Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[kevork89]

Yes more comic accurate costume for the film toys.

Yeah. And I’m hoping more pop vinyls and just generally more stuff. Shirts, cups, books etc. It kills me to see so much DC and Marvel merch and have to really scrap around just to find some X-Men.

 

[psylockolussus]

I’m not sure about anyone else but to me, White Queen as Xavier’s half sister, one of the founding members of the X-men, who’s first kill brings about a world run over by Sentinels, would later lead the X-men before Cyclops, counts Storm as one of her fan girls is just as absurd.

Perhaps the only thing a JLaw as White Queen would improve is that she won’t walk around in shoddy make-up.

She would still act bored. Plus who knows what demands she would put her foot down to this time.

I don't think Jlaw would look the part as Emma. Emma would have been tolerable to me than making Mystique to a X-Men leader, though Emma isn't Xactly an original X-Men member material. She should start as a villain then later on become a X-Woman with lots of X-Men despising her for her previous actions. Also Jean, Cyclops and Kitty.

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

I don't think Jlaw would look the part as Emma. Emma would have been tolerable to me than making Mystique to a X-Men leader, though Emma isn't Xactly an original X-Men member material. She should start as a villain then later on become a X-Woman with lots of X-Men despising her for her previous actions. Also Jean, Cyclops and Kitty.

I hope Simon is able to deliver some cool intense scenes with Dark Phoenix. Say hwhat you want about the man but he did give us the Jean/Logan “I don’t want to fix it” that sent chills down my spine, Storm-nadoe scene which I love, Magneto killing humans in the car flipping scene, a Brotherhood that were actual terrorists and did acts of terrorism and the deleted Storm creates a wave scene we’ve never seen storm create a actual downpour with her powers. Those are some of my favorite scenes by Kinberg.

 

[x-er]

Are you referring to X3?

 

[x-er]

That's the movie where Anna Paquin's Rogue was written out by depowering her and James Marsden's Cyclops was written out by killing him in the middle of the film.

They did the same thing with Days of Future Past. They had one last shot at redemption for Paquin's role and they had her do absolutely nothing (watch Rogue Cut). They shouldn't make "scheduling issues" their excuse for two films, but they have. It's like they have something against the actors who portrayed Cyclops and Rogue.

It was also a departure for Storm, whom we already knew could not control the weather to the point of flying or bringing down waves from the skies. Her character was also not supposed to fry people to death so violently from one film to the next.

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

Are you referring to X3?

Yes

 

[BMM]

That's the movie where Anna Paquin's Rogue was written out by depowering her and James Marsden's Cyclops was written out by killing him in the middle of the film.

They did the same thing with Days of Future Past. They had one last shot at redemption for Paquin's role and they had her do absolutely nothing (watch Rogue Cut). They shouldn't make "scheduling issues" their excuse for two films, but they have. It's like they have something against the actors who portrayed Cyclops and Rogue.

It was also a departure for Storm, whom we already knew could not control the weather to the point of flying or bringing down waves from the skies. Her character was also not supposed to fry people to death so violently from one film to the next.

Storm flies in the first movie.

 

[X-Maniac]

That's the movie where Anna Paquin's Rogue was written out by depowering her and James Marsden's Cyclops was written out by killing him in the middle of the film.

They did the same thing with Days of Future Past. They had one last shot at redemption for Paquin's role and they had her do absolutely nothing (watch Rogue Cut). They shouldn't make "scheduling issues" their excuse for two films, but they have. It's like they have something against the actors who portrayed Cyclops and Rogue.

It was also a departure for Storm, whom we already knew could not control the weather to the point of flying or bringing down waves from the skies. Her character was also not supposed to fry people to death so violently from one film to the next.

They had more planned for Storm but said her pregnancy necessitated a rewrite.

I thought she did pretty well overall in that film but that:

a) they could have used a stunt double and green screen to add more scenes like those in the storyboards of her frying the Sentinels

b) the scene where she creates a blizzard against the oncoming Sentinel ships, and then sends lightning to blow up the jet, could have been more intense and powerful. I didn't like that the Sentinels just flew into the blizzard (must have been a weedy wind blowing), we should have seen them struggling and being blown back. Also, the lightning she sends at the jet should have been bigger and brighter, far more badass.

 

[X-Maniac]

I hope Simon is able to deliver some cool intense scenes with Dark Phoenix. Say hwhat you want about the man but he did give us the Jean/Logan “I don’t want to fix it” that sent chills down my spine, Storm-nadoe scene which I love, Magneto killing humans in the car flipping scene, a Brotherhood that were actual terrorists and did acts of terrorism and the deleted Storm creates a wave scene we’ve never seen storm create a actual downpour with her powers. Those are some of my favorite scenes by Kinberg.

Yes, those weren't bad, although the deleted scene with Storm creating a wave needed refining. It doesn't quite look right. I'd suggest a wider area of water, more like a curtain of it. Or even better, use a waterspout to bring it on to the island.

The filmmakers sometimes lack creativity. It's pretty easy to look up Storm scenes in the comics, or even consult books of weather phenomena - it's not like there aren't any real-world examples of what her power would do! Ask a meteorologist!

 

[The Original Bamfer]

That's the movie where Anna Paquin's Rogue was written out by depowering her and James Marsden's Cyclops was written out by killing him in the middle of the film.

The original (and writer preferred) ending had Rogue choosing not to take the cure, but Ratner insisted on the alternative. The studio wanted Cyclops killed off. If I remember correctly, Kinberg and company fought to have him in the film at all. Cyclops got the **** end of the deal for sure, but at least he was in it. Kinberg’s not God’s gift to writing, but he doesn’t deserve blame for things that were beyond his control.

 

[SumT]

Yes, those weren't bad, although the deleted scene with Storm creating a wave needed refining. It doesn't quite look right. I'd suggest a wider area of water, more like a curtain of it. Or even better, use a waterspout to bring it on to the island.

The filmmakers sometimes lack creativity. It's pretty easy to look up Storm scenes in the comics, or even consult books of weather phenomena - it's not like there aren't any real-world examples of what her power would do! Ask a meteorologist!

thats too much work for them, man, dont be so harsh.
I think writers usually have a limited time to write a script, around 1-1.5 months or so, so they cant investigate as much as they'd want. Neither reading more comics to be more faithful, they'd wish, but time is limited.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The original (and writer preferred) ending had Rogue choosing not to take the cure, but Ratner insisted on the alternative.

I heard it was Rothman who decided on that. he apparently asked his teenage daughter what she thought Rogue should do in that situation and taking the cure was the answer she gave.

Kinberg also talked about trying to get a nightcrawler cameo in X3 but he was apparently told to take it out and he never found out whether thats down to studio conflict with Alan cummings or they just wanted to save money on an already high budget

 

[EnDz0n3]

A Nightcrawler/Alan Cumming appearance in X3 would’ve hurt the character.

Hindsight is 20/20 but it was for the best he didn’t appear.

 

[GuestStar2004]

A Nightcrawler/Alan Cumming appearance in X3 would’ve hurt the character.

Not necessarily.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

I think they were going to have him give the eulogy at Xavier’s funeral. It would’ve made more sense than Storm.

“We can’t have Nightcrawler for the funeral? Scott can’t lead the team? Rogue can’t be strong-willed and absolutely against the cure? Xavier’s dead and can’t run the school? Well, I guess there’s Storm...”

 

[EnDz0n3]

Not necessarily.

Lol ok.

Out of the 15+ X-men characters, name...three...characters that were improved by X-men the Last Stand.

 

[Herofan]

The original (and writer preferred) ending had Rogue choosing not to take the cure, but Ratner insisted on the alternative.

I think that was a good choice, Rogue through the movies was pretty afflicted by her "power" (in itself, not just others' reactions to it), it was believable she would not want to continue enduring it.

 

[SumT]

the issue isnt about being believable, but the message the movie is sending: to change yourself, and Rogue not accepting being a mutant and a X-men. That was a horrible decision, and totally unfaithful to the source material. Directors should pay more respect to the source and the characters. Rogue never took the cure in the comics, she accepted herself, and the movie should have respected that.

if Ratner wanted a believable movie, he should have changed the style/tone of the movie drastically. That should have been an improvement, a tone closer to X2, and less to Transformers or Fast and furious.

 

[GuestStar2004]

if Ratner wanted a believable movie, he should have changed the style/tone of the movie drastically. That should have been an improvement, a tone closer to X2, and less to Transformers or Fast and furious.

Her decision making has nothing to do with the tone though.

 

[2kt09]

if Ratner wanted a believable movie, he should have changed the style/tone of the movie drastically. That should have been an improvement, a tone closer to X2, and less to Transformers or Fast and furious.

OR...<insert now popular/successful cbm's that shall not be named but are relevant to this post yet irrelevant to thread>

Let's go dramatic horror style/tone, tis' the "in" thing
Hope he took notes from Noah Hawley

 

[Herofan]

the issue isnt about being believable, but the message the movie is sending: to change yourself, and Rogue not accepting being a mutant and a X-men.

But it was balanced by Angel, whose power wasn't really an impediment and who only considered taking the cure because his father pressured him to do so, refusing to take it. I get that a character taking a cure would be controversial but I thought the film showed well that there were different kinds of mutations so reactions would and can be different.

Changing yourself, if it's done voluntarily, isn't necessarily bad.

Edit: I think it would be a worse message to give the idea that if you've got powers you must be and continue to be a superhero, if you're a good person you must be self-sacrificing enough to give up a normal life, including physical contact, all good people would and should make the same choice.

 

[The Guard]

I will never understand people railing against Rogue taking the cure as much as they did. I think it's because people lost out on "Miss Marvel Rogue", per the wishes of fans prior to the event.

The word is that Fox shot multiple endings and focus grouped Rogue taking the cure VS not taking it. Taking it won out.

The movie also showed that the cure is not permanent, essentially saying via metaphor that you cannot just cure yourself of what's different about you, so it's really kind of a moot point. The movie doesn't even send the message people imply that it does, as pointed out earlier, Angel chooses not to take it, and the movie essentially says "Decide for yourself, not based on what others want".

 

[psylockolussus]

I hope Simon is able to deliver some cool intense scenes with Dark Phoenix. Say hwhat you want about the man but he did give us the Jean/Logan “I don’t want to fix it” that sent chills down my spine, Storm-nadoe scene which I love, Magneto killing humans in the car flipping scene, a Brotherhood that were actual terrorists and did acts of terrorism and the deleted Storm creates a wave scene we’ve never seen storm create a actual downpour with her powers. Those are some of my favorite scenes by Kinberg.

I just eXpect the film to be really cheesy and cringe worthy with Kinberg doing the screenplay and director duties. Anyway, if this film is still hitting theaters, they should release something. I miss the days when Singer constantly posted something related to Dofp/A, you know to build some buzz. Kinberg so far has done what... Tell someone it is coming out in February. Geez feel the buzz!

 

[Havok83]

That's the movie where Anna Paquin's Rogue was written out by depowering her and James Marsden's Cyclops was written out by killing him in the middle of the film.

Not the middle; the beginning. They got rid of Scott in the first Act

 

[fan4stic]

As far as I remember, Rogue had to be written out due to scheduling with Anna, so to justify it they wrote it that she got the cure. Cyclops, I think that might've been a schedule thing too.