Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[psylockolussus]

some reviewers are saying the last stand was better ??? what ?

X3 wasn't crafted by 1 person. Matthew Vaughn probably had ideas in it as well as he was the one who cast Juggernaut in the film.

Dark PhoeniX is a solely a Kinberg eXperimation gone wrong.

 

[Dark Raven]

Let's refrain from using this type of terminology, shall we? It's a comparison in bad taste and is fairly offensive.

Another term I've seen people use here in bad taste is "rape" - eg if some contrarian poster scoffs at fans and says "Oh look at these fanboys who feel their childhood has been raped because things have been changed from comics to screen." That's offensive too.

 

[Sage2016]

Other franchises evolved, they changed things up to keep relevant. The X-Men bow out with a slow crawl that packs little punch. This just feels like a rich kids media studies project, than the end of a much loved team of superheroes.

I don't care much for the MCU, but I will gladly give them my time to see what they will bring to the table. It's felt like I've been given the shaft dry for 20 years for loving mutants. Bye Fox!

 

[psylockolussus]

So, I'm seeing this twice tomorrow. It's the last installment, I'm still very excited, even if my expectations are approriately low.

I did a ranking of the films earlier this morning for my blog, and the franchise really is uneven, and wonderful. I'm going to miss it, but it's about time Kinberg goes and Marvel hires someone actually qualified.

Enjoy!

 

[Frodo]

I've noticed a bit of a rally around the flag effect for this film among some fans in the past day or so. It is the last one of the fox universe which has lasted 20 years. I suspect that's its hitting alot of fans right now that its ending.

All in all it , had a good run. The franchise may not have ended the way alot of fans may have wanted it to, but its had a long run. Its the longest run of an ongoing cbm continuity , followed by the MCU with 10 years.

That is an achievement in my book.

 

[psylockolussus]

Its quite sad, as I imagined a better end for the franchise, not the 22% critical misfire Kinberg film that didn't even feature anyone from the first film or at least gave the core X-Men characters a good send off. I seriously don't know whats going to be the worst, Spider-Man 3, Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Fant4stic or this. Probably Dark PhoeniX as I spent more than 10 years being invested to this franchise, I wouldn't have 30,000+ posts in this board and countless of pictures in my computer, if it was just a movie series. Kinberg singlehandly ruined the franchise and I saw it coming 2 years ago.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Its quite sad, as I imagined a better end for the franchise, not the 22% critical misfire Kinberg film that didn't even feature anyone from the first film. I seriously don't know whats going to be the worst, Spider-Man 3, Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Fant4stic or this. Kinberg singlehandly ruined the franchise.

I have a hard time seeing anything touching Fan4stic. Like, even in my worst nightmares of watching this movie, I just cannot see it being anywhere near that bad. Fan4stic is probably my least favorite CBM ever. Just awful in every sense of the word.

 

[psylockolussus]

I have a hard time seeing anything touching Fan4stic. Like, even in my worst nightmares of watching this movie, I just cannot see it being anywhere near that bad. Fan4stic is probably my least favorite CBM ever. Just awful in every sense of the word.

My least favorite Marvel movie as of nowis Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance. I can't watch that without lowering the volume. Too much noise for a short movie. While I didn't have much investment when it came to Fant4stic even though I tried to be optimistic with that film. Years of investment with the X-Men film franchise and only to see it end with a Kinberg film, that critics are calling as the worst film in the series, is just quite painful. Also, there's a lot of untapped potential/great material that they could have taken advantage of if they knew what they were doing.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Fant4stic is barely even a film. I highly doubt there's ever going to be a superhero film as atrocious.

Nor I. And I saw Catwoman

 

[Vasilios]

Critics have been posturing against this film for all time to see and now their biased views on display. The good reviews that are there are genuine and obviously being fair to this entertainment product. Kinberg who is a visionary but keeps behind the scenes and is modest has been targeted from the get go like other quiet artists with unique and singular creative visions such as Zack Snider.

He has created a product that is crisp and with integrity intact. Let that judge for itself. When we see the film we too can judge the craftsmanship of this sensitive delicate yet dedicated polished filmmaker. He has taken this all by himself and has made something that many like. The critics in this case have been at it and biased since the delays by Fox to look for a better box office window. It becomes an investigatory process into seeing what critics’ approach to film scholarship is, but it should be clear to not have an agenda and maintain a balanced view (clearly the positive reviews reflect this and therefore are real genuine reflections of this crafted venture).

Seeing it will open at $50 million this week and have a higher global opening weekend than other films is clearly a sign that audiences are waiting with baited breath for a Kinberg watermarked X-men motion picture feature.

Jeez are they still paying you to make Kinberg look good? Every one of your posts is unnaturally praising Kinberg as someone who is brilliant and someone we all want. You’re coming off as annoying now. The movie sucks. A lot of us have seen it. Kinberg blew it big time and is currently the biggest failure in Hollywood n

 

[Atakan]

Its quite sad, as I imagined a better end for the franchise, not the 22% critical misfire Kinberg film that didn't even feature anyone from the first film or at least gave the core X-Men characters a good send off. I seriously don't know whats going to be the worst, Spider-Man 3, Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Fant4stic or this. Probably Dark PhoeniX as I spent more than 10 years being invested to this franchise, I wouldn't have 30,000+ posts in this board and countless of pictures in my computer, if it was just a movie series. Kinberg singlehandly ruined the franchise and I saw it coming 2 years ago.

I like Spider-Man 3.

 

[X-Maniac]

The Observer thinks it lacks humour - apart from the obligatory F-bomb that is shoehorned into every movie just because it worked in First Class

The One Thing ‘Dark Phoenix’ Needed That the MCU Could Have Provided

Digital Spy thinks the ending doesn't match up with the end of DoFP (since when has anything matched up in this series? We already saw a Phoenix manifestation at the end of Apocalypse and I assume that isn't explained)

X-Men Dark Phoenix has a major timeline plothole

Wired hated it but gives an honorary mention to all the straining hands as the mutants use their powers, lol

'Dark Phoenix' Is Trash, But the Hand Work Is Pretty OK?

 

[psylockolussus]

I like Spider-Man 3.

I'm mentioning film adaptations based on Marvel's best Ips, in my opinion. Thing is in the comic books, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four and the X-Men were/are the cream of the crop and its just sad when a major film studio couldn't do them justice in the big screen and have the final film in the series end in a terrible note. Sadly, for the X-Men, they are having another big misfire, ending with a misfire, that is probably as bad if not worse than Fant4stic and will join the league of the other really bad cb films like Catwoman and Elektra.

 

[Alison Blaire]

 

[imbruglia]

I wonder if she was shiny like this in original version's finale.

 

[metaphysician]

Mystique will come to the MCU, it's just a matter of time.

I wouldn't count on it too hard. Mystique was just as overused in the Fox movies as Xavier, Magneto, and Wolverine. . . only unlike them, she is nowhere near as critical a linchpin of the franchise. If any character of them gets a prolonged rest and deemphasis, its going to be her.

 

[psylockolussus]

Who is the X-Men's greatest enemy? I have an idea.

 

[Spidey 2007]

The Observer thinks it lacks humour - apart from the obligatory F-bomb that is shoehorned into every movie just because it worked in First Class

The One Thing ‘Dark Phoenix’ Needed That the MCU Could Have Provided

Digital Spy thinks the ending doesn't match up with the end of DoFP (since when has anything matched up in this series? We already saw a Phoenix manifestation at the end of Apocalypse and I assume that isn't explained)

X-Men Dark Phoenix has a major timeline plothole

Wired hated it but gives an honorary mention to all the straining hands as the mutants use their powers, lol

'Dark Phoenix' Is Trash, But the Hand Work Is Pretty OK?

I don’t have any explanation on how this doesn't follow up on a Apocalypse, but DOFP is the revised ending to the OT, not the new timeline. This timeline branched off post DOFP. It doesn’t have to end the way DOFP ended (and can’t really). That was the non sentinel ending to the OT branch.

 

[Matt.S99]

Oh dear, Catwoman is kind of a guilty pleasure of mine. It's pure camp, absolutely terrible. Patience Phillips and Sharon Stone fighting over a face cream. Riveting stuff.

I honestly love Catwoman because it’s so ridiculous
Definitely a guilty pleasure.

 

[samsnee]

I wouldn't count on it too hard. Mystique was just as overused in the Fox movies as Xavier, Magneto, and Wolverine. . . only unlike them, she is nowhere near as critical a linchpin of the franchise. If any character of them gets a prolonged rest and deemphasis, its going to be her.

Agreed. If I never see her onscreen again, I won’t be sad. There are plenty of other shape shifting characters if they really need that power for the story.

 

[P Supreme]

been wondering how you have the phoenix force in X:A and then have her get it here and ITS THE SAME WRITER why man

 

[Frodo]

I wouldn't count on it too hard. Mystique was just as overused in the Fox movies as Xavier, Magneto, and Wolverine. . . only unlike them, she is nowhere near as critical a linchpin of the franchise. If any character of them gets a prolonged rest and deemphasis, its going to be her.

Of the X men characters , I see Magneto, Wolverine, and Deadpool being integrated in the MCU first. Magneto is Wanda's father so its easier to slip him in without that much of a fuss. Wolverine could also appear in a separate MCU film without needing to be an X Man yet. Deadpool is hit so they aren't gonna walk away from the money on the table.

Alot of the other characters I suspect, they could afford to wait a little bit as far as introducing them into the MCU fabric. Even Xavier could wait until proper X Men solo MCU film.

 

[HexualCirce]

My biggest issue with DP is that it was WAAAY too short. It literally felt like half of the movie was missing. Adding another 30/45 minutes to this movie would have done so much. It really didn't seem like anyone on the production team or studio side of it actually cared all that much about this film at the end of the day. Which is a shame because, for the most part, the cast is pretty solid and fairly talented. I say this, of course, excluding Jennifer Lawrence who can go drive off a cliff for all I care. Storm was shafted once again, and Quicksilver's treatment in this movie was down right embarrassing. These are just the things that I hated. There was a lot that I liked too and I do plan on seeing again this weekend.

 

[JP]

been wondering how you have the phoenix force in X:A and then have her get it here and ITS THE SAME WRITER why man

Kinberg 101.

That’s my frustration with him. Yeah his dialog is ****ty, and his plots aren’t creative, but he just has this blatant disregard for the continuity HE HIMSELF creates.

 

[Charzhin0]

I have a hard time seeing anything touching Fan4stic. Like, even in my worst nightmares of watching this movie, I just cannot see it being anywhere near that bad. Fan4stic is probably my least favorite CBM ever. Just awful in every sense of the word.

Fan4stic looks and feels a lot like Dark Phoenix