merch deal sucks, and until it's changed it's gonna continue to.
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The Street reported back in February that the Deadpool deal is more favorable for Marvel than the 90s X-Men agreement, which justifies the additional investment in the property. I believe all of the video game, figurines and Hot Topics merch were comic based, so the licensing fees all ended up with the Mouse as well.

https://www.thestreet.com/story/134...dpool-is-paying-dividends-for-disney-too.html

With the two studios partnering on TV programming I wouldn't be surprised to see thawing on the X-Men side going forward.
 
Since none of that is substantiated with any proof or trusted sources I'll take it with a grain of salt.
 
jaymes_e06 said:
Since none of that is substantiated with any proof or trusted sources I'll take it with a grain of salt.
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What are you having difficulty believing? The idea that Deadpool is on a separate, more lucrative deal explains a lot about the enormous difference in how Disney/Marvel treated FOX's February and May releases.
 
Smilodon said:
Sans the recent revival of NTW as a character, would live action Deadpool looking exactly like comic book Deadpool be an important distinction in why Deadpool got merchandise? They wouldn't have to split profits that way, they're technically not using Ryan's face or anything (unless we got a mask-less figure of Wade with Ryan's likeness used), whereas any other live action adaptation might be different because they have an actors' face that's not in any MCU film.

The TV rights are a separate issue, they need to collaborate to make that thing go since neither can make a show without each other's permission. But I feel like with Deadpool that might make a difference? If we don't get any Cable/Domino that resemble the actors or use the live action versions then it might be clearer down the line.
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I think the issue here though is that people keep thinking Marvel wants to "kill" the X-Men for good. If they were seriously trying to do that they wouldn't be green lighting tv shows, not just allowing but making their NTW look like Fox's and all the other stuff mentioned. It also would have happened years ago, not be a 7 year sold burn. They have the power to stop their books after any reboot in the books very easily. The only thing completely dead is the merch tie-in for films.

Marvel treats Deadpool like a superstar be it tied into the film or not and the dude is a member of the X-Men family. Since X-Men are constantly around him in everything like films, games, comics etc and on teams with the X-Men like X-Force and Uncanny Avengers it boosts the X-Men as well. People didn't walk into the Deadpool film and become less aware of Colossus and NTW. It boosted their credibility with more audiences then any X-Men film.
 
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def28 said:
I think the issue is people keep thinking Marvel wants to "kill" the X-Men for good. If they were seriously trying to do that they wouldn't be green lighting tv shows, not just allowing but making their NTW look like Fox's and all the other stuff mentioned. It would have happened years ago. The only thing completely dead is the merch tie-in for films.

Marvel treats Deadpool like a superstar be it tied into the film or not and the dude is a member of the X-Men family. Since X-Men are constantly around him in everything like films, games, comics etc and on teams with the X-Men like X-Force and Uncanny Avengers it boosts the X-Men as well. People didn't walk into the Deadpool film and become less aware of Colossus and NTW. It boosted their credibility with more audiences then any X-Men film.
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We are in agreement there. Deadpool will boost everyone's visibility and that needs to be taken advantage of. I was just saying Deadpool is a bit different merchandise-wise. Disney is just doing business though, and as Legion shows, when the circumstances are right, both sides can come to an agreement. We're just not there (nor may we ever get there.)
 
Smilodon said:
We are in agreement there. Deadpool will boost everyone's visibility and that needs to be taken advantage of. I was just saying Deadpool is a bit different merchandise-wise. Disney is just doing business though, and as Legion shows, when the circumstances are right, both sides can come to an agreement. We're just not there (nor may we ever get there.)
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For sure, outside of the usual hot toys and a few other things there wasn' even any real heavy movie merchandising going on. But nobody is gonna notice cause Deadpool comic merch is everywhere supporting the films for the masses and he looks just like the film. As does his logo.
 
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GuestStar2004 said:
Its more for the franchise as a whole then it is one movie
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bringing back original cast and then having meeting of the xaviers and having wolverine interacting in non-cameo with first class cast created a lot of
excitement for GA despite lack of merchandize.
 
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