Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - Part 4

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[Mulholland-Jr]

But now, changing the subject, Joss Whedon talked about the lack of female superheroes movies. He said: "Marvel is in a position of making a statement simply by making [a female-led] movie, which I think would be a good thing to do. But it has to be a good movie, it has to be a good character, and most of the best characters in Marvel are owned by Fox, let's face it!"

And yet his next Avengers movies continues to be male dominated...

 

[psylockolussus]

I would love a X-Men spin-off featuring only female characters. Storm, Jean, Psylocke, Kitty and Rogue.

That would be really cool but it would have a budget of a TV show. So I'd rather see that on film.

"Marvel is in a position of making a statement simply by making [a female-led] movie, which I think would be a good thing to do. But it has to be a good movie, it has to be a good character, and most of the best characters in Marvel are owned by Fox, let's face it!"

I don't want to speak about who has the "best" characters. But Fox and Sony have the best Rogue galleries in the Marvel Universe. Magneto, Apocalypse, Sinister, Dark Phoenix, Sabretooth, Mystique, Juggernaut Sentinels, Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Venom, Doctor Doom, Galactus. They easily trumped the rogue galleries of Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Avengers and those characters who are just about to get a solo film and some of their villains are probably shared with Fox.

EDIT; I just read the article, yeah in terms of female characters, Fox got the best female characters from the Marvel Universe, like just in the comics. Storm, Jean, Psylocke, Rogue, Emma Frost, Kitty Pryde, Invisible Woman, Mystique easily trump Black Widow, Ms. Marvel, Wasp, Spider-Woman, She Hulk, Elektra, Gamora, Medusa and Scarlet IMO. Scarlet Witch is also part of the X-Men universe. The rest like, Pepper Potts, Jane Frost, Mary Jane, Gwen are mostly seen as a love interest.

 

[def28]

And yet his next Avengers movies continues to be male dominated...

Of course it is gonna have the same leads as Avengers 1. Did you expect him to replace the 4 male stars of the first with characters who have yet to be introduced while they only have 1 Avengers film under their belt?[BLACKOUT] It's pretty much confirmed that rosters gone by part 3.[/BLACKOUT]We know what happens when you shove too many characters in a script as well.

What other female characters can they even add for this story that could take over those roles? Wasp has yet to be introduced and is showing up in Ant Man. Captain Marvel [BLACKOUT]is rumored to appear in AOU and has her own film.[/BLACKOUT] Tigra? She Hulk? Jessica Drew? White Tiger? There are not many options here. Which is why Whedon made that X-Men comment. Let alone leaders like Cap, funders like Stark or power hitters like Thor. You have to set stuff like that up. Mocking Bird would be an easy addition. But again she can't fill those main roles. She's more a Hawkeye or Black Widow replacement. They would have to rewrite everything their films have done to take those main roles out.

A big reason SW and QS are in this is because they serve a different role then just adding more to the roster for the heck of it and for a more diverse power selection. There is an [BLACKOUT]Academy [/BLACKOUT]in AOU so you very well may see more female characters.

 

[ciscostudent561]

Y u spoiling the movie bro

 

[def28]

Y u spoiling the movie bro

Figured the few things I mentioned were pretty much well known at this point. Sorry, I blacked out possible spoilers and rumors.

 

[psylockolussus]

Aghhh spoilers, I don't even go to AOU forums to avoid them and now they are here!

 

[Lip]

And yet his next Avengers movies continues to be male dominated...

I'm sure this is not up to him... He is not allowed to add whoever he wants.

 

[def28]

I'm sure this is not up to him... He is not allowed to add whoever he wants.

Pretty sure he can now, with very few exceptions. Or to the extent that it's not a completely illogical decision that he himself would have issues with. He's creative consultant on all Marvel films.

 

[BoredGuy]

I fully agree with Whedon
X-men has all the good female characters in the Marvel U

Jean, Emma, Psylocke, Storm, Kitty, Rogue, X-23, they could all carry a movie on their own, and I'm sure there are others who could as well.

Who does Marvel own that could do that? She-Hulk (if it doesn't come off hokey), Wasp(and she's always partnered up), SW, BW, and Captain Marvel. Tigra? ehhh, weird backstory and not-that-cool powers. Jessica Drew? Maybe if the whole spider-connection doesn't make that impossible... IDK, it's slim pickin's

 

[def28]

Bingo

 

[Mulholland-Jr]

Of course it is gonna have the same leads as Avengers 1. Did you expect him to replace the 4 male stars of the first with characters who have yet to be introduced while they only have 1 Avengers film under their belt?

I'm just saying. Getting a little ahead of himself with that quote.

 

[xrs13]

I actually don't think any female character is ready for a spin off. Perhaps black widow but I don't think if they brought out a rogue film or a storm film people would flock to it. It would make far less than wolverine and even on a low budget I doubt it would make back what it needs at this point.

 

[Lip]

Being the creative consultant is far from being the one calling the shots. We all know Joss Whedon and they way the treats and works with female characters. If it was up to him, there would be at least one female superhero movie.

But no, there is Captain America, Thor, Hulk and Iron Man. They already established male superheroes franchises in the movie universe to set up the Avengers. So of course Avengers would be a male centered movie.

 

[Lip]

I actually don't think any female character is ready for a spin off. Perhaps black widow but I don't think if they brought out a rogue film or a storm film people would flock to it. It would make far less than wolverine and even on a low budget I doubt it would make back what it needs at this point.

Like Whedon said: It has to be a good movie. So if it's well made, of course it would be a success.

Storm, who you mentioned, plenty on interesting stories. Her past is very interesting but they could make a movie using the Morlocks as the villains. She is very interesting, charismatic and her powers could make the movie a huge visual spectacle.

 

[xrs13]

But to do a huge spectacle would require a big budget, that's the issue. It doesn't matter if the film is good. They need people to go and see it and they aren't going to take that risk not knowing how audiences will respond. It's like FC which was a risk and had a lower budget, but they knew it had more standing because it was an team x-Men film.
I just think we still aren't at a point where people will go and see female led cbm's. Perhaps soon but not yet.

 

[Mulholland-Jr]

Being the creative consultant is far from being the one calling the shots. We all know Joss Whedon and they way the treats and works with female characters. If it was up to him, there would be at least one female superhero movie.

But no, there is Captain America, Thor, Hulk and Iron Man. They already established male superheroes franchises in the movie universe to set up the Avengers. So of course Avengers would be a male centered movie.

He shouldn't be preaching a message that he too isn't following. And yes, it was his decision to add Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, so obviously he has some say so.

 

[BoredGuy]

But to do a huge spectacle would require a big budget, that's the issue. It doesn't matter if the film is good. They need people to go and see it and they aren't going to take that risk not knowing how audiences will respond. It's like FC which was a risk and had a lower budget, but they knew it had more standing because it was an team x-Men film.
I just think we still aren't at a point where people will go and see female led cbm's. Perhaps soon but not yet.

The Hunger Games and GOTG, jointly, would care to disagree
Female films, as long as they're good and especially if they have some sort of fanbase, whether its comics or YA novels or whatever, can and do sell well at the box office.
And GOTG proved a property doesn't even need to be known or have a huge fanbase as long as it's given to the right creative team with the right vision, and then pushed by a good marketing dept.

So combine someone with a fanbase, let's say Psylocke just for example's sake, add in the right casting and right director, as well as a good solid marketing push, and there's no reason they couldn't spend Thor or Iron Man 1 type money and make a similarly decent profit.

 

[terry78]

Psylocke's story alone is fodder for a tv show. Kwannon, her brother Cap Britain, etc.

 

[xrs13]

GOTG wasnt female led, and it was coming off of marvels track record and marketing. I don't think a Storm film would do well because there wouldn't be that backing behind it or the fan base strong enough for it. Storms fan base from what I have seen online is smaller than a fair few but her fans are most vocal.

 

[Lip]

I don't think a female superhero movie needs a big budget to people watch or be interested. What you said about FC is the same it can be said about a Storm movie. Everybody knows she is a X-Men member. FC had only four characters from previous movies and all of them portrayed by new actors.

A Storm movie could featured two or three other known characters. Why not? It happens in the comics all the time. She could be leading her own X-Men team. Look at Captain America 3.

 

[BoredGuy]

The GOTG thing was a separate point from the female led thing
and Marvel's record helps, but it's not like X-men has been doing too poorly either

"if it looks good, people will see it"
it's the modern day "if you build it, they will come"

 

[terry78]

Storm has never been able to really let loose onscreen yet like she does in the comics though.

 

[kasjan]

GOTG wasnt female led,

...it was animal and plant led.