Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Davidstorm]

I'm pretty sure the trailer will be released on Thursday
Sophie goes to The Late Late Show with James Corden on the 26th, and there probably she should talk about the movie, probably some scene will be shown, and will announce that the next day the trailer will be released.

I think that fake account that started counting 10 days was correct.

 

[Limonade]

What are you even talking about? The point is the movie was made and now it's about time to put it out. Fox's current film slate has nothing to do with Disney, and the idea that them releasing this movie somehow hurts Disney or delay's Disney's X-Men plans, is illogical. No matter what Disney's first proper X-Men film is a good 3+ years away, so have fun waiting. In the meantime I'll be anticipating Dark Phoenix and getting increasingly hyped for it as the release gets closer, otherwise I wouldn't be posting here

Movie is made? What? Is the 3 months of reshoots still going? What's going on with this production? Somebody in this room please clarify.

There's so many obstacles in front of this film. Let alone--the idea of whether Marvel Studio is willing to allow this production to release. It's very possible that a Roger Corman's Fantastic Four situation is likely to happen with this film. And we all will have no choice but to wait until 3+ years.

I'm glad you're simply looking at this whole thing as a glass half full situation. But there's a possibility that you'll be just as disappointed if an indefinite delay occurs on this film once Kevin Feige has the X-Men rights. I've been wrong before, just recently too. But if we don't hear anything by 5th or 4th month before release... the situation won't be looking so good.

 

[EnDz0n3]

So it was two weeks reshoots. So much for 3 months

Collider was right. @EnDz0n3

Was it not you and CKTOPL that were adamant and who were spreading the following:

Again.... 2 weeks reshoots in 3 months!

Perhaps you shouldn't be so smug.

Besides 2 weeks is not correct.
“Around 2 weeks” is not correct.
Fourteen days, also not correct.
Fourteen days, spread out from August 28th to September 19th, is also incorrect.

So no, the Collider article wasn’t correct.

 

[Nintendo]

I'm pretty sure the trailer will be released on Thursday
Sophie goes to The Late Late Show with James Corden on the 26th

I really hope so! As long as the trailer is in front of Venom on my birthday I will be happy. I kind of want to hold out watching it until I see it in theaters. I really miss those days. Nowadays we get a trailer in front of the trailer lol, although is it me or is that trend dying?

 

[Nintendo]

It's very possible that a Roger Corman's Fantastic Four situation is likely to happen with this film.

I completely disagree with this. Corman's Fantastic Four was made for $1 million, not $150 million, had no name actors in it, was only made to obtain the rights, etc. It was never released because it was god aweful and would have never been a success. Fox or Disney for that matter, could dump this film in theaters with zero marketing and it would still make at least $400 million.

 

[Limonade]

I completely disagree with this. Corman's Fantastic Four was made for $1 million, not $150 million, had no name actors in it, was only made to obtain the rights, etc. It was never released because it was god aweful and would have never been a success. Fox or Disney for that matter, could dump this film in theaters with zero marketing and it would still make at least $400 million.

That's exaggerated. You're simply looking at it as cost vs reward hindsight at a casual glance.

Disney is very protective about their brands. It's not about the money on the table. If that wasn't the case, James Gunn wouldn't have been fired because GotG v.3 would have easily made $400 million as well against all odds (on the backs of IW, Pratt, Saldana, Rocket & Groot, and maybe Bautista)... easily.

All I'm saying is money, "Star Power" aside, when Disney sees something that can damage or cheapen the image of their potential franchise, property, and/or company... they'll stand firm against their fiery blow-back... and stand behind their principles.

In this case, X-Men is very popular. Disney could allow this movie to go through... and if they go with it... to me, it means that it must at least hit their standard of quality. At least, I hope it does.

#Rip GotG

 

[Nintendo]

That's exaggerated. You're simply looking at it as cost vs reward hindsight at a casual glance.

Disney is very protective about their brands. It's not about the money on the table. If that wasn't the case, James Gunn wouldn't have been fired because GotG v.3 would have easily made $400 million as well against all odds (on the backs of IW, Pratt, Saldana, Rocket & Groot, and maybe Bautista)... easily.

All I'm saying is money, "Star Power" aside, when Disney sees something that can damage or cheapen the image of their potential franchise, property, and/or company... they'll stand firm against their fiery blow-back... and stand behind their principles.

#Rip GotG

Well I don't completely disagree with that. I am no fan of Disney, especially after the James Gunn fiasco. But you're making a huge assumption based on nothing by saying Disney would even see this last X-Men film as some kind of threat to their future plans or their brand. Even if the merger is done by the time Dark Phoenix comes out, there's no reason to expect a Disney logo before the film starts. We don't even know what they are going to do with Fox, and whether it will remain as an arm of Disney or just be completely absorbed into Disney's current structure.

 

[icekid]

I didn't accuse you of anything. And I doubt Kinberg has time to post in a forum like SHH. I don't even think he read the comics religiously.

You are the one accusing posters of false things.
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If you couldn’t perceive my tone in the last post, it was more of a “haha sorry, silly me” type of thing so not really leaving any room for back and forth there. As someone who has been active here well over 12 years with so few posts as I, interactions through the years stand out a lot more, ya know?

As for the marketing question, they originally had to have been planning an 11 month marketing timeline as we received out first look in 2 magazines in December and January. Teaser should have probably hit around March based on what I’ve heard was and was not looking somewhat finished from the test screening in February.

This was an aggressive summer and will be an aggressive winter with all of the other movies in the same genre, so maybe they saw opportunity in not getting lost in the campaign crowd with their new release date. Perhaps they had to reallocate marketing budget to compensate for the reshoots which some seem effects heavy in an already effects heavy film. Now they’re going for a fast and furious approach when they wont really have to share too much of the spotlight outside of the December crowd and CA which releases after.

 

[Limonade]

Well I don't completely disagree with that. I am no fan of Disney, especially after the James Gunn fiasco. But you're making a huge assumption based on nothing by saying Disney would even see this last X-Men film as some kind of threat to their future plans or their brand. Even if the merger is done by the time Dark Phoenix comes out, there's no reason to expect a Disney logo before the film starts. We don't even know what they are going to do with Fox, and whether it will remain as an arm of Disney or just be completely absorbed into Disney's current structure.

At least from the most recent interview from Bob Iger… All Marvel stuff will go to Kevin Feige as Iger puts it, "... it only makes sense." In the end, it all rests on his shoulders once everything is set in place.

And you're right, the merger might not be done in time before Dark Phoenix comes out. So it could come out... and all is fine. This is new and unexplored territory very everyone, fans, both companies, productions, etc.

And to be honest, with New Mutants almost seemingly being non-existence in our minds... like you said, Dark Phoenix may be the only X-Men movie we will have for a while.

 

[Nintendo]

Have there been any reports on when New Mutants will have it's reshoots? I've basically given up on that film in my mind, but I still really want to see it.

 

[Zarex]

Oh, so showing hero falling apart is somehow more outdated and unoriginal than hero kickin' someone's butt?

The same hack writer told this story a dozen years ago. It ain't original. And having a female superhero be the one to fall apart onscreen - TWICE! - isn't great when there are so few in the movies.

Actually, that kind of attitude explains a lot about your opinions. Like, yeah, who needs those dark, compelling character-driven drama films, all comic book movies are supposed to be fun and lighthearted, we are only here for some mindless flashy action and quips! Yay!

Admittedly, I prefer my comic book movies awfully comic booky. But if you are expecting Writer/Director/Producer Simon Kinberg to deliver a dark compelling character-driven drama, you may want to temper your expectations. A bit better than Apocalypse is probably the best case scenario.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The same hack writer told this story a dozen years ago. It ain't original. And having a female superhero be the one to fall apart onscreen - TWICE! - isn't great when there are so few in the movies.

Admittedly, I prefer my comic book movies awfully comic booky. But if you are expecting Writer/Director/Producer Simon Kinberg to deliver a dark compelling character-driven drama, you may want to temper your expectations. A bit better than Apocalypse is probably the best case scenario.

You keep mentioning Simon Kinberg but your point was never about him, it was that it was your belief that the idea is a tough sell because its outdated and movie goers want to see strong women that don't have any power struggles.

 

[Zarex]

You keep mentioning Simon Kinberg but your point was never about him, it was that it was your belief that the idea is a tough sell because its outdated and movie goers want to see strong women that don't have any power struggles.

The person responding to my post raised the topic of the originality of the story and the film tone. Do try and keep up.

Struggles with powers are fine. Lots of heroes have them. But Dark Phoenix - as opposed to a Phoenix movie, which I would prefer seeing - means Jean loses her battle. Again. It's like revealing Doomsday is appearing in your Superman movie. We know beforehand it's going to end badly.

I'm old enough to remember how disappointed female comic fans were to lose a hero who could smack around Firelord. I didn't care for how the story ended back in the day and I dont now.

 

[Nintendo]

So let's talk about action scenes. Who does everyone want to see get a big action moment if you had to choose 1? For me it's 100% Cyclops. I feel like he is the only character in the series that has never had a big action moment other than Rogue. It's obvious this is the film he becomes the leader of the X-Men, and I will be all smiles if we get a scene with Cyc' taking out multiple aliens at once, almost like a fast action sniper. I want to see that wide version of his laser finally shown on film.

 

[Cktopl33]

Was it not you and CKTOPL that were adamant and who were spreading the following: "Again.... 2 weeks reshoots in 3 months!"

Correction, that was based on the estimated time announced for Chastain and McAvoy filming IT ch2, which was said to last until sometime in October....a three month span, which I stated. Since they finished ahead of schedule, they were available sooner and thus reshoots ended quicker. My point emphasized that they weren't filming three full months of continuous shooting but rather would be spread out within that period when the actors become available (which you predictably omitted). But whatever Endzo......

 

[Crimson99]

Dark Phoenix is going to be a nice boost for an industry looking for something unique. The biggest problem with Xmen Apocalypse was it was too formulaic and the combat sequences were terrible.

If Dark Phoenix uses combat sequences that really are more dynamic and wider in scope it would make it more a cinematic experience than CW action.

 

[Cktopl33]

In this case, X-Men is very popular. Disney could allow this movie to go through... and if they go with it... to me, it means that it must at least hit their standard of quality. At least, I hope it does.

Disney doesn't have any say over the film or any properties Fox currently own because the merger has not closed and isn't projected to close until sometime after Dark Phoenix releases. So, it's nothing to do with what Disney will "allow". Because of legal matters, Disney can do nothing until the merger has officially closed. Disney also wouldn't know anything about the quality of the movie because it has no involvement on the production of the film.

There's so many obstacles in front of this film. Let alone--the idea of whether Marvel Studio is willing to allow this production to release. It's very possible that a Roger Corman's Fantastic Four situation is likely to happen with this film. And we all will have no choice but to wait until 3+ years.

It was also reported that Disney would release every Fox film completed or in production at the time of the acquisition. Either way, you will still have to wait 3+ years before an MCU x-men movie is made. Marvel now appear to be moving forward with their next new franchise, The Eternals (not x-men), to usher in Phase 4.

Movie is made? What? Is the 3 months of reshoots still going? What's going on with this production? Somebody in this room please clarify.

As far as what's been revealed from cast members or crew, reshoots have ended. There were only a couple of weeks of shooting. Reshoots mostly began at the start of this month. Last month crew were setting up equipment and sets.

 

[EnDz0n3]

It was never gonna be "continuous." Yea some people on here laughed it off (myself included) with the 3 month announcement but we all knew there was always gonna be breaks in between.

The question is when they started the reshoots and when they stopped (or are they still happening)? The social media postings from the crew, cast and insiders show only a small glimpse as to who filmed what, when. They are obviously not going to share every bit of filming information, which would be highly suspect after months (years! The movie started Principal in June 2017) of secrecy.

The days of reshoots is ALSO not 2 weeks or even the 3 weeks CKtoP33 has been pushing.

You keep mentioning Simon Kinberg but your point was never about him, it was that it was your belief that the idea is a tough sell because its outdated and movie goers want to see strong women that don't have any power struggles.

Why is it the Kinberg defenders are always the first to complain when Simon Kinberg is talked about in a thread discussing the movie he's producing, writing and directing? You would think they couldn't wait to talk about Simon.

Is it because they know his filmography is hard to defend and would rather talk about abstract things like hope and keeping positive and crossing fingers?

 

[Cktopl33]

So let's talk about action scenes. Who does everyone want to see get a big action moment if you had to choose 1? For me it's 100% Cyclops. I feel like he is the only character in the series that has never had a big action moment other than Rogue. It's obvious this is the film he becomes the leader of the X-Men, and I will be all smiles if we get a scene with Cyc' taking out multiple aliens at once, almost like a fast action sniper. I want to see that wide version of his laser finally shown on film.

I don't know what to expect since this is the first time we will see a Kinberg directed movie, so I won't know how he handles action until I see it. I already know Bryan Singer does not do action well from his many films, including non-xmen related. We'll see how Kinberg does with the team he's put together.

 

[Cktopl33]

The days of reshoots is ALSO not 2 weeks or even the 3 weeks CKtoP33 has been pushing.

Oh.....ok.....so......what is it then, Endzo?

Is it because they know his filmography is hard to defend and would rather talk about abstract things like hope and keeping positive and crossing fingers?

It's not his filmography we have to defend. His filmography is predominately collaboration. No one has seen what his directing style is yet. This is the first x-men movie written by a singular writer and directed under a singular vision. And again, looking at filmography isn't a testament to how well a film will turn out. Everyone thought Bryan Singer would do great with Apocalypse based on his filmography.....but that didn't turn out so well (critically worse than X3 and no one expected such a thing possible!) And he directed several x-men films! That's what you have to defend: How is it possible that a seasoned director, who had experience directing these movies, put out a film with such low quality? I gave Singer a shot. Now I'm giving Kinberg a shot.

 

[EnDz0n3]

No CKtoP33. The lesson to be learned from Apocalypse sucking is that it's Very Hard to make a good movie. You actually have to be present, you can't go off on mini vacations. You can't leave your crew to ghost-direct for you. (Huh...ghost-direct. I wonder where I heard that before).

Coincidentally the lesson also is that it's Not Hard to make a bad movie. One need only to look at the number of Rotten films released each year. Seven of which is part of Simon Kinberg's filmography. The same filmography you don't have to defend.

 

[Cktopl33]

No CKtoP33. The lesson to be learned from Apocalypse sucking is that it's Very Hard to make a good movie. You actually have to be present, you can't go off on mini vacations. You can't leave your crew to ghost-direct for you. (Huh...ghost-direct. I wonder where I heard that before).

Coincidentally the lesson also is that it's Not Hard to make a bad movie. One need only to look at the number of Rotten films released each year. Seven of which is part of Simon Kinberg's filmography. The same filmography you don't have to defend.

Don't make me laugh, Endzo. Isn't that simply a lesson about how to be an effective director? Everything came back to Singer's behavior in your comment....which was my point. Singer was responsible for his movie he directed. He was responsible for everything you see on screen, from costume choices to action style, including part of the story. He's done.

I haven't heard Kinberg ghost directing anything, but I have heard someone else instead who seem to be ignored in favor of this fictional Kinberg narrative. But whatever Endzo....keep the narrative going I guess. And I don't have to defend films Simon didn't direct. He's not responsible for their outcome which you seem to love overlooking.

 

[Nintendo]

Bryan Singer gets too much **** for the action in his X-Men films, when the beginning of X2 is one of the best superhero action scenes I've ever seen. The beginning of Apocalypse was also very awesome. And Days of Future Past's future scenes, while short, were very effective to me. That final battle is incredibly tense and I love that this series and this studio was not afraid to kill off multiple characters, some a decade on screen, multiple times, in brutal fashion.

 

[Cktopl33]

Bryan Singer gets too much **** for the action in his X-Men films, when the beginning of X2 is one of the best superhero action scenes I've ever seen. The beginning of Apocalypse was also very awesome. And Days of Future Past's future scenes, while short, were very effective to me. That final battle is incredibly tense and I love that this series and this studio was not afraid to kill off multiple characters, some a decade on screen, multiple times, in brutal fashion.

Except they are incredibly dated in the way he shoots them. Just like Brett Ratner's over reliance on wire-work for X3 that stands out like a sore thumb. They simply don't hold up to a lot of the action in Marvel films. They just don't. Not as dynamic. Singer doesn't particularly shoot action packed movies. Even Logan seemed more dynamic in it's action than the x-men films despite being more grounded & gritty. Which is why I'm curious to see how Kinberg approaches his action scenes.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Don't make me laugh, Endzo. Isn't that simply a lesson about how to be an effective director? Everything came back to Singer's behavior in your comment....which was my point. Singer was responsible for his movie he directed. He was responsible for everything you see on screen, from costume choices to action style, including part of the story. He's done.

The point is that Singer has shown that he has the talent and can churn out X2's and The Usual Suspects's. If he put his all to it. Apocalypse and Jack The Giant Slayer is what happens when he doesn't.

I haven't heard Kinberg ghost directing anything, but I have heard someone else instead who seem to be ignored in favor of this fictional Kinberg narrative.

You didn't believe the Fant4stic rumours so it doesn't matter if you heard Apocalypse ghost-directing rumours. You wouldn't believe them anyways since they don't fit your narrative, CKtoP33.

But whatever Endzo....keep the narrative going I guess.

Your go-to is always that you don't believe in rumours. But most of the stuff you know of this movie are from rumours and tweets on the interwebs. Conveniently you choose to believe (and share on the boards) the positive rumours.

And I don't have to defend films Simon didn't direct. He's not responsible for their outcome which you seem to love overlooking.

You already admitted that you don't "have to defend his filmography." So this whole post was moot.