Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[MovieSlave]

I honestly don't think the problem with Dark Phoenix was the villain. And honestly, thinking about it, with the exception of Eric, which is sort of an anti-villain, FOX was never really outstanding with villains. Apocalypse: failed. Bolivar Trask in DoFP: underwhelming. The Hellfire Club, Emma and Shawn: Eh... not so great. Maybe the best villain they had was... Stryker?

Yeah, I would say after Magneto the best villain they had was Stryker (Cox). I did like Kevin Bacon as Shaw though.

 

[Alison Blaire]

Bryan gave his heart in dofp.I Know,but Kinbeg is a bad liar.

 

[icekid]

Bryan gave his heart in dofp.I Know,but Kinbeg is a bad liar.

Bryan was a decent film maker but you can’t mistake that for his sketchy personal life. All the reports are true, none of which were made by Kinberg who has been a good sport about it.

 

[Alison Blaire]

Not at all true if it has not been proven by law.Knberg is leaking false information to distract his failure

 

[Lip]

Yeah, I would say after Magneto the best villain they had was Stryker (Cox).

Which sounds so crazy, IMO.

lol

 

[DACrowe]

I honestly don't think the problem with Dark Phoenix was the villain. And honestly, thinking about it, with the exception of Eric, which is sort of an anti-villain, FOX was never really outstanding with villains. Apocalypse: failed. Bolivar Trask in DoFP: underwhelming. The Hellfire Club, Emma and Shawn: Eh... not so great. Maybe the best villain they had was... Stryker?

I liked Stryker (when he was Brian Cox) and Shaw. They weren't like all-time villains, but they were effectively nasty, especially Stryker who embodied institutional bigotry quite well. Shaw's effect on Erik made him also exceedingly deplorable, even if he was obviously just a traditional X-Men baddie.

Otherwise, in retrospect I kinda agree. They knocked it out of the park with Magneto twice, and Mystique the first time, but otherwise they're pretty good, functional (the bad guys in Logan, Trask), or... poor, poor Jessica Chastain. Eeesh. If they abandoned making her Lilandra, they should've jettisoned the whole alien angle and just had her be the leader of "The Inner Circle" and call her "The White Queen" instead of Emma Frost. Yeah, fans would roll their eyes, but we did anyway and those "aliens" were bad.

 

[icekid]

Not at all true if it has not been proven by law.Knberg is leaking false information to distract his failure

You realize that the law will never catch up to him, the law hasn’t caught up to ANY of them. It’s a thing called MONEY.

 

[Alison Blaire]

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[Alison Blaire]

 

[Lip]

Over all those years we've seen Senator Kelly, Magneto, Mystique (mute when she was a villain), Sabretooth, Toad, Lady Deathstryke, Stryker, Pyro, Dark Phoenix, Juggernault, The Morlocks, The Hellfire Club, Emma Frost (I'm counting her apart from Hellfire), Bolivar Trask, Blob, Apocalypse, The Four Horsemen, Aliens (that thing)...

It's crazy how many of them were just poorly executed, mute, forgettable, extras, etc...

 

[Blade Hoarder]

Oh goody. We have a defender of Bryan Singer's honor.

 

[icekid]

I remember I was laughed at for saying that’s what happened. The effects would have been done for the new act but they wouldn’t have had time to go over everything again and add in Jeans floating hair in every scene where it was really supposed to be the NY and train sequences.

 

[JP]

Not at all true if it has not been proven by law.Knberg is leaking false information to distract his failure

You really need to reevaluate things.

It's 100% true that Kinberg... and Hutch Parker... and John Ottman all had to fill in, so to speak, for Singer because he would disappear. That happened during Apocalypse, and it happened during BR. That's why he was fired from the latter film...

 

[Alison Blaire]

True!But not in Dofp!

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[DACrowe]

Over all those years we've seen Senator Kelly, Magneto, Mystique (mute when she was a villain), Sabretooth, Toad, Lady Deathstryke, Stryker, Pyro, Dark Phoenix, Juggernault, The Morlocks, The Hellfire Club, Emma Frost (I'm counting her apart from Hellfire), Bolivar Trask, Blob, Apocalypse, The Four Horsemen, Aliens (that thing)...

It's crazy how many of them were just poorly executed, mute, forgettable, extras, etc...

I liked Deadpool 2's Juggernaut. But as that movie's a comedy, they could slide in leaning into cliché (which the character is honestly guilty of).

 

[DACrowe]

EDIT: I also think the Sentinels were very well done. I think they were more menacing and memorable than the MCU's closest comparison, which is the Ultronbots. But then again, you can get away with just having them be silent and menacing when they're robots.

 

[Alison Blaire]

Wow!Is perfect!

 

[Dark Raven]

What a waste of Halston Sage, because she looks perfect here as Dazzler. She could've starred in a Dazzler musical under Disney/ Marvel. Now there's probably little chance of her doing that.

 

[X-Maniac]

Moving the film to give the slot to Cameron's flop Alita must now seem a monumental mistake.

 

[X-Maniac]

Kinberg is leaking lies about Singer to mislead.

Before the ‘Bohemian Rhapsody’ Mess, Bryan Singer Reportedly Went AWOL From ‘X-Men’ Movie Sets

No lies detected here.

Are you sure you're on the right side? The only other person who 'believes' Singer was on set the whole time is our resident flat-earther GuestStar...

 

[X-Maniac]

I liked Stryker (when he was Brian Cox) and Shaw. They weren't like all-time villains, but they were effectively nasty, especially Stryker who embodied institutional bigotry quite well. Shaw's effect on Erik made him also exceedingly deplorable, even if he was obviously just a traditional X-Men baddie.

Otherwise, in retrospect I kinda agree. They knocked it out of the park with Magneto twice, and Mystique the first time, but otherwise they're pretty good, functional (the bad guys in Logan, Trask), or... poor, poor Jessica Chastain. Eeesh. If they abandoned making her Lilandra, they should've jettisoned the whole alien angle and just had her be the leader of "The Inner Circle" and call her "The White Queen" instead of Emma Frost. Yeah, fans would roll their eyes, but we did anyway and those "aliens" were bad.

Weren't they told by Disney that she COULDN'T be Lilandra, as it was a case of 'in name only' by that point?

Also, Inner Circle were ruled out because they are already in Gifted. Not that this franchise normally cares about duplication...

 

[Lip]

I liked Deadpool 2's Juggernaut. But as that movie's a comedy, they could slide in leaning into cliché (which the character is honestly guilty of).

I was counting the X-Men movies only. But I agree with you about Deadpool's Juggernault.

EDIT: I also think the Sentinels were very well done. I think they were more menacing and memorable than the MCU's closest comparison, which is the Ultronbots. But then again, you can get away with just having them be silent and menacing when they're robots.

I mean, the sentinels are just robots ready to kill mutants. They don't have any kind of arc or psychological complexity. They're there for action only. And when I think about the X-Men fighting the sentinels, I think about the Avengers fighting the Chitauri. And I think about more iconic characters involved like Scott, Jean or Nightcrawler. And others fully explored like Rogue, Storm, Bobby, Kitty, etc... So, it was memorable in DoFP, sure. But not nearly as good as it could've been IMO.

 

[MovieSlave]

I liked Deadpool 2's Juggernaut. But as that movie's a comedy, they could slide in leaning into cliché (which the character is honestly guilty of).

So did I! Other than not having his normal costume which makes sense since he just broke out of jail he looked great. Sadly they didn't go that route for The Last Stand.

EDIT: I also think the Sentinels were very well done. I think they were more menacing and memorable than the MCU's closest comparison, which is the Ultronbots. But then again, you can get away with just having them be silent and menacing when they're robots.

Sentinels on the other hand. They were ok but misused big time. They should have been more of a threat in the past but I get what they were going for. I would have loved to have seen a movie where they are the main (or one of the main)threats.


I can't believe some are defending Singer when that info was common knowledge shortly after Apocalypse was done filming. I mean that info hit before it was even released in the theaters if I recall correctly.