Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Dark Raven]

Oscar Isaac's talent was wasted under all that crap make up. They could have had Apocalypse shape shift into a human persona to let him act his ass off for a bit.

Maybe Josh Brolin as Thanos could've done that as well.

 

[Aurakles]

We badly need a trailer. We'll finally have something tangable to argue about.

Absolutely agree.

 

[Charzhin0]

Honestly I didn't dislike the first trailer for Apocalypse. Maybe it was because it had the best shot of Apocalypse in the movie, and they withheld the purple lighting scene. I liked the monologue they gave him.

The subsequent trailers had pretty dire VFX though, and the movie never recovered from that. That shot of Psylocke cutting the car with the green screen background... yikes.

I liked the first trailer too. Got the eerie, ominous tone spot on. And Apocalypses/Isaacs cold, soft voice actually wasnt as bad as people made out. Most of them wanted the bombastic style of the cartoon but this was more sinister.

Too bad they cut the Krishna, Yaweh references. Those lines brought a lot of weight to his backstory. Im still annoyed they didnt delve deeper into Apocalypses past. I mean this is the first freakin mutant but Charles and Erics characters were written to react as if he was just another common run of the mill street villain. Hes THEE villain!

 

[SumT]

I want to watch a teaser trailer, to maybe get some hype.

But just the thought of Mystique getting a lot of lines while Storm 0 gets on my nerves.

who wanna bet?

 

[The Infernal]

Would reshoots not setback any potential trailer?

 

[Frankeh]

Oscar Isaac's talent was wasted under all that crap make up. They could have had Apocalypse shape shift into a human persona to let him act his ass off for a bit.

I blame Singer's direction (or lack there of) too.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Would reshoots not setback any potential trailer?

Yes and no.

Technically they ain't refilming the whole thing so there should be enough footage for a teaser... but then it also depends what is being reshot.

Personally i don't think it has anything to do with the reshoots. maybe they wanna finish the effects on it or maybe they wanna wait for a certain time to release it.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Im still annoyed they didnt delve deeper into Apocalypses past. I mean this is the first freakin mutant but Charles and Erics characters were written to react as if he was just another common run of the mill street villain. Hes THEE villain!

But was there really much to add to his backstory? the only big thing to take from his backstory would be that he was the first mutant and he was worshipped as a god because of his power.

I suppose you could add that he likely had switched bodies many times and stole many powers.

Obviously maybe there could have been more fuss the fact he was the first mutant and maybe could have been other bits of details thrown in but i dunno whether it would have added much more beyond the basics.

 

[The Guard]

I dunno, the whole “I’ve never felt power like this before” thing seemed pretty run of the mill...

 

[x-er]

We need some marketing ASAP. Some more covers, a teaser poster just something.

I have to agree. No point in shelving the movie if Marvel won’t use the XMen in another five, ten years.

 

[Charzhin0]

But was there really much to add to his backstory? the only big thing to take from his backstory would be that he was the first mutant and he was worshipped as a god because of his power.

I suppose you could add that he likely had switched bodies many times and stole many powers.

Obviously maybe there could have been more fuss the fact he was the first mutant and maybe could have been other bits of details thrown in but i dunno whether it would have added much more beyond the basics.

They should have got into Apocalypses tribe and harsh upbringing. The best villains are those you feel some sympathy for. They should have had him give Charles a linguistic battle around the theory of evolution and survival of the fittest from both their moral and ethical standpoints. Charles is a world leader in genetics and the revelation that this mutant is thousands of years old should have been a major shock to him (especially in a grounded universe), instead that scene in Egypt on the cliff he just acts like it isnt a big deal.

Same with Eric, when Apocalypse tells him he is Elohim, Shin, Ra its met with almost a "meh" reaction by Magneto. I just didn't like the way they treated Apocalypse, took away his prestige, importance and aura of myth. Hes meant to be godlike.

 

[SumT]

But was there really much to add to his backstory? the only big thing to take from his backstory would be that he was the first mutant and he was worshipped as a god because of his power.

I suppose you could add that he likely had switched bodies many times and stole many powers.

Obviously maybe there could have been more fuss the fact he was the first mutant and maybe could have been other bits of details thrown in but i dunno whether it would have added much more beyond the basics.

so basically you are accepting mediocrity on a script?


"it did the basics, so its good". Wow, such a lesson for filmakers everywhere

there is A LOT that could have been done with Apocalypse, and not just that 1st scene. a lot.

the whole old Egypt concept leads to plenty of material. history experts would agree. and viewers with some passion/interest with these topics too. Apocalypse is the villain where a studio could have really added a lot of context, backstory, social issues, religious issues...

and no, Kinberg script wasnt the best adaptation for crying out loud lol

 

[Charzhin0]

Singer talked a lot about wanting to explore religious themes and the origin of mutants but Kinberg didnt deliver. Such a golden opportunity wasted

 

[henzINNIT]

Apocalypse was badly mistreated. His introductory scene is a great sequence, but ultimately only serves to introduce the "body swap" macguffin and set him up to be awakened later. Apocalypse is barely present in the scene and we learn very little about him.


In hindsight, it's a really limiting decision to have Apocalypse in a coma. His age and knowledge, and his involvement in history are interesting things to explore, but the guy slept through it.

 

[The Infernal]

Apocalypse was badly mistreated. His introductory scene is a great sequence, but ultimately only serves to introduce the "body swap" macguffin and set him up to be awakened later. Apocalypse is barely present in the scene and we learn very little about him.


In hindsight, it's a really limiting decision to have Apocalypse in a coma. His age and knowledge, and his involvement in history are interesting things to explore, but the guy slept through it.

That was one of the things that really bugged me. It left no chance to build a connection with Sinister in future movies and it helped set the foundation for Apocalypse being a one and done villain with no real depth. And yet we can't get rid of Stryker.

 

[SumT]

Singer talked a lot about wanting to explore religious themes and the origin of mutants but Kinberg didnt deliver. Such a golden opportunity wasted

hell, Nightcrawler right there is a religious x-man, why Singer/Kinberg never adressed this connection? how would Kurt see someone that see himself as a god? what would the other x-men think about Apocalypse? or what would they think about this blue teenager that is an actual believer?

for the X-Men Apocalypse was just another crazy guy. 0 development regarding the core x-men/villain.

this just shows how f**** lazy Kinberg is. and how little he cares about the x-men, when they didnt even talk about the f**** main villain. yikessss

 

[Charzhin0]

hell, Nightcrawler right there is a religious x-man, why Singer/Kinberg never adressed this connection? how would Kurt see someone that see himself as a god? what would the other x-men think about Apocalypse? or what would they think about this blue teenager that is an actual believer?

for the X-Men Apocalypse was just another crazy guy. 0 development regarding the core x-men/villain.

this just shows how f**** lazy Kinberg is. and how little he cares about the x-men, when they didnt even talk about the f**** main villain. yikessss

It is indeed frustrating. X2 was good at introducing some interesting religious conflict for Nightcrawler and Stryker as well. But in Apocalypse, all we get is the opening intro and a quick Moira McTaggert exposition scene. I was hyped in the trailer at that scene when shes referring to the bible and the 4 horseman of the Apocalypse. I felt excited they were going to cover new ground and delve into religious lore a lot deeper but those few lines is all we got and that 0.5 second shot of Jubilee lol

 

[GuestStar2004]

so basically you are accepting mediocrity on a script?

I'm saying it gave us enough of the information that was needed. anything more would be extra detail, but perhaps not necessary detail in the wider picture.

Singer talked a lot about wanting to explore religious themes and the origin of mutants but Kinberg didnt deliver. Such a golden opportunity wasted

Its worth remembering that Singer was the boss so all he had to say the Kinberg was hey could we get more detail on apocalypse here? and he has even been known to write his own bits in the script too.

He apparently used to write down ideas on the car journey to the studio where he and Kinberg would then work it into the script.

 

[Cktopl33]

Singer talked a lot about wanting to explore religious themes and the origin of mutants but Kinberg didnt deliver. Such a golden opportunity wasted

Makes no sense due to the fact that Singer was part of crafting the story of the script with Kinberg from the very beginning due to his story credit:

"Story" is defined as "all writing covered by the [MBA] representing a contribution distinct from screenplay and consisting of basic narrative, idea, theme or outline indicating character development.

Kinberg doesn't have "written by" credit for X-men Apocalypse. If Singer wanted to focus on the religious themes and origin brought up during the initial planning stage, he...as director...would have made that part of the story in the script. Obviously he had change of plans. You act like Singer didn't know any better about the script. Screenplay is a format, a text version of a moving picture, which the story is translated into.

 

[Cktopl33]

Would reshoots not setback any potential trailer?

Not really. Plenty of films have released trailers while later undergoing reshoots. And teaser trailers certainly aren't dependent on only scenes from the last half of the movie. Besides, the trailer is supposedly currently being worked on (since someone claimed to have seen a rough cut of it), which would make sense if it releases 5 months from film debut like the previous x-men movie.

 

[Cktopl33]

We need some marketing ASAP. Some more covers, a teaser poster just something.

First posters are usually released alongside the first trailer. So marketing won't start until the trailer releases. That likely won't be until next month.

 

[GuestStar2004]

hell, Nightcrawler right there is a religious x-man, why Singer/Kinberg never adressed this connection? how would Kurt see someone that see himself as a god? what would the other x-men think about Apocalypse? or what would they think about this blue teenager that is an actual believer?

I think the point was that apocalypse was a false god and no one in 1983s mutant-filled world would see apocalypse as a god either way. he clearly wanted to think of himself as one though.

Singer wanted him to be a cult leader figure and often they are just con men who don't get respect unless they are able to rally it.

 

[x-er]

the first trailer was very promising in that regard. I was very intrigued by the way they incorporated the Bible into their mutant history and I know it’s wrong for some people but it makes room for some debate and controversy which is great. We all have different ideas and beliefs. Throwing in night crawlers religion in there could have added more depth to the film.

I get the feeling trailer 1 was still more of singers work. I recall a producer said they had treatments for x4 leading to x5 which makes me think they were planning days of future past and apocalypse for a long time. But you can tell singer bailed and his work got scrapped in favor of the cgi stuff, that trailer that aired in the super bowl seemed to shift the focus away from all that. Then The critics passed judgment and I opted out of watching it in theaters

 

[Frankeh]

I'm saying it gave us enough of the information that was needed. anything more would be extra detail, but perhaps not necessary detail in the wider picture.

How can it not be necessary when Apocalypse as a villain was regularly pointed out as the weakest part of the movie? There was definitely room for improvement there unless you believe there isn't and the bad reception to the movie was just because.

He needed a design overhaul and better writing to flesh him out.

 

[x-er]

Agreed!

Also, Remaking dark Phoenix with no solid arcs to work with was way too risky. It would have made sense to go xmen vs brotherhood, something about mutants coming to grips with who they are.

But I’m still eager to see the trailer. That shot of jean on fire looks surreal. And btw I like Sophie turner in this role. Only issue is the awkward telekinetic hand gestures. They’re supposed to be a tad more graceful than that