Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Cktopl33]

Dark Phoenix’s reviews are likely to trend somewhere around Detective Pikachu’s, so I’m personally predicting a 60-70 debut with SLoP around 80. They both can’t be massive out of the gates because there’s only but so much money to go around in a packed Memorial Day-June release window. SLoP’s reviews likely won’t be too good, regardless of the first one’s surprise success.

Do you expect Dark Phoenix to do lower than The Wolverine on Rotten Tomatoes, which is the closest in the X-franchise to Detective Pikachu before the films start to head into rotten territory for?

 

[icekid]

Do you expect Dark Phoenix to do lower than The Wolverine on Rotten Tomatoes, which is the closest in the X-franchise to Detective Pikachu before the films start to head into rotten territory for?

I expect it around the same asThe Wolverine. The cast was smaller in that and had fleshed out arcs for each and every one of them. That generated the higher score because in addition to taking a deeper dive in Logan, it did the same for the characters around him. Where it was weak, it really sunk low which is why it landed at 71%. It slowed down and lingered in that stagnant area for far too long until the climax.

It’s trickier with this one because of the usual reasons with these team x-men films, but it services the characters on the better end of the team x-men films such as the the top three, DoFP, X2 and FC. Arc progression/existence for the team are similar to DoFP but DoFP was stronger and hit heavier in other areas. I’m expecting mid 60’s (to be pessimistic) to mid 70’s, granted I saw a longer film.

 

[EnDz0n3]

This post bears repeating:

Wait so the embargo lifts on June 4th???


LOLOLOLOL

Since people were questioning what the big deal was with a 3-day embargo but Godzilla just proved why people are LOLOLOLOL at Dark Phoenix's late embargo lift. But somehow Godzilla's low score is being celebrated.

 

[Cktopl33]

Captain Marvel's review embargo lifted 3 days but that still got a fresh rating. Secret life of Pets 2 has now dropped a steep 70%, even though its embargo lifted a little over a week earlier than Dark Phoenix. So SLoP 2 is currently sitting around The Wolverine's score.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Captain Marvel's review embargo lifted 3 days but that still got a fresh rating.

And the social media embargo for that movie lifted on Feb 19th, a good 2 weeks+ before its release date. But I'm sure you knew that after googling Captain Marvel + Review Embargo...

So where's a similar link to all the tweets and social media reactions from people who have seen Dark Phoenix?

 

[icekid]

Captain Marvel's review embargo lifted 3 days but that still got a fresh rating. Secret life of Pets 2 has now dropped a steep 70%, even though its embargo lifted a little over a week earlier than Dark Phoenix. So SLoP 2 is currently sitting around The Wolverine's score.

There’s Captain Marvel, Mary Poppins Returns, Bumblebee, John Wick 3, Wonder Woman, Us, Lego Movie 2 and to a certain extent, How to Train Your Dragon (embargo lifted with the Australian release which was nearly 2 months ahead of the US). Shazam! only lifted so early because it’s release schedule was beyond strange as well!

All of these movies come to mind where I think of top critical performers with LATE overall embargo lift dates.

Lift dates don’t mean anything anymore like they used to, just like print promotion. Their meanings on a film’s quality or studio’s confidence is antiquated. It meant a lot more when blockbuster type films were far and few in between, but in the last 2-3 years, everyone is in the game now.

 

[Cktopl33]

And the social media embargo for that movie lifted on Feb 19th, a good 2 weeks+ before its release date. But I'm sure you knew that after googling Captain Marvel + Review Embargo...

So where's a similar link to all the tweets and social media reactions from people who have seen Dark Phoenix?

I did google Captain Marvel review embargo but it gave me a different date. That's why I said 3 days (from its U.S. March 8 release). As quoted from an article by ScreenRant:

The Captain Marvel review embargo lifts at 6am PST/9am EST/2pm GMT on Tuesday March 5, just two days ahead of the first public screenings. However, unlike its predecessors, the review embargo for the movie is lifting a bit later which may take some as a cause for concern. Lifting review embargos early is taken as a sign that studios are confident about the quality of their newest release and, conversely, having an embargo lift days or even hours before a film opens to the public is taken as a move to mitigate disaster. Powerhouse that it is, the MCU is known for lifting review embargos aat least couple of weeks before a movie hits theaters.

 

[Kuwolski]

At the rate the studio is releasing clips, the whole film will have been seen before the reviews hit.

 

[icekid]

At the rate the studio is releasing clips, the whole film will have been seen before the reviews hit.

Not in the slightest. I think there’s maybe one more clip to be released and that’s it. They’re on the fence about the last one as only one of the online clips has made it to late night broadcast, which is the main reason they release them, and they’re on the fence about using a new one they have ready or a slightly extended space shuttle clip.

 

[Kuwolski]

Not in the slightest. I think there’s maybe one more flip to be released and that’s it. They’re on the fence about the last one as only one of the online clips has made it to late night broadcast, which is the main reason they release them, and they’re on the fence about using a new one they have ready or a slightly extended space shuttle clip.

There's that at least, I thought they were going full Sony on us.

 

[Cktopl33]

It’s trickier with this one because of the usual reasons with these team x-men films, but it services the characters on the better end of the team x-men films such as the the top three, DoFP, X2 and FC. Arc progression/existence for the team are similar to DoFP but DoFP was stronger and hit heavier in other areas. I’m expecting mid 60’s (to be pessimistic) to mid 70’s, granted I saw a longer film.

So would you consider the first x-men film better than Dark Phoenix? The (2000) X-men is still critically rated better than The Wolverine.

 

[icekid]

So would you consider the first x-men film better than Dark Phoenix? The (2000) X-men is still critically rated better than The Wolverine.

It’s critically rated higher by critics from 2000. If it were to come out today, it wouldn’t do get nearly the same critical reception. I personally consider Dark Phoenix better than it by a wide margin.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I did google Captain Marvel review embargo but it gave me a different date. That's why I said 3 days. As quoted from an article by ScreenRant:

That's the actual multi-paragraphed reviews that would eventually show up in magazines and webpages. The social media embargo (that I've now linked twice...) usually reactions and tweets from professional reviewers, was lifted 17 days before its March 8th release date that's why I said "social media embargo..."

Meaning Marvel wasn't afraid of what the reactions of the movie would have been, as you were trying to present by bringing up the 3-day prior embargo. So unless there's social media embargo that's been lifted for Dark Phoenix that only you know about, this is not the same thing as Captain Marvel.

Edit:
I mean that link is even in the article you're quoting...

 

[Cktopl33]

That's the actual multi-paragraphed reviews that would eventually show up in magazines and webpages. The social media embargo (that I've now linked twice...) usually reactions and tweets from professional reviewers, was lifted 17 days before its March 8th release date that's why I said "social media embargo..."

Meaning Marvel wasn't afraid of what the reactions of the movie would have been, as you were trying to present by bringing up the 3-day prior embargo. So unless there's social media embargo that's been lifted for Dark Phoenix that only you know about, this is not the same thing as Captain Marvel.

Edit:
I mean that link is even in the article you're quoting...

I never said 'social media' embargo. I'm referring to the embargo that will usually begin to display critical rating scores. Social media reactions doesn't always indicate what critical review scores will turn out as, so I'm not as interested in them.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I never said 'social media' embargo. I'm referring to the embargo that will usually begin to display critical rating scores. Social media reactions doesn't always indicate what critical review scores will turn out as, so I'm not as interested in them.

Doesn't matter if they interest you or not.

These social media reactions coming from the people who were "allowed" to watch the movie first before general audiences are usually, mostly (not all) the same people who will be providing the reviews for RT.

Ergo, good social media reactions mean good reviews. So again bringing up Captain Marvel's late embargo is irrelevant because their reactions (that they liked the movie) were already out there.

Also if you can't read from a simple tweet, after an embargo has been lifted, if a reviewer likes a movie or not, maybe that's on you.

 

[Cktopl33]

Doesn't matter if they interest you or not.

These social media reactions coming from the people who were "allowed" to watch the movie first before general audiences are usually, mostly (not all) the same people who will be providing the reviews for RT.

Ergo, good social media reactions mean good reviews. So again bringing up Captain Marvel's late embargo is irrelevant because their reactions (that they liked the movie) were already out there.

Also if you can't read from a simple tweet, after an embargo has been lifted, if a reviewer likes a movie or not, maybe that's on you.

Great example is in one of the links you posted about Captain Marvel's social media reactions: "Epic Nostalgic Blast", "Totally Awesome", "Unlike any marvel movie"...when in reality the actual reviews stating:

- "story not exactly memorable"
- "the movie itself is, for the most part, trivial. Its significance is what it promises for movies to come"
- "Captain Marvel is middle-ranking Marvel, layering the stale with the fresh", so on.

So it's not as great as Marvel top films. A tweet is not going to give you the full scope of a movie's performance.

 

[Dumain]

I remember First Class and DoFP reviews being embargoed very close to the release dates themselves. They overplayed their hand for Apocalypse and it bit them hard.

 

[carpenter82]

I remember First Class and DoFP reviews being embargoed very close to the release dates themselves. They overplayed their hand for Apocalypse and it bit them hard.

The Apocalypse thing seemed to be more in response to Disney lifting the Civil War embargo 3 weeks early.

 

[marvintabacon]

Very excited for this movie!!!!

 

[EnDz0n3]

Great example is in one of the links you posted about Captain Marvel's social media reactions: "Epic Nostalgic Blast", "Totally Awesome", "Unlike any marvel movie"...when in reality the actual reviews stating:

- "story not exactly memorable"
- "the movie itself is, for the most part, trivial. Its significance is what it promises for movies to come"
- "Captain Marvel is middle-ranking Marvel, layering the stale with the fresh", so on.

So it's not as great as Marvel top films. A tweet is not going to give you the full scope of a movie's performance.

Did you really just pair up a positive social media reaction with a negative review from a different person? The movie is at 78% on RT so the likelihood you would pick a negative review was less, but then here we are. Who does that?

Anyways, have fun talking about Captain Marvel on the X-men boards.

 

[carpenter82]

View attachment 25527 Very excited for this movie!!!!

Very cool!

 

[carpenter82]

Finally got to check out this display in person.

 

[carpenter82]

The RT score isn't really a rating. Black Panther has a higher RT score than Logan, and I imagine most would still pick Logan as the stronger film.

I try not to obsess with RT too much, even if it is a good tool. My absolute favorite film of 2018 was Suspiria, and it finished at 66%.

My only wish for Dark Phoenix is a score above 60%, a "fresh" score.

I actually don't even want to know the RT score for this thing. I'd rather just want to go as blind as possible. When the reviews hit I'll most likely stay away from this board until I see the movie.

I also don't agree with RT all the time. Case in point I saw Godzilla tonight, and imo it was exactly what I wanted it to be.

 

[hurrikane2]

Since we are on captain marvel...the movie was bad but not horrible..I hope dark phx is at least better then that corny stuff..special effects was awesome but the non-seriousness really annoys me and the wink wink-ness of the characters knowing it’s a movie is just silly and that’s all i’m Going to say about that...

 

[psylockolussus]

The RT score isn't really a rating. Black Panther has a higher RT score than Logan, and I imagine most would still pick Logan as the stronger film.

I try not to obsess with RT too much, even if it is a good tool. My absolute favorite film of 2018 was Suspiria, and it finished at 66%.

My only wish for Dark Phoenix is a score above 60%, a "fresh" score.

Black Panther is a better movie than Logan. Logan bored me in some of its scenes.

Personally speaking just above 60% isn't good enough. Detective Pikachu has 65% and I didn't like the movie. I liked some movies that got a rating around 50 to 70 percent like The Wolverine but most of them are comedies, rom com and drama, not action blockbuster movies. But I guess since Apocalypse set the bar lower and we are dealing with Kinberg, around 60% would be a win.

7 days to go!