Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[italoxorn]

The thing I like most about Jessica's character is that she will make 3 characters in 1:
- Mastermind: acting in Jean's mind.
- Emma Frost: Arming Trap for the X-Men.
- Lilandra: alien leader wanting to make her own judgment.

 

[The Infernal]

I've noticed they gave Tye a visor more like the X2 visor which I thought looked awkward even back then. It especially looks weird when he's wearing civilian clothes. Why not just have him wear shades again?

 

[Crimson99]

The thing I like most about Jessica's character is that she will make 3 characters in 1:
- Mastermind: acting in Jean's mind.
- Emma Frost: Arming Trap for the X-Men.
- Lilandra: alien leader wanting to make her own judgment.

Now the hard part is to figure who Chastain's character will be. Obviously it isn't Ms. Sinister so that opens up more questions than answers. Very intrigued to see how Chastain is used for this movie.

 

[Mad Ones]

I think Cyclops' visor looks pretty damn great.

 

[EnDz0n3]

The golden gate bridge scene from X3 is great for cinema but the final act of DoFP is far more memorable as it pitted characters in a pivotal crossroads for the future outcome which was far more compelling as a theater experience.

Anyone else find it hilarious that Magneto is making fun of McAvoy's Xavier for his speeches, yet in all of Fassy's movies FC, DOFP and Apocalypse it's his Magneto that's been speechifying in the film's climax much more than Xavier.

The thing I like most about Jessica's character is that she will make 3 characters in 1:
- Mastermind: acting in Jean's mind.
- Emma Frost: Arming Trap for the X-Men.
- Lilandra: alien leader wanting to make her own judgment.

I'm sure the White Queen fans, Mastermind fans and Lilandra fans are all very excited.

 

[lofoa82]

My theory is that Chastain is a Dire Wraith.

These alien creatures take the form of their victims. In X-Men #186 a Dire Wraith killed and took the form of an agent named Philip Rosen.

Here's an excerpt from a summary of the said issue:

"In Caldecott County, Mississippi, Val Cooper and her colleague Philip are winding down after their mission. Their search for Rogue being a dead end after Storm's depowering caused their mutant detector to short out. When Phil goes to his car to drive home, he is attacked by a Dire Wraith who quickly kills him and takes his form. The Wraith disguised as Phil then leads its fellow Wraiths to Val's hotel room. Gaining access through Val's trust in Phil, the creatures attack her with the intent of replacing her with a Dire Wraith."

And there's a relation between the Dire Wraiths and the Skrulls (extracted from Marvel Wikia):

"In the distant past, possibly over a billion years ago, when the Skrulls were still in their early stages of developments, the Celestials came to Skrullos and experimented on selected natives. They created Eternal, Prime and Deviant branches. The Deviants turned on their cousin races and exterminated them.

Studying black magic, some Skrulls became the Dire Wraiths."

My two cents.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

I wonder who Magneto's speaking to while he's referring to staring at the face of evil. He sounds like an awfully big hypocrite considering the number of bodies on his resume.

 

[OroroGambitFan]

The second trailer will deliver the epic scale people crave but this first trailer is necessary to show the conflict with characters.

So far all the reactions to the trailer have been postive, cautiously optimistic or lukewarm. All in all that is a good sign so far given that Dark Phoenix has risen from the ashes of Hollywood limbo.

The true test will be obviously if this film can leave a lasting impression. X1, X2, and DoFP definitely did leave that lasting impression. Apocalypse and X3 did not leave that lasting impression. First Class I have to say was and is still underrated for what it showed on the screen.

The golden gate bridge scene from X3 is great for cinema but the final act of DoFP is far more memorable as it pitted characters in a pivotal crossroads for the future outcome which was far more compelling as a theater experience.

"all the reactions have been positive"- huh? Ummm.. i think you meant to say, 'so far all the reactions u can remember coming across are positive'...lol I mean just look at the results on the poll for the trailer- that's telling in of itself. Personally, I've seen lukewarm to bad but maybe that's just what i've run across. I don't think the buzz that's being generated right now should be interpreted as good sign, but that's just my take. Maybe the fact that people know it's Fox's last turn at bat might draw more eyes than it would normally so that might be something they can work to their advantage in the marketing.

 

[italoxorn]

Anyone else find it hilarious that Magneto is making fun of McAvoy's Xavier for his speeches, yet in all of Fassy's movies FC, DOFP and Apocalypse it's his Magneto that's been speechifying in the film's climax much more than Xavier.



I'm sure the White Queen fans, Mastermind fans and Lilandra fans are all very excited.

Exactly better than the Spider-Man fans who saw the greatest hero in the house turn into a Robin.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Exactly better than the Spider-Man fans who saw the greatest hero in the house turn into a Robin.

Cyclops, Jean, Iceman and Angel are not the first X-men.
Mystique is Xavier's sister.
Mystique is the X-men's field leader.
Storm, Psylocke and Angel helped kill 100s of people. As far as the general audience is concerned Psylocke and Angel are still villains.
Storm got her white hair from Apocalypse.
50+ mutants became X-mansion students before Cyclops.
Jubilee has been at the school 10 years before Cyclops showed up.
Quicksilver doesn't have a twin sister.
Beast can turn human.
Havok is Cyclops' older brother.
Wolverine and Sabretooth are brothers.
Moira Mactaggert works for the CIA.
Banshee, Emma Frost, Havok and Archangel (?) are all dead.
Xavier killed the X-men.

And that's just from the new set of films.

Go complain that Spider-man is a Robin knock-off in the Captain America: Civil War forum or Spider-man: Homecoming forum or Avengers: Infinity War forum.

Sophie also talked about how they didn't use wire work this time, at least she didn't. She said they used something called a parallelogram which was her sitting on this bike seat kind of thing and there were weights involved or something. Definitely different from wire work so I expect the flying to be much better. Hopefully Storm used it as well!

They also "didn't use wire work" in DOFP for Halle...

 

[Limonade]

Exactly better than the Spider-Man fans who saw the greatest hero in the house turn into a Robin.

Pfft. That's not even an insult.

Captain America = Batman
Spider-Man = Robin/Nightwing

Guess which Superheroes looked up to whom?

 

[psyonic]

Ok, I was reading the full leaked spoilers, and there are more evidence those are true:

Spoiler

About Chastain's character:

-It is and I can only assume because that's the name she uses as a human? So basically aliens land close to a country house and Jessica Chastain is there as a normal human. The alien kills her and shapeshifts into her but with bleached white hair. She then somehow steals the identity of an fbi agent with this body. That's where "smith" comes in I guess?

-Ok so this is how it goes down. Jessica chastain plays a normal human at first (she has red hair) . Aliens land by her fancy house by a lake and they kill them all. The alien that kills Jessica shapeshifts into her but with bleach white hair. Then she meets with another alien in a church (religious parallel is so obvious it hurts) and this alien took the place of an fbi agent and then gets Alien (jessica) identification to go around as an fbi agent. Its stupid and makes no sense lmao

About Magneto's "brotherhood":
-Random mutants. One looks like slipknot from SS and uses his dreadlocks like whips/tentacles

In the trailer there is a guy with dreads following Eric.

Since he got even those details right, I think it's safe to assume the leaked spoilers are indeed true.

Spoiler

Yup there is a Lakehouse Husband and Lakehouse guest listed in the imdb cast, supposedly it's the Lakehouse SMITH lives in ..

 

[Crimson99]

Pfft. That's not even an insult.

Captain America = Batman
Spider-Man = Robin/Nightwing

Guess which Superheroes looked up to whom?

Spiderman was never a "Robin" in the older comics even in the presence of working with the Avengers. Even when Spiderman teamed up with the Beast he is never shown to be a lackey or sidekick or any other team ups.

Don't confuse what liberties comic book films take compared to the source material IMO.

As for Magneto speech his speeches carry weight because he actually has been proven to be right every step of the way so far. Magneto since First class has been a morally grey character for a reason.

 

[Lip]

Cyclops, Jean, Iceman and Angel are not the first X-men.
Mystique is Xavier's sister.
Mystique is the X-men's field leader.
Storm, Psylocke and Angel helped kill 100s of people. As far as the general audience is concerned Psylocke and Angel are still villains.
Storm got her white hair from Apocalypse.
50+ mutants became X-mansion students before Cyclops.
Jubilee has been at the school 10 years before Cyclops showed up.
Quicksilver doesn't have a twin sister.
Beast can turn human.
Havok is Cyclops' older brother.
Wolverine and Sabretooth are brothers.
Moira Mactaggert works for the CIA.
Banshee, Emma Frost, Havok and Archangel (?) are all dead.
Xavier killed the X-men.

And that's just from the new set of films.

Go complain that Spider-man is a Robin knock-off in the Captain America: Civil War forum or Spider-man: Homecoming forum or Avengers: Infinity War forum.



They also "didn't use wire work" in DOFP for Halle...

I think it's funny when people compare the treatment of MCU Parker with the treatment of the X-Men characters under FOX control, when the list of atrocities is huge in the X-Men franchise. Peter look up to Tony, but Ororo worship Raven, one of the X-Men most iconic foe, and she was also part of a genocide with no motivation whatsover. Talk about ruining a hero.

But yeah, go take that complain about Peter in some Spider-Man thread and go see how it goes.

 

[fobi]

Cyclops, Jean, Iceman and Angel are not the first X-men.
Mystique is Xavier's sister.
Mystique is the X-men's field leader.
Storm, Psylocke and Angel helped kill 100s of people. As far as the general audience is concerned Psylocke and Angel are still villains.
Storm got her white hair from Apocalypse.
50+ mutants became X-mansion students before Cyclops.
Jubilee has been at the school 10 years before Cyclops showed up.
Quicksilver doesn't have a twin sister.
Beast can turn human.
Havok is Cyclops' older brother.
Wolverine and Sabretooth are brothers.
Moira Mactaggert works for the CIA.
Banshee, Emma Frost, Havok and Archangel (?) are all dead.
Xavier killed the X-men.

And that's just from the new set of films.

Go complain that Spider-man is a Robin knock-off in the Captain America: Civil War forum or Spider-man: Homecoming forum or Avengers: Infinity War forum.



They also "didn't use wire work" in DOFP for Halle...

Ok

 

[Limonade]

Spiderman was never a "Robin" in the older comics even in the presence of working with the Avengers. Even when Spiderman teamed up with the Beast he is never shown to be a lackey or sidekick or any other team ups.

Don't confuse what liberties comic book films take compared to the source material IMO.

As for Magneto speech his speeches carry weight because he actually has been proven to be right every step of the way so far. Magneto since First class has been a morally grey character for a reason.

Be that as it may they're both depicted as teens/young adults and is aimed at such demographics.

The old depictions of Spider-Man had a mature teenage nerdy teen in the late 60s. But he was teen nevertheless.

You should probably rage at how teens now in days need more help than before rather than Spider-man's depiction of being an actual teenager in modern times.

 

[Sithborg]

There's the X-forums I avoid.

 

[Phoenix Egg]

It was an ok trailer. Would have liked the difference between this and X3 to be more immediately apparent, but it's not bad.

The drama of the trailer doesn't quite live up to the dramatic axe-grinding about the film being on the wrong console here.

 

[EnDz0n3]

As for Magneto speech his speeches carry weight because he actually has been proven to be right every step of the way so far. Magneto since First class has been a morally grey character for a reason.

So Xavier's speeches didn't carry weight? Magneto and Mystique are the real heroes in this franchise. Singer and Kinberg, take a bow, your job here is done.

There's the X-forums I avoid.

Show me where the lie on my list is.

 

[boocherhix]

 

[Alessia]

I wonder what happens to Quicksilver, since he doesn't seem to be involved in the third act. Since he was overpowered in this franchise, I think there's probably an excuse to keep him out of the final act so doesn't resolve everything in seconds, but I still wonder what it is.

According to that plot leak (which now seems to be quite accurate),

Spoiler

it doesn't bode well for him at all. Talk about a letdown and a waste of character.

Though I really do want them to tye up his storyline with Magneto somehow. Probably unlikely that it's going to happen, but I'd love to see it as I was always a big fan of the Maximoff twins and their relationship with Mags.

 

[The Guard]

This trailer seems designed to do two things:

-Separate this movie from the more bombastic tone of Apocalypse.

-Show the differences between this and The Last Stand. I don’t think the similarity to X3 in the trailer is an accident. I think it’s part of their marketing. There’s a sort of “twist” on the elements that are similar, which are somewhat strategically placed at the beginning, middle and end of the trailer.

 

[josh8]

It's kind of crazy to be back on these boards! After XM:A, I thought I had lost the will to... judge comic book movies LOL.

The trailer is... interesting. I definitely think it's competent, but the ominous X3 cloud does hover over it. Even Storm's body language and outfit in the mansion scene (that's probably right after the funeral) is exactly that of Halle's in X3... in the mansion scene that's right after the funeral. It's concerning for sure, but the differences are there as well.

One minor thing I dug in this trailer is that the women are wearing earrings, which is a thing Singer always seemed to avoid.

Yesss!!! I definitely noticed this as well. I'm someone who's always paid a lot of attention to the X-Men wardrobe department's work. For the life of me I cannot fathom why they're hellbent on making these actors look as homely as humanly possible. That brings me to the next point...

11) Earthy Tones

For years, the X-Men logo and title card has been emblasoned in bold metallic fonts – but not here. X-Men: Dark Phoenix (or simply Dark Phoenix, as it’s being called in the US) has a darker, more mellow typeface that Kinberg explains is emblematic of a new tone for the franchise. “The way I wanted to make the movie was very different than the aesthetic of previous X-Men movies, which I’ve been very involved in and proud of,” he says. “But I wanted it to feel more naturalistic, I wanted it to feel edgier, more handmade, more real. I was very inspired by what James Mangold did with Logan, and I felt like if I could bring a measure of that aesthetic in the film that all of the intergalactic and larger-scale things that happen in the movie would feel more shocking, more realistic, more emotional. They’d be grounded in some reality. And so, all of the movie – from the costumes, to the title card, to the set design, to the way the X-jet looks – all of that stuff is just more analogue in a way. More like, let’s say, the original Star Wars movies. Not that analogue, but the movies I grew up loving had this very gritty, edgy, cool, human feeling to them.”

I get what he's saying. Battlestar Galactica took the same approach in contrasting strong scifi elements with very grounded, real-life elements and it worked for them. For the X-Men movies, suddenly involving aliens and cosmic entities with a visual aesthetic like GotG would be a mistake. I still want the fantasy, but having it look more like the movie "Arrival" or "Signs" (at least before the alien reveal) makes sense. But still, the civilian clothing in what appears to be the final act is kind of disappointing. They look like they're dressed for a hiking trip.

Question: Why is everyone always so fixated on Storm's hair? I feel like it's been something or other about her hair for 10 years on here.

Because Storm is such a visual character and they have NEVER gotten it right. I'm critical of Disney/MCU but they killed it with Black Panther and the depiction of Wakanda and all the different and beautiful characters.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Man, this movie doesn't really feel all that different from The Last Stand. My fiancee watched it, and I asked her, "Would you have any idea that the Phoenix was a sort of cosmic force?" She just said, "No, it just looks like Jean is having a hard time handling her powers emerging." So, to the average movie goer, this movie looks very much like The Last Stand with a slightly different cast. I'm not getting the greatest vibe. Now, there's no way I can think it's worse than Last Stand because I hold that film in such low esteem. The fact that it has to be better than that is the only thing I'm looking forward to unfortunately. Plus, Fassbender, McAvoy, and all the others really look like they're starting to just get bored with the characters. I can't say I blame them. As an actor, how many times can you play the same character and feel like you have something new to bring?

 

[guitarsingerguy]

This trailer seems designed to do two things:

-Show the differences between this and The Last Stand. I don’t think the similarity to X3 in the trailer is an accident. I think it’s part of their marketing. There’s a sort of “twist” on the elements that are similar, which are somewhat strategically placed at the beginning, middle and end of the trailer.

If that's what they're trying to do, it may blow up in their face with people like me. That's exactly why I was so uninterested in trailer.