Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Mya]

For me:

X-Men DoFP Rogue Cut
X2
X Men
FC
Apocalypse
X3

 

[Zorro]

I'm thinking about having a marathon before Dark Pheonix

 

[Marvel united]

1. Days of Future Past (Rogue Cut is basically the same movie)
2. First Class
3. X2
4. X-Men
5. TLS
6. Apocalypse

I haven't truly hated any X-Men movie (besides Origins). But Apocalypse and TLS were definitely the most disappointing because of the missed potential

 

[Frankeh]

X2
X-Men

DOFP
FC

TLS

Apocalypse

The first two are the strongest, the prequels are good but not that good, and Apocalypse is the worst.

 

[carpenter82]

I'm thinking about having a marathon before Dark Pheonix

I've always wanted to try the viewing order of First Class first, then the original trilogy, and ending on DOFP & Apocalypse.

 

[Web-Head]

I'm thinking about having a marathon before Dark Pheonix

Me too. I'll probably start it shortly after Endgame comes out

 

[Zorro]

I've always wanted to try the viewing order of First Class first, then the original trilogy, and ending on DOFP & Apocalypse.

That could be fun. May try that

 

[x-er]

Simon Kinberg, thank u, next.

He did his job, I guess. But I think Marvel will be hiring writers who can build a solid universe and develop its characters, are willing to be creative and break the boundary every now and then.

Kinberg's talents lie more in the standalone Hollywood action movies written for an actor in mind, not for a fictional series with a huge fanbase like X-Men. So, like Mr. and Mrs. Smith used Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, X-Men Apocalypse was very much a Kinberg baby since it was written more for Jennifer Lawrence (in a role very similar to her Hunger Games role, not Mystique) and James Fassbender (with an arc that gave him a random new family and in the end did not reunite him with his son from the comics who was introduced one film before). So I can see him making rehash films like Speed with Channing Tatum or Indiana Jones with Chris Hemsworth, written specifically for the actors of course. But he wouldn't be a right match for Marvel.

 

[psylockolussus]

United / Days of Future Past (depends on the day)
First Class
X-Men
The Last Stand
Apocalypse
Dark PhoeniX (calling it now!)

 

[Cktopl33]

If you have seen the film or know someone that has, without going into specifics, what was the verdict? Thumbs up or down?

I haven't seen it directly, but have spoken to people who have seen both the older cuts as well as the newer cuts, including some people connected to production. Reactions vary depending on what you're looking for specifically or at what stage the cut was seen. The movie is not going to be a near direct adaptation of the comic (that it could have been *cough*) which so many people may be looking to see. Interestingly, some think it's close enough. But I do get the sense it's nowhere as bad as Apocalypse nor was it an outright train wreck. Some thought it was the best (fox franchise) x-men film to date, some thought it was middle of the road for them, and a few didn't like it based on the cut they saw. So it depends. Just like some people think First Class was the best x-men movie while others think it's Days of Future Past. Comparisons of it to these films will vary.

It's important to note that none of these people saw the completed version of the film, therefore many simply don't know what some sequences with heavy VFX will look like (for some it was bare essentials at the time they saw it, for others incomplete VFX). For example, one particular cut of the space shuttle sequence would have looked nothing like the shots we saw from it in the recent international trailer due to incomplete VFX nor would they have heard what the completed score would sound like. Some cuts of the film were drastically different, edited in a different way, with completely different footage.

So it's hard to say what the final verdict is because some of these people saw different versions at different stages. When the final theatrical cut of the film is released we will be seeing different things edited in a different way from what they saw, which could paint a different reaction. That's why I rather not base a final verdict on what they saw because they weren't all seeing the same things and I'm still unsure what exactly will be in the final theatrical version.

 

[carpenter82]

I haven't seen it directly, but have spoken to people who have seen both the older cuts as well as the newer cuts, including some people connected to production. Reactions vary depending on what you're looking for specifically or at what stage the cut was seen. The movie is not going to be a near direct adaptation of the comic (that it could have been *cough*) which so many people may be looking to see. Interestingly, some think it's close enough. But I do get the sense it's nowhere as bad as Apocalypse nor was it an outright train wreck. Some thought it was the best (fox franchise) x-men film to date, some thought it was middle of the road for them, and a few didn't like it based on the cut they saw. So it depends. Just like some people think First Class was the best x-men movie while others think it's Days of Future Past. So comparisons with these films will vary.

It's important to note that none of these people saw the completed version of the film, therefore many simply don't know what some sequences with heavy VFX will look like (for some it was bare essentials at the time they saw it, for others incomplete VFX). For example, one particular cut of the space shuttle sequence would have looked nothing like the shots we saw from it in the recent international trailer due to incomplete VFX nor would they have heard what the completed score would sound like. Some cuts of the film were drastically different, edited in a different way, with completely different footage.

So it's hard to say what the final verdict is because some of these people saw different versions at different stages. When the final theatrical cut of the film is released we will be seeing different things edited in a different way from what they saw, which could paint a different reaction. That's why I rather not base a final verdict on what they saw because they weren't all seeing the same things and I'm still unsure what exactly will be in the final theatrical version.

Yeah I understand. I've been to a test screening for an effects heavy film and it was laughable to a lot of people in the audience.

 

[Cktopl33]

Yeah I understand. I've been to a test screening for an effects heavy film and it was laughable to a lot of people in the audience.

Well it wasn't just the effects. Some sequences were edited differently with different shots. So that can bring about different reactions depending on what version you see.

 

[carpenter82]

Well it wasn't just the effects. Some sequences were edited differently with different shots. So that can bring about different reactions depending on what version you see.

True. Also, I think I'm alone on this but I'm generally not a fan of two parters. If possible I'd prefer one streamlined adaption. If there's one annoying thing about the fallout of The Deathly Hallows films it's the expectation for certain stories to be told in two films. Although you saying that was originally the plan with this sounds troublesome.

 

[Cktopl33]

True. Also, I think I'm alone on this but I'm generally not a fan of two parters. If possible I'd prefer one streamlined adaption. If there's one annoying thing about the fallout of The Deathly Hallows films it's the expectation for certain stories to be told in two films. Although you saying that was originally the plan with this sounds troublesome.

From what I heard from some is that the changes were better for the movie as a whole because it simply wouldn't work otherwise without another film to complete the narrative. The movie was changing as it went into production with things being rewritten as they were shooting. The reshoots I believe were to patch up some of these changes they made earlier during production. The initial script was certainly different and a two part film would have expanded on certain things that they simply couldn't do in one movie. That's why changes had to be made when they realized they had to compact into one film. This movie was definitely suppose to be a two-parter. These changes weren't planned, they were forced due to the sudden diminished time that would be needed with another film that was taken off the board.

 

[carpenter82]

From what I heard from some is that the changes were better for the movie as a whole because it simply wouldn't work otherwise without another film to complete the narrative. The movie was changing as it went into production with things being rewritten as they were shooting. The reshoots I believe were to patch up some of these changes they made earlier during production. The initial script was certainly different and a two part film would have expanded on certain things that they simply couldn't do in one movie. That's why changes had to be made when they realized they had to compact into one film. This movie was definitely suppose to be a two-parter.

That's good because I was also worried about this film potentially setting up other installments that may never come to be. However, that seems unlikely if they knew ahead of time about the acquisition.

 

[Cktopl33]

However, that seems unlikely if they knew ahead of time about the acquisition.

Well they didn't at first (the filmmakers as far as I'm aware). News of the acquisition wasn't known until after they shot the movie. The changes that were forced on the film happened before Disney officially became involved.

 

[EnDz0n3]

He did his job, I guess. But I think Marvel will be hiring writers who can build a solid universe and develop its characters, are willing to be creative and break the boundary every now and then.

Kinberg's talents lie more in the standalone Hollywood action movies written for an actor in mind, not for a fictional series with a huge fanbase like X-Men. So, like Mr. and Mrs. Smith used Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, X-Men Apocalypse was very much a Kinberg baby since it was written more for Jennifer Lawrence (in a role very similar to her Hunger Games role, not Mystique) and James Fassbender (with an arc that gave him a random new family and in the end did not reunite him with his son from the comics who was introduced one film before). So I can see him making rehash films like Speed with Channing Tatum or Indiana Jones with Chris Hemsworth, written specifically for the actors of course. But he wouldn't be a right match for Marvel.

I wouldn't necessarily say it's where Kinberg's talents lie. After all that description also matches up with "This Means War" starring big name movie stars Reese Witherspoon, Tom Hardy and Chris Pine and that's 26% Rotten. Does Kinberg really have a strength as far as being a writer is concerned?

 

[carpenter82]

Well they didn't at first (the filmmakers as far as I'm aware). News of the acquisition wasn't known until after they shot the movie. The changes that were forced on the film happened before Disney officially became involved.

Oh ok. I thought you were implying that the pick ups were partially a direct result of the incoming acquisition. My mistake.

 

[psylockolussus]

I haven't seen it directly, but have spoken to people who have seen both the older cuts as well as the newer cuts, including some people connected to production.

I don't believe it.

 

[X-Maniac]

The movie was written as a two-parter story. It was budgeted as a two-parter. Plans were set in place. Then something happened that affected not just this movie, but a lot of future films at Fox. This movie was suppose to have certain things in it.....that had to be completely changed during production, while shooting.

'Something happened'? Why so cryptic?

Are you referring to Bohemian Rhapsody's release date being brought forward to November (which was presumably part of a studio campaign to give it a chance at being nominated for the Oscars)?

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't buy what he's saying. Suddenly he has "sources". Its just the usual making eXcuses for this film.

 

[Zorro]

Whether they knew about disney or not, I really hope there's a closure and finale as much as possible than a cliffhanger setting up more films but then it gets rebooted. Seems like I'll be getting that

 

[psylockolussus]

I didn't like what the Original Bamfer said about the ending.

Spoiler

so we are just left eXpecting that Jean is later resurrected and Xavier returns in the mansion sometime after Dark PhoeniX and before Dofp's ending? Meh. And of course another chess scene with Magneto at the end. Yeah not another X3 similarity.

 

[BMM]

Spoiler

Charles and Erik playing chess harks back to the ending of X-Men, not The Last Stand. And if there’s a running thread throughout the franchise that makes for a fitting end, it’s absolutely that.

 

[icekid]

Whether they knew about disney or not, I really hope there's a closure and finale as much as possible than a cliffhanger setting up more films but then it gets rebooted. Seems like I'll be getting that

There's no cliffhanger. They know its being rebooted and are treating it like a finale, as they have been for since camera's started rolling, no setup. Jean's fate is Jean's typical fate, she literally could have come back to life two days before DoFP's ending and no one would have cared because that's what she does.

Spoiler

Charles and Erik playing chess harks back to the ending of X-Men, not The Last Stand. And if there’s a running thread throughout the franchise that makes for a fitting end, it’s absolutely that.

Exactly. I can't wait for people to actually see the movie and realize that these comparisons are greatly exaggerated. It's their thing, if there's a movie with these two characters in it, this is a must. If anything, X3 is THE ONLY film with them in it that does not to feature such a sequence.