Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 41

[henzINNIT]

It would be really difficult to introduce mutation in the MCU this far in.

 

[superweirdo87]

Introducing mutants into the MCU while they didn't exist before is a potential issue, especially at this stage.

Venom is like a potential project Sony. Deadpool and X-Force are like a major mainstay on the Fox slate.

In any case, while XMA did not do well, I don't know how desperate Fox is to make changes. As noted, Sony was in a tough place. And it did not have many franchises, and Spidey had delivered hundreds of millions of dollars in profits. Having that dwindle was a big deal, especially without other huge hits and some misses.

X-Men never occupied that space for Fox, and it has other franchises like Avatar, Apes, and Ice Age.

For some context, Wolverine made 132M domestic and 414.8M in 2013 and they did a sequel.

 

[def28]

In the last 6 months X-Men and Deadpool have brought in over 1.2 billion for them. They are just now realizing that X-Men comes with a vast of potential beyond one IP. Deadpool is now one of the highest first comic films ever and they know very well X-Men should have made more. Apocalypse was not chosen to follow DOFP cause they wanted to make less money.

Just between Deadpool, X-Force, X-Men, Gambit and Wolverine they could be pulling in 1.5-1.8 billion close to every year. With a few films being on the lower budget side of things. If they played their cards right with New Mutants and other X-Men properties even more so.

They don't have any other property that has the potential like X-Men and Fox wants that even bigger X-Men money that they are not yet hitting. They just need other people to show them how to get it one way or the other. The studio themselves don't know, and by the wasting of other characters like Betsy, Emma, Angel, Cyclops, Storm etc through the years show neither do most the directors/writers who have made these films.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

It would be really difficult to introduce mutation in the MCU this far in.

not really.. the movies haven't really touched on the super-human community... the only reference thus far was Thunderbolt Ross talking about how the numbers of super-humans has grown exponentially since ironman "came out"

hell.. ant-man even mentioned more are coming out of the woodwork (one who jumps, one who climbs, one who swings)

if the X-men were introduced to the MCU.. they'd likely deal with mutants sorta being in the closet, with Xavier being a leading geneticist and his theory on evolution and the mutant gene... while actually being one himself.

lets face it.. at this point it's much easier to introduce "mutants" to the MCU than it is to explain in the movies the whole inhuman angle agents of shield has created...

the MCU movies have been very vague about super-humans... Jessica Jones even referenced the fact their are others.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

In the last 6 months X-Men and Deadpool have brought in over 1.2 billion for them. They are just now realizing that X-Men comes with a vast of potential beyond one IP. Deadpool is now one of the highest first comic films ever and they know very well X-Men should have made more. Apocalypse was not chosen to follow DOFP cause they wanted to make less money.

Just between Deadpool, X-Force, X-Men, Gambit and Wolverine they could be pulling in 1.5-1.8 billion close to every year. With a few films being on the lower budget side of things. If they played their cards right with New Mutants and other X-Men properties even more so.

They don't have any other property that has the potential like X-Men and Fox wants that even bigger X-Men money that they are not yet hitting. They just need other people to show them how to get it one way or the other. The studio themselves don't know, and by the wasting of other characters like Betsy, Emma, Angel, Cyclops, Storm etc through the years show neither do most the directors/writers who have made these films.

agrees

 

[TheNewSlayer]

X-Men universe movies are lucrative for Fox no matter what haters think.

Look at this year for example, Fox released 2 x-men universe movies and got back from them more than 1 Billion dollars. (Deadpool + X-men Apocalypse ww box office).

Next year Fox has 2 more x-men universe movies, Wolverine 3 and an movie to released on the second half of the year. Which could bring again 1 Billion dollars for Fox.

Fox will never give the rights back to marvel.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

X-Men universe movies are lucrative for Fox no matter what haters think.

Look at this year for example, Fox released 2 x-men universe movies and got back from them more than 1 Billion dollars. (Deadpool + X-men Apocalypse ww box office).

Next year Fox has 2 more x-men universe movies, Wolverine 3 and an movie to released on the second half of the year. Which could bring again 1 Billion dollars for Fox.

Fox will never give the rights back to marvel.

1) if you actually read posts.. no one is saying the property isn't lucrative to FOX

2) the rights arn't being reverted or close to it.. that's not what the discussion is actually about

3)you also arn't taking into account advertising and other fees that take a decent chunk out of profit. it's not as simple as "the movie cost this much to make, this is how much it earned... the difference = profit!"

 

[Sithborg]

And let's face it, compared to the rest of this year's summer movies, Apocalypse did very, very well. Sometimes, you have to look at the broader picture. Is the results disappointing, sure. But it could've been a whole lot worse.

 

[YoungBlood]

And let's face it, compared to the rest of this year's summer movies, Apocalypse did very, very well. Sometimes, you have to look at the broader picture. Is the results disappointing, sure. But it could've been a whole lot worse.

Like the box office for Fant4stic.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

And let's face it, compared to the rest of this year's summer movies, Apocalypse did very, very well. Sometimes, you have to look at the broader picture. Is the results disappointing, sure. But it could've been a whole lot worse.

technically it still did mediocre... especially when compared to Civil War, Junglebook, Zootopia, (finding dory is also on track to beat it)

the US box office currently has it at #7 for domestic... with BvsS and dory above it.

 

[def28]

This summer still isn't over but X-Men has far more good will then ID4, Warcraft, F4, TMNT, Tarzan etc. The past year has been full of big budget crap, which audiences were smart enough to stay away from. Star Wars, Dory, Deadpool and Jungle Book have been soaring at the box office due to their quality.

It's more comparable to BvS, which holds a high fanbase that audiences expected a great film from because Batman is in it and his last films were received well. Now it needs to fix it's issues as well so it doesn't fall more.

It's not really about this film hitting as low as those trash blockbusters, it's about avoiding the next one being in that situation. Apocalypse did zero favors for helping the next film achieve higher success. It's now a moderate risk given the drops here. So yeah, could have been worse, but this still hurts.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Like the box office for Fant4stic.

that's rock bottom... that's like saying Batman and Robin film did well critically (in comparison to Fant4stic) because it got a 11% over F4's 9%....

 

[spideyboy_1111]

This summer still sin't over but X-Men has far more good will then ID4, Warcraft, F4, TMNT, Tarzan etc. This year has been full of big budget crap, which audiences were smart enough to stay away from. Star Wars, Dory, Deadpool and Jungle Book have been soaring at the box office due to their quality.

Comparing X-Men which is coming off of a proven built in fanbase within the past two years with it's highest critically received film isn't really a good goal when looking at these trash blockbusters that don't even have one good film to their name. It's more comparable to BvS, which holds a high fanbase that audiences expected a great film from because Batman is in it and his last films were received well. Now it needs to fix it's issues as well so it doesn't fall more.

It's not really about this film hitting as low as those flops, it's about avoiding the next one being in that situation. Apocalypse did zero favors for helping the next film achieve higher success. It's now a moderate risk given the drops here.

why are we even comparing F4 with 2016 movies? it came out nearly 11 months ago

 

[def28]

why are we even comparing F4 with 2016 movies? it came out nearly 11 months ago

Someone else mentioned it and I just threw it in there due to it not being a year old. I don't think it's comparable here either. That films a full on nightmare scenario without any good will backing it up.

Edit: As you mentioned above.

 

[kasjan]

Deadpool 1 sucked more than X-Men Apocalypse and it still made money...

This x 1000!

 

[Endeavor]

It would be really difficult to introduce mutation in the MCU this far in.

No.

The MCU has already had a mutant. He showed up in AoS and was called Scorch.
They just couldn't use the word Mutant for legal reasons, but that's what he was.

The way that the Inhumans, or Nuhumans, have been introduced also provides the setting that what everybody thought was the norm wasn't exactly true. That there are hidden groups of ppl that the vast majority of the world population knew nothing about.

A similar theme is coming up with Doctor Strange, where we will see individuals that have extraordinary magical abilities that the world at large considers nothing but myth and fantasy.

Introducing mutants as yet another group that maybe some folks have heard of but assume it's fantasy, but are actually real, fits perfectly with what we've already seen of the MCU.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

No.

The MCU has already had a mutant. He showed up in AoS and was called Scorch.
They just couldn't use the word Mutant for legal reasons, but that's what he was.

The way that the Inhumans, or Nuhumans, have been introduced also provides the setting that what everybody thought was the norm wasn't exactly true. That there are hidden groups of ppl that the vast majority of the world population knew nothing about.

A similar theme is coming up with Doctor Strange, where we will see individuals that have extraordinary magical abilities that the world at large considers nothing but myth and fantasy.

Introducing mutants as yet another group that maybe some folks have heard of but assume it's fantasy, but are actually real, fits perfectly with what we've already seen of the MCU.

bingo!

 

[Sithborg]

technically it still did mediocre... especially when compared to Civil War, Junglebook, Zootopia, (finding dory is also on track to beat it)

the US box office currently has it at #7 for domestic... with BvsS and dory above it.

I'm just looking at the summer movies. Junglebook and Zootopia don't really apply. Civil War is kind of iffy. And outside of Dory and Civil War, Apocalypse has done the best this summer. This summer, mediocre business is a success.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I'm just looking at the summer movies. Junglebook and Zootopia don't really apply. Civil War is kind of iffy. And outside of Dory and Civil War, Apocalypse has done the best this summer. This summer, mediocre business is a success.

.... maybe you should take a relook... its not about "personal preference" CW/Zootopia/Junglebook/Finding Dory/and BvS are all making more money....

 

[Sithborg]

And you seem to be missing my point that this SUMMER seems to be lackluster in general, outside a very few movies. It isn't like 2 years ago when we had 3 different $200+ mill blockbusters in May. Or even last year with a few great break outs over the summer.

 

[YoungBlood]

I'm just looking at the summer movies. Junglebook and Zootopia don't really apply. Civil War is kind of iffy. And outside of Dory and Civil War, Apocalypse has done the best this summer. This summer, mediocre business is a success.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2016&p=.htm

Only 9 films so far made more than 100 million domestically.
Five of them came out between January-April.
Taking CW and FD out the picture, Apocalypse is the highest grossing film domestically this summer that is not made by Disney, with Angry Birds in 2nd place.

 

[Endeavor]

I still haven't seen Jungle Book.

Have to see it before it stops playing.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

And you seem to be missing my point that this SUMMER seems to be lackluster in general, outside a very few movies. It isn't like 2 years ago when we had 3 different $200+ mill blockbusters in May. Or even last year with a few great break outs over the summer.

i really don't think that makes this film look any better though

but i called it from the get go.. this film had 3 superhero films basically pitting heroes vs heroes (Storm/Psylocke/and Angel are considered heroes), and only one was likely going to win that contest... people wanted it to be BvS but that turned out to be lack-luster. and CW for the most part wow'd the majority... so it was pretty clear X-men was going to fall somewhere in between if not below....


I think this summer was a fatigue of plot concept.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

No.

The MCU has already had a mutant. He showed up in AoS and was called Scorch.
They just couldn't use the word Mutant for legal reasons, but that's what he was.

Exactly. The MCU already has mutants. They just can't call them that.

 

[YoungBlood]

Exactly. The MCU already has mutants. They just can't call them that.

Does AoS even count, considering the shows connection is kinda one-sided?
I thought they were still trying to make Inhumans the new mutants?