Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - Part 12

[X-Maniac]

Even if X-Men: Dark Phoenix was the most comic accurate movie ever, this board has long ago decided it cannot be anything less than offense to fandom.

Well it won't be the most comic accurate movie ever will it? Let's not kid ourselves here.

We have a weird-looking blonde Lilandra leading the Skrulls, Mystique leading the X-Men, Magneto and Genosha, seemingly no Hellfire Club or Shi'ar, etc. That doesn't sound like the Dark Phoenix saga to me.

The point though is these films should be more about accurate and respectful depictions of the key classic characters. The MCU knows this. Fox is unable or unwilling to do the same.

Instead, they give well-cast depictions of the comics' ideological opposites (Xavier and Magneto) and then choose a character who grows to dominate at the expense of everyone else (first Wolverine and now Mystique).

And frankly whatever Dark Phoenix does will not erase what was done in X-Men: Apocalypse where Storm worshipped Mystique, had no motivation for joining Apocalypse (or being okay with the destruction of Cairo) and got her white hair from Apocalypse, Havok was killed off to give a comedy rescue scene for Quicksilver, Angel was re-done but then killed off, Jubilee was virtually erased from the movie, Jennifer Lawrence's Mystique was a founder and then leader of the X-Men who fondly recalled inventing the name for the team (uh, no, that was Moira) and Apocalypse was blue and badly done. Soooo much wrong with the depictions, motivations and characterisations in that movie.

And now apparently Jean will get her Phoenix power/persona from a solar flare when we already saw the Phoenix in X-Men: Apocalypse.

This franchise loves to ignore what has already been done.

 

[2kt09]

And now apparently Jean will get her Phoenix power/persona from a solar flare when we already saw the Phoenix in X-Men: Apocalypse.

This franchise loves to ignore what has already been done.

We saw what Apocalypse saw.
And based off of what I've been told, [BLACKOUT]Xavier knew something unbeknownst to Jean, which would be magnified after going to space[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Drexelhand]

Lauren disagree with Kinberg and his decisions.

Lauren is Kinberg's boss and in charge of the X-Men IP for films.

 

[Zarex]

Lauren is Kinberg's boss and in charge of the X-Men IP for films.

I'm pretty sure Simon outranks Ms. Shuler Donner in the X-Men and other Marvel licensed flicks at Fox at this point.

 

[Drexelhand]

I'm pretty sure Simon outranks Ms. Shuler Donner in the X-Men and other Marvel licensed flicks at Fox at this point.

Kinberg was hired by Donner first as a producer and then later given a contract for their "X-Men Universe" by her. She's the one who brought the X-Men movie license to Fox for distribution and may even be the one who holds the rights for all we know. He definitely outranks her as a producer in Hollywood, but he's not her boss.

 

[Jh7058622]

Yeah, I got the oh so subtle MCU 10th anniversary gag. I'm just pointing out that the character hisownself considers the Deadpool and X-Men films to be separate franchises. It's not a part of X-Men proper regardless of whether or not [BLACKOUT]actors from that series cameo for a table read.[/BLACKOUT]

I disagree he's always been very meta about his connections to the X-Men even in his own comics while still pinning to be one of them and inserting himself in there crosshairs the X-Men are meant to be his straight man. Colossus physically embodies this literally in the first Deadpool film.

 

[X-Maniac]

In terms of comics:

First Appearance: New Mutants, an X-Men comic book.

Subsequent Appearances: X-Force and Cable, X-Men comic books.

First Limited Series: Heavily featured Juggernaut, Black Tom Cassidy, Copycat, Garrison Kane, Department and focused on the aftermath of Tyler Dayspring abandoning the Tolliver identity.

Second Limited Series: Was a book that featured Deadpool stumble into the story of the lives of Banshee, Black Tom Cassidy and Siryn.

Commonly Paired With: Cable, aka the son of Cyclops and Jean Grey.

Video Game: Features several X-Men and focuses on several X-Men characters.

Alternate Universes: Often X-Men universes, featured as Dead Man Wade.

That's ignoring the movies. It would be illogical to not keep him as an X-Men character when that is what he is.

Yes and I notice the predominant characters mentioned here as associated with Deadpool are Cable, Juggernaut, Black Tom, Copycat, Banshee and Siryn.

Given how crap Jugs was in X3 and how summarily Banshee was removed from the franchise in an off-screen death in DoFP, I’d have no objections to better done versions of these characters playing alongside Deadpool,

Cramming in cameos and reducing key characters to cardboard cutouts with little to no dialogue or development are among the main problems this franchise has. The MCU wins hands down on both those points.

Hopefully Kinberg will try to address such things in Dark Phoenix but I don’t hold out much hope.

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

We saw what Apocalypse saw.
And based off of what I've been told, [BLACKOUT]Xavier knew something unbeknownst to Jean, which would be magnified after going to space[/BLACKOUT]

Well Xavier did see what become of Jean/Phoenix in DOFP when he looked into Logan's mind and possibly Patrick Stewart's Xavier, so I wonder if he held onto the information all these years. That would be a contradiction to DOFP because that means he didn't teach Jean to harness her Phoenix abilities after the fight with Apocalypse.

 

[GuestStar2004]

David Leitch on the Deadpool [BLACKOUT]X-Men Cameo[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

“So this was in the script but we were always wondering how we were going to be able to pull it off. The set supervisor, Dan Glass, who did the Matrix films, he came up with this idea of doing a composite, and getting the plates to match.

"There was so much goodwill from the first movie, so getting people to come on board and do that kind of stuff was easy," David Leitch, the director of the sequel, tells SYFY WIRE. "Simon Kinberg, the producer on both movies, was shooting Dark Phoenix at the time and they were on the same schedule, so it just sort of became a logistical puzzle. They actually shot that plate shot in Montreal and then we shot our side here and we comped those two together. So we didn't have to be in the same room but they had everybody on set. So it was actually a little logistically easier than it seems."

“So we shot our side here, and we sent the measurements and the camera positions and things up to Simon's team on Dark Phoenix, and they shot the plate for that there,” continued Leitch. “Then we put the two together. So actually it turned out to be easier than we thought.

“People love this universe. And so having that goodwill and knocking on doors of familiar faces that I know, sort of was like a perfect balance to get a favor or two.”

http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/how-rob-delaney-and-some-x-men-wound-up-in-deadpool-2
http://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/05/17/deadpool-2-x-men-universe-cameo/
http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/deadpool-2/273617/how-that-deadpool-2-x-men-cameo-happened

Co-Writer Rhett Reese

Spoiler

"We thought, how fun would it be that, you know, again, we had so much fun with the idea that no one was in the mansion in the first one," Wernick explained. "And in fact, you know, they were all in the mansion in the second one, and just, Deadpool didn’t see them. You know, that was fun."

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2018/05/18/deadpool-2s-x-men-cameo-was-filmed-by-a-different-director

 

[2kt09]

Well Xavier did see what become of Jean/Phoenix in DOFP when he looked into Logan's mind and possibly Patrick Stewart's Xavier, so I wonder if he held onto the information all these years. That would be a contradiction to DOFP because that means he didn't teach Jean to harness her Phoenix abilities after the fight with Apocalypse.

It also happens to do with [BLACKOUT]Jean's backstory[/BLACKOUT] in this movie as far as why he didn't teach her. That's different based on what I've been told from what was shown in The Last Stand.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

David Leitch on the Deadpool [BLACKOUT]X-Men Cameo[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

"There was so much goodwill from the first movie, so getting people to come on board and do that kind of stuff was easy," David Leitch, the director of the sequel, tells SYFY WIRE. "Simon Kinberg, the producer on both movies, was shooting Dark Phoenix at the time and they were on the same schedule, so it just sort of became a logistical puzzle. They actually shot that plate shot in Montreal and then we shot our side here and we comped those two together. So we didn't have to be in the same room but they had everybody on set. So it was actually a little logistically easier than it seems."

“People love this universe. And so having that goodwill and knocking on doors of familiar faces that I know, sort of was like a perfect balance to get a favor or two.”

http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/how-rob-delaney-and-some-x-men-wound-up-in-deadpool-2
http://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/05/17/deadpool-2-x-men-universe-cameo/

Co-Writer Rhett Reese

Spoiler

"We thought, how fun would it be that, you know, again, we had so much fun with the idea that no one was in the mansion in the first one," Wernick explained. "And in fact, you know, they were all in the mansion in the second one, and just, Deadpool didn’t see them. You know, that was fun."

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2018/05/18/deadpool-2s-x-men-cameo-was-filmed-by-a-different-director

So that's the outfit from Dark Phoenix?

 

[henzINNIT]

Quicksilver's T-shirt suggests Dark Phoenix costuming.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Speaking of the character, I’m really hoping there’s no unnecessary Quicksilver power display montage in DP.

 

[Link]

Those scenes were wonderful, but I imagine they want to do something a little different this time. In the same vein obviously, but maybe intercut with other action.

 

[EnDz0n3]

It really only worked in DOFP. Exceptionally well I might add.

Apocalypse didn’t work IMO, especially since Singer and Kinberg used it as a reason (excuse?) to kill off another X-man. The death almost felt like an afterthought. Cyclops’ character development from losing his brother WAS afterthought.

Here’s to hoping this is one of the MANY lessons Kinberg has learned from Apocalypse’s failures, both critically and financially. But you know how that story goes...

 

[henzINNIT]

There's some really impressive effects work in the second Quicksilver sequence, but its implementation in the story is BAFFLING. The perfect example of tonal whiplash.

I'm all for more Quicksilver madness if it is worked in nicely. I hope there are some fun power combo sequences with the team.

 

[Davidstorm]

edit

 

[Davidstorm]

I found this photo in a brazilian forum
the person said it's from the dark phoenix set
I do not know if it's true

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Psylocke and Hellfire Club?

 

[xrs13]

That was Olivia at the Met Gala
The red is a robe not a dress

 

[Erik Lensherr]

okaaay,

#tbt with this heavenly body @lilyjcollins #metball

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[DACrowe]

For the record, recent articles have said that Simon Kinberg shot that [blackout]insert shot of the X-Men cast in Deadpool 2[/blackout] on the X-Men: Dark Phoenix set. This means, it was shot during Dark Phoenix production, so most likely that is how they'll appear in that film.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Its possible they could have done abit of quick redressing to not give to much away

 

[psylockolussus]

Well it won't be the most comic accurate movie ever will it? Let's not kid ourselves here.

We have a weird-looking blonde Lilandra leading the Skrulls, Mystique leading the X-Men, Magneto and Genosha, seemingly no Hellfire Club or Shi'ar, etc. That doesn't sound like the Dark Phoenix saga to me.

The point though is these films should be more about accurate and respectful depictions of the key classic characters. The MCU knows this. Fox is unable or unwilling to do the same.

Instead, they give well-cast depictions of the comics' ideological opposites (Xavier and Magneto) and then choose a character who grows to dominate at the expense of everyone else (first Wolverine and now Mystique).

And frankly whatever Dark Phoenix does will not erase what was done in X-Men: Apocalypse where Storm worshipped Mystique, had no motivation for joining Apocalypse (or being okay with the destruction of Cairo) and got her white hair from Apocalypse, Havok was killed off to give a comedy rescue scene for Quicksilver, Angel was re-done but then killed off, Jubilee was virtually erased from the movie, Jennifer Lawrence's Mystique was a founder and then leader of the X-Men who fondly recalled inventing the name for the team (uh, no, that was Moira) and Apocalypse was blue and badly done. Soooo much wrong with the depictions, motivations and characterisations in that movie.

And now apparently Jean will get her Phoenix power/persona from a solar flare when we already saw the Phoenix in X-Men: Apocalypse.

This franchise loves to ignore what has already been done.

Its not gonna be comic accurate. Its gonna turn important comic book characters as side characters who are there to serve as eye candies for the public.

Then as a film, it's gonna be a poorly written film. X3/Fantastic Four/Apocalypse and whatever Kinberg co-wrote didn't get bad reviews from the critics because of its inaccuracy from its source material, but just plain bad story telling.

 

[xrs13]

okaaay,





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