Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 6

[psylockolussus]

They should be much further and established with characters then they are I agree with that. It's taking far too long for them to catch up and establish essentials well.

Shadowcat and Iceman were heading that way during X3. While Rogue could have been easily redeemed in a follow-up since the cure wasn't permanent. And Storm looked like Prof X's replacement as the headmaster of the X-Mansion at the end of X3.

Its FOX's fascination with the spin-offs that we are in this state right now, that they had to shoe-horn the likes of Gambit/Emma then wasted Psylocke/Angel for the 2nd time and make Magneto/Mystique as the "leads for a new trilogy". Yeah the films didn't feature the "expensive" original cast but in-exchange of box-office slump? They are doing it wrong!

 

[DavidHaller]

Out of all the 9 X-Men films so far. Its First Class and Apocalypse that did not/will not meet its production budget to its North America box-office gross. Do we need a third one?

maybe they should just stop to care so much about the United States and promote this movie series stronger worldwide?! lol

'X-Men: Apocalypse' is the second (!) most successful X-Men team movie in the entire series!

 

[def28]

Guardians and deadpool has shown you do not need familiar faces and if this franchise does then perhaps its just standing on crutches right now with no medical care

But this isn't a new IP like those. X-Men as a film series has been around for 16 years.

X-Force, Deadpool, Ant-Man, Doc Strange or any other new IP has a different effect on audiences then one they have seen before and have expectations with.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Tye sheridan said he had never watched an X-men movie before getting the part and lana condor said she was more an avengers girl before gettin the part.

 

[psylockolussus]

well, difficult discussion without any data to back up our opinions. lol

Box-office Mojo says hi

X1's budget - 75 million, earned $150 million plus in U.S. Alone
X2's budget - 110 million, earned $214 million plus in U.S. Alone
X3's budget - 200 million, earned $234 million plus in U.S. Alone
X4's budget - 200 million, earned $233 million plus in U.S. Alone

W1's budget - 150 million, earned $178 million plus in U.S. Alone
W2's budget - 120 million, earned $134 million plus in U.S. Alone
D1's budget - 58 million, earned $363 million plus in U.S. Alone

FC's budget - 160 million, earned $146 million plus in U.S. Alone
A's budget - 178 million, earned $146 million plus in U.S. Alone after 4 weeks

Yeah I had no data.

 

[GuestStar2004]

But this isn't a new IP like those. X-Men as a film series has been around for 16 years.

X-Force, Deadpool or any other new IP has a different effect on audiences then one they have seen before and have expectations with.

You mean like batman and spiderman?

when it comes to the new breed of heroes i think people are done with even jackman as wolverine apart from the contpnued loyal fanbase

 

[psylockolussus]

But this isn't a new IP like those. X-Men as a film series has been around for 16 years.

X-Force, Deadpool, Ant-Man, Doc Strange or any other new IP has a different effect on audiences then one they have seen before and have expectations with.

This is nothing different from TASM films not outgrossing the original SM trilogy in North America.

And there's a possibility for a X-Men team film being more successful than the previous X-Me team films... but with the box-office reports... its NOT with the First Class cast and the younger version that we just saw in Apocalypse. They are in the shadow of OT/DOFP's success and they didn't even headline DOFP alone.

 

[def28]

First Class and DOFP were received quite well so I think it's different in that case. But this cast was not as critic proof as the original, and with them just now introducing an even newer cast they won't have much appeal themselves.

You mean like batman and spiderman?

when it comes to the new breed of heroes i think people are done with even jackman as wolverine apart from the contpnued loyal fanbase

Did Spider-Man and Batman disappear from their films? I'm not following your point.

 

[DavidHaller]

Box-office Mojo says hi

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Yeah I had no data.

No, you obviously do not have any useful data for this discusion! That these movies have been successful says NOTHING why they have been particularly successful. Was it the theme of the movie? The actors? the marketing? the lack of competition in the season? critical reception? etc. etc. etc. THESE are the difficult parameter to answer...

+ you can ignore it as much as you like but the global boxoffice matters!

 

[GuestStar2004]

Did Spider-Man and Batman disappear from their films? I'm not following your point.

i was talking about cast changes

 

[psylockolussus]

maybe they should just stop to care so much about the United States and promote this movie series stronger worldwide?! lol

'X-Men: Apocalypse' is the second (!) most successful X-Men team movie in the entire series!

"lol"

Tickets are more expensive nowadays, IMAX's screens continue to grow worldwide, more American films are being screened in China where the market there is bigger than 10 years ago. Just because it earned more than a half a billion compare to X1/X2/X3 worldwide, doesn't make it more "successful".

So are you saying Batman v. Superman is more successful than Batman Begins which, because BvS earned 800 million and BB earned less than 600 million worldwide?

"lol"

Okay just say that Warcraft is more successful than X-Men because it earned more than $296 million worldwide.

"lol"

 

[jaymes_e06]

No, you obviously do not have any useful data for this discusion! That these movies have been successful says NOTHING why they have been particularly successful. Was it the theme of the movie? The actors? the marketing? the lack of competition in the season? critical reception? etc. etc. etc. THESE are the difficult parameter to answer...

+ you can ignore it as much as you like but the global boxoffice matters!

 

[psylockolussus]

No, you obviously do not have any useful data for this discusion! That these movies have been successful says NOTHING why they have been particularly successful. Was it the theme of the movie? The actors? the marketing? the lack of competition in the season? critical reception? etc. etc. etc. THESE are the difficult parameter to answer...

+ you can ignore it as much as you like but the global boxoffice matters!

North America box-office numbers aren't useful data in the box-office thread. Mind-blown!

And I'm not ignoring global box-office numbers, last time I checked, it didn't match DOFP/Deadpool's global numbers?

 

[def28]

+ you can ignore it as much as you like but the global boxoffice matters!

X3 and X2 would have destroyed these numbers in todays international market.

 

[psylockolussus]

X3 and X2 would have destroyed these numbers in todays international market.

Especially if they had IMAX/3D.

And those movies weren't even released in China, if they were, China's market wasn't strong yet.

And people intend to forget about "inflated movie ticket prices" which is happening WORLDWIDE!

 

[DavidHaller]

North America box-office numbers aren't useful data in the box-office thread. Mind-blown!

gosh, this is pointless. I'm outta here.

 

[psylockolussus]

Don't let the door hit you.

 

[def28]

i was talking about cast changes

But do you think introducing a new cast playing the same characters in a lesser received and less successful film in the same universe is comparable to a full on reboot with one major comic character? Or a new fresh IP?

This film needed to be good for this cast. Now they are a risk in an already jumbled franchise IP that audiences are losing interest in. DOFP did rely on the old cast for marketing one way or the other and brought them the most successful of this trilogy. Now the first film not featuring them again wasn't well received.

I was all for going a new direction (First Class is my favorite) but the original cast and characters had more success, even with poor films. Can't deny that any more. This one lost major box office right when the quality went down. X3 and even XMOW regardless of being leaked prior to release, had a more impressive run.

 

[psylockolussus]

this cast was not as critic proof as the original

And that answers which cast is more marketable. X3 did not need the approval of critics to slay X2's box-office numbers. While Apocalypse can't even slay Origin's box-office numbers, given that it had 3D tickets and tickets are twice more expensive than it was in 2009.

And yet they want to bring back the cast that isn't more critic proof? because the OT cast is expensive and that they didn't to let go?

Then worldwide, the fact its not even hitting $500 million outside America is also a big red flag. From where I live (not in North America), there's a big difference between the movie ticket price in 2014/2016. and IMAX tickets has gotten more expensive compare to 2011 when I saw Harry Potter.

 

[GuestStar2004]

But do you think introducing a new cast playing the same characters in a lesser received and less successful film in the same universe is comparable to a full on reboot with one major comic character? Or a new fresh IP?

This film needed to be good for this cast. Now they are a risk in an already jumbled franchise IP that audiences are losing interest in.

I was all for going a new direction (First Class is my favorite) but the original cast and characters had more success, even with poor films. Can't deny that any more. This one lost track right when the quality went down. X3 and even XMOW regardless of being leaked prior to release, had a more impressive run.

Yeah X3 was the peak, although 2006 pre MCU was a different time, then origins with just jackman did well also considering alot of things hut obviously the franchise lost its way, the wolverine box office didn't improve on origins when you take into account the 3D and infact domestically it dropped abit below FC even with famke involved, the franchise is the underdog currently and if it needs all the OC to keep it floating in a good place box office wise then yeah its on crutches and even then its not like it would be at a risk of going down ether, and thats if we say the extra money dofp made was all on the OC and their involvement

 

[ApophènX]

While Apocalypse can't even slay Origin's box-office numbers, given that it had 3D tickets and tickets are twice more expensive than it was in 2009.

Yeah but it's because tickets price are higher that the critical view of the film plays so much a role. Plus people already paid that much money for CW and a lot of other movie this year. It's not superhero fatigue but a combination of the high prices and bad timing/review. And the franchise is the oldest out there and it's not SW or alike

As for me i went see it 3 times because i found a secret reduction code on the internet for my cinema ^^ 5 (or 7 for 3d) with atmos sound. but appart that most people get their ticket at 15 so ... even myself i wouldn't pay that much to see much superhero stuff

 

[Kanon]

+ you can ignore it as much as you like but the global boxoffice matters!

WW Boxoffice has changed too much in recent years, the market is completely different and so, it can't be used as parameter to compare movies from 10+ years ago

 

[Sithborg]

The old cast brought in quite a bit more audiences. We do know that.

First Class and DOFP should have had enough good will to bring the series back to high numbers. That wasn't the case here. It will be interesting how Wolverine does.

No, it was the team up that brought in the audiences. And much like Avengers, that was a one time boost.

Also, any theoretical gain from continuing with the old cast would be completely negated by the cost of bringing them back.

 

[def28]

No, it was the team up that brought in the audiences. And much like Avengers, that was a one time boost.

After seeing the returns here I strongly disagree. X-Men films starring Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart have just performed better. Just the announcements of Kitty, Iceman, Wolverine, Rogue and Storm made the biggest headlines and grabbed interest. There were more characters from X-Men 3 then First Class used to advertised and gain hype for the film.

DOFP did not play out like a crossover of multiple IP's. It was one IP that was bringing back familiar faces after a long break with the same characters we have seen before only younger. Big difference between crossing over say multiple IP's like Gambit, Deadpool and Wolverine into a new title.

X-Men is X-Men.

 

[GuestStar2004]

No, it was the team up that brought in the audiences. And much like Avengers, that was a one time boost.

In terms of the gimmick yeah it probably did help it, same with introducing robots and time travel into a series compared to the previous 4 movies and the 2 wolverine movies which never pushed the boat that far.