Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[samsnee]

Whats the shocking part?

Sorry should have put a /sarcasm after my post

 

[Blade Hoarder]

The real tragedy is Kinberg will feel none of the effects of this because of how incestuous Hollywood is.

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

I’m sorry can someone please if you have information what was part two of this movie supposed to be about? I guess I am wondering because if Jean flew into space to stop the invasion and from the original ending We see her in space then what would the second movie be about?

 

[Blade Hoarder]

Her essence and body gets transfered into westoros in the pregnant belly of Catelyn Tully Stark.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Didn't know where to post this. Who asked for this?

 

[StarLord]

''We can't get Bryan Singer in for a Q&A because he's a creep and nobody cares about the movie that Simon actually directed because it's a pile of dung.''

It's IGN too, which is icing on the cake.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Based on the commentary of the blu ray you can tell Ottman was more involved in that movie's final form than absentee Singer and hack Kinberg.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

''We can't get Bryan Singer in for a Q&A because he's a creep and nobody cares about the movie that Simon actually directed because it's a pile of dung.''

It's IGN too, which is icing on the cake.

Word is that Simon directed a decent chunk of DFP and Apocalypse because Singer would turn up missing.

 

[Matt.S99]

A lot of actors/directors are doing these live watch party Q&A things, but it is definitely a little odd to have Kinberg instead of Singer, but I guess it’s understandable. Must feel like a bit of a slap in the face though for him that they’re doing it for DOFP and not DP

 

[EnDz0n3]

Word is that Simon directed a decent chunk of DFP and Apocalypse because Singer would turn up missing.

LOL I can tell you that's not true. The "Simon directed a decent chunk" part.

 

[StarLord]

Based on the commentary of the blu ray you can tell Ottman was more involved in that movie's final form than absentee Singer and hack Kinberg.

Fox probably had someone from catering direct while Singer went AWOL.

 

[EnDz0n3]

A lot of actors/directors are doing these live watch party Q&A things, but it is definitely a little odd to have Kinberg instead of Singer, but I guess it’s understandable. Must feel like a bit of a slap in the face though for him that they’re doing it for DOFP and not DP

I think it's more to do with DOFP's anniversary (it came out Memorial Day weekend) than getting a film for Kinberg to do live commentary on. It's just unfortunate there was no one else they asked.

I know John. They didn't ask him...

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I believe Singer went missing a few times on Apocalypse but never heard anything about him doing it for DOFP.

 

[Matt.S99]

I think it's more to do with DOFP's anniversary (it came out Memorial Day weekend) than getting a film for Kinberg to do live commentary on. It's just unfortunate there was no one else they asked.

I know John. They didn't ask him...

Ah, okay. That makes sense, then.

Yeah, John would have been a great person to have do this Q&A. I feel like it would be...I don’t know... less BS talk, if that makes sense.

 

[Matt.S99]

Ha, Kinberg answered two of my questions. The one regarding Emma Frost and the one near the end of the Q&A asking about what the story would have been had they continued with the original cast.

 

[TheVileOne]

Still mystifies me why Simon Kinberg was given so much free reign with X-Men and Fox's Marvel properties over the years.

 

[psylockolussus]

Ha, Kinberg answered two of my questions. The one regarding Emma Frost and the one near the end of the Q&A asking about what the story would have been had they continued with the original cast.

What did he say?

 

[Batmannerism]

Just rewatched this film.

I gave this one a second look. Honestly, it's not a particularly good film but actually isn't terrible - in fact, it's not as bad as Apocalypse.

As a kid I loved the Dark Phoenix storyline, and as far as adaptation so this fails, but overall it's still mildly entertaining. True Sophie Turner is very bland as are most of the XMen, the X suits look like bad cosplay, there's a ton of stuff that makes no sense ( like the X phone to the President and X men space rescue missions) but I thought MacAvoy actually made Xavier a bit more complicated and has a bit of an arc.

One thing is for sure the film got a lot better after Jennifer Lawrence dies. I feel a bit sorry for Nick Hoult, who's a much better actor than he's allowed to be here( and a really nice guy, I met him back in 2019). So maybe it's better after a second look. Cheers

 

[TheVileOne]

I still can't accept Nicholas Hoult as the Beast, the fact that he can change forms at will, doesn't age, and has no personality to speak of.

 

[henzINNIT]

Hoult's 'Beast' became very stale because of that human face. He should have accepted himself and stayed blue so we could move on to new stories with him. We got trapped in the prequel place, which would have been annoying on its own, but we were also jumping decades between films and giving him absolutely no life to speak of.

That said, Dark Phoenix threw him under the bus more than any other. He sought out Magneto to murder Jean in revenge. And then winds up the head-teacher of a school named after her. Kinberg is such a horrible writer.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Compare First Class Beast to Dark Phoenix Beast. What character growth is there to speak of? I'm struggling to come up with any character arcs to speak of in any of his appearances.

Too bad too because from his interviews it sounds like he was a big fan of the X-men, and the movies in particular. And yet the Powers-that-be behind-the-scenes could not care less about him, even dubbing his cast mates as the "First Class Trio" and giving JLaw--who checked out of the franchise as soon as she heard of the long make up process--the meatier role.

 

[craigaat]

Watched this for the first time last night. It's not good, but it's definitely not the worst prequel.

I thought the train sequence was great. It was cool to see everyone unleash their powers.

Fox really screwed up the timeline though, to the point where I'm actually looking forward to seeing what the Disney overlords will do with the X-Men.

 

[henzINNIT]

I thought the train sequence was great. It was cool to see everyone unleash their powers.

That was the only time the film came alive to me. Probably because it was shot by a stunt team and not Simon Kinberg. And even saying that, the action was good but all the character moments (like Nightcrawler's murderous rampage) were terrible.

 

[Hand Banana]

Just rewatched this film.

I gave this one a second look. Honestly, it's not a particularly good film but actually isn't terrible - in fact, it's not as bad as Apocalypse.

As a kid I loved the Dark Phoenix storyline, and as far as adaptation so this fails, but overall it's still mildly entertaining. True Sophie Turner is very bland as are most of the XMen, the X suits look like bad cosplay, there's a ton of stuff that makes no sense ( like the X phone to the President and X men space rescue missions) but I thought MacAvoy actually made Xavier a bit more complicated and has a bit of an arc.

One thing is for sure the film got a lot better after Jennifer Lawrence dies. I feel a bit sorry for Nick Hoult, who's a much better actor than he's allowed to be here( and a really nice guy, I met him back in 2019). So maybe it's better after a second look. Cheers

Interesting that you said that because I came across this very interesting video comparison. If you pretend that the aliens are the Hellfire Club, it’s not a bad adaptation of the Black Queen arc of the saga at all.



This movie definitely didn’t deserve the hate it got.

 

[Hand Banana]

I’m sorry can someone please if you have information what was part two of this movie supposed to be about? I guess I am wondering because if Jean flew into space to stop the invasion and from the original ending We see her in space then what would the second movie be about?

Late reply, but this gives you an idea.



Long story short:

First movie = Black Queen arc

Second movie = Dark Phoenix arc

The movie is still technically the Black Queen arc. According to Josh Boone it was always going to be a two-parter until the studio was sold.

Getting that year of gap in between seeing it then and seeing it now, the thing that was the most surprising was that I liked it. I was like, if all it takes is not seeing your movie for a year two like it again and actually really believe that it’s good, that’s what you need. Because Knate and I really did fall in love with it again. And we did a little bit of things to try to free it from pre-merger plans that Fox had for the “X-Men” franchise that were cooked into our movie when we shot it. We never got a chance to reshoot or even do pickups, which 95% of movies do. It was just all sort of frozen in limbo.

And everybody went to go work on “Dark Phoenix” because it cost so much, because the cast was so lucrative. Even though our movie tracked better, had way higher [amounts of] people looking at the trailer than ever did “Dark Phoenix,” it was all hands on deck because that movie was supposed to be two movies. And when the merger happened, all those plans sort of went to the wayside. So, everybody had a mess to clean up to some degree or another to make the movies sellable and able to put out in the world. Mine much less than “Dark Phoenix” because we didn’t have to change very much to complete it. We just had to not do a post-credits scene that we had planned and snip out a couple bits of dialogue that sort of expanded into things you would have seen in another movie.

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Well, that explains why the movie is so short and rushed.