I wouldn't necessarily say Cap or Peter were changed that much. Thor, yeah, after a couple movies and they seemed to let a director do what they want. I think the worst is TASM 2.
In Thor Ragnarok we have not only Thor acting 100% out of character, but also Loki, Hela, Odin, and Hulk.
Cap so far seems the closest to comic books, Tony Stark in Iron Man 3 was out of character but when they stop with the jokes he is on point. Ruffalo looks nothing like Banner and he is too much of comic relief. Scarlet Widow is okay but miscast. Hawkeye should be a little more irreverent but they did not make him do much.
Homecoming is the worst Spiderman movie, precisely because is the least resembling a Spiderman story of them all. Parker is a LOSER and has a miserable life that when he becomes Spiderman it gets even worse, i just saw nothing about Parker or Spiderman in that movie. Too many forced Avengers references, too many jokes, no Uncle Ben, unrecognizable Vulture. The part of Peter in the rubble was good thought. But beyond that he does not have much of the character, it would be nice if they gave the funny one liners to him, but since they all have that in the mcu he just does not stand out as much. He was good in Infinity War and okay in Civil War thought, except those "pop culture references" since he is meant to represent the youngest in the audience.
Dude, yes. Not only is it the last superhero franchise quality wise, but it's also the last one that isn't trying to tie an entire universe together. I mean this series is an artifact from an era that gave us the Spider-Man trilogy, and The Dark Knight trilogy. It'll be sad to see it go.
I'm also with you in terms of Apocalypse. It was a let down after DOFP, but it's still way above Last Stand, and X-Men: Origins. I might like it more than The Wolverine as well.
The first time i came out of Spiderman, Spiderman 2, X2 and TDK among others i was insane. Do you know how much i love Marvel/DC and how much effort they have to make to make me feel indifferent about a movie of any of their characters? And yet here we are, i grew up tired over business people with no creative vision getting the characters/stories wrong over and over and over again.
I was pretty excited after DOFP and Apocalypse, of what could come, and now i have a bittersweet feeling because i am not gonna feel excited about an X-Men movie anymore after this one, it kinda makes me sad to see disney get such a filmmaking monopoly and people happy about it.
I was excited after Infinity War too even thought it had some jokes that had no place to be in it, but i dont expect anything from the mcu after Avengers 4 except for maybe Black Panther 2 and Doctor Strange 2.
I was excited about Snyder League too after BvS and the trailers, but then i got my heart broken.
Apocalypse was not as good as DOFP, but the thing that i like about it is that is EXACTLY like reading a comic book: The shots, the dialogues, the situations, the action scenes, even the color palette, it was literally a comic book in film form. Snyder does that a lot and i love it, unlike the mcu that has a more "grounded and realistic" visual style that is shot in a total different way, more like a movie than a comic book panel.
The Last Stand has a lot of good stuff in it, maybe it has not aged well i have not seen it in ages. I found all Wolverine movies pretty "meh".
But the MCU does do everything better than Fox...lol I don't want that to be the case but there is a reason why Black Panther and Infinity War did over a BILLION at the box office, it wasn't by accident. Marvel IS better than Fox when it comes to doing comicbook movies- and if hearing that from a lot of fans is annoying or makes you feel some sort of way I don't know what to say. You and so many Fox defenders have it all wrong. You think it's hypocrocie that we criticize Fox for changing everything around but don't when it comes to the MCU. Here's what you are failing to understand- the MCU preserves the essence of each character (at least the more known characters)- sure they take liberties and change tons of stuff around, but the essence of each character remains intact. This is NOT the case with Fox. Everything that made the xmen xmen is gone. The X-men were one of the first comics to showcase women in positive lights, showing that some of the women of xmen are leaders w/awesome powers. You don't get that at all in this franchise-- there was always a science tie in to the comics that as a little boy i appreciated and that is now stripped away. There was always a true team dynamic at work- this franchise is not about the team it's about Xavier, Magneto, Mystique, and Wolverine-- the team dynamic has been stripped away. They had the character of Storm for how many years now?-- and they still haven't managed to display how truly awesome her powers are and worse yet they turned her into a cardboard box this entire series. I care so much more about Xmen than I do Avengers. My frustration w/Fox comes out of love for the property. Maybe it works for you and if that is the case I respect that, but u have to respect that for a lot of hardcore xmen fans like me, it hasn't been working.
I dont care about the money, that never reflects how good a movie is, and funny what you say because i feel the opposite, the fox movies have changed how the characters looks, but the essence remains for the most part, while the mcu puts comedy over everything else, then we get something like Iron Man 3, Age of Ultron or Thor Ragnarok that have literally nothing to do with anything related to Marvel. Both IM3 and Ragnarok have Tony and Thor turned into slapstick clowns just because is easier to sell them like that.
I totally get what you say and you even are right about it for the most part, but the mcu is not specially faithful either be it tone or characters or whatever, and i dont want X-Men movies to become goofy comedies just because disney wants all the money in the world.
Infinity War, the best mcu movie, still had the problem of artificial comedy, something that could have been as simple as do not film the scene of "invisible Drax" by example, because it makes the scene ridiculous and kills the mood.
I cannot trust disney with handling any property properly because they have failed, on purpose, a lot of times because they have other priorities that being faithful.
Look at DOFP, it has humor, but when it gets serious, there are no jokes in the middle of a tense of sad moment to try to make you laugh.
That is the main and biggest flaw the mcu hasm and is not only that it has forced, out of place, out of character, and all around just dumb humor (for the most part, not always all the time) but that it has self aware humor, it has "this is a superhero story, this is dumb and childish, comic books are not art, people know this is ridiculous because of x random reason, this should not be taken seriously" kind of jokes that just bring the whole thing down.
This is Marvel, where are the stakes, where is the tragedy, the moral dilemmas, the philosophy, the deep complex themes, the science fiction, the mystical stuff, the crazy weird characters, where is the Marvel spirit in the mcu movies? I have seen only brief flashes of it:
I am not saying that they have to be a full on tragedy or comedy all the time, but they have to find a balance, they have went overboard with the humor. The X-Men movies did it, is not hard for disney to do it, they only have to try.
That is my problem, it took them 10 years to make something like Infinity War, something that i never thought i would see by the way disney handles Marvel, and they still did not get it completely right.
I left most X-Men movies satisfied of what i saw, of the experience of seeing not only a good movie but a good adaptation of the source material, not without changes but with the spirit intact, i cannot say the same of the mcu and is not me, is them.
Just one more little thing, remember (and i saw it as i went throught this thread) people complaining about The Last Stand and how Wolverine kills Jean while saying that he loves her? THAT, THAT is a 100% Marvel and X-Men moment, that is what makes them great, i remember reading a review that said it was too much, that comic book movies are not "supposed" to be Shakesperian dramas, but yes, that is exactly what they have to be, is what made them good and successful for so many decades in the first place, that is why they are our modern mythology. Disney does not understand that so it wants to change it to appeal a broader audience that only see movies to pass the time, so we get a GREAT movie like Doctor Strange, that is filled with jokes that feel like they belong to a complete different movie bringing the whole thing down, almost as if the producers put them with a different colo pen in the finished script.
