Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[TheVileOne]

Although i do think people are over confident with marvels approach to X-Men since i don't think its gonna go the way people think its gonna go, and basically the way people think its gonna go is however they want it to go... Marvel have made subconscious promises to the fans that they never actually made.

I remember alot of people were speculating that Marvel would revive the animated series and i am still puzzled why people think that? its almost like fans have transfixed marvel into this company that wants to give the fans everything they wanna see... when really what its gonna come down to is you will get what they give you and you will accept it because where else can the franchise go after marvel get it?

The Russo brothers said if they could have used any character from FOX it would be Wolverine. doesn't matter whether they already had loads of focus, they want to use Wolverine... what about the others? i dunno, they didn't mention them.

And you know how it's going to go because...?

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Love the trailer!

 

[Flash525]

Phoenix vs Thanos?

 

[squeekness]

I am thinking they want to play with the whole they changed history but the future still rhymes and has similarities. For DoFP, that made sense. But here, just do something new!

This. And I hope they do. (Not that I minded X3 all that much.)

 

[squeekness]

She is wearing a coat in the movie, although not reddish:

And in the poster, it does look like the red coat from X3:

Nice poster.

 

[Detective Conan]

agreed.

to be worried about Marvel Studios sounds like a joke to me lol

Not to mention we have no idea what Marvel will do with the Mutants.

Some fans of the Fox-X-Men fear that Disney/Marvel will “kiddify” the Mutants and make them all super jokey and less serious/topical but as we’ve seen with films like Black Panther and Winter Solider I think Marvel can handle those classic X-Men themes just fine.

 

[Davidstorm]

I think they will display some complete scene just like they did in DOFP but should not get to 20 minutes.

 

[Herolee10]

If anything, the biggest redeeming quality about this film is that Cyclops seems like he will finally get his due and be treated as a main/major character for once in a X-Men film without being overshadowed by Wolverine.

I am glad that they cam dive into his relationship with Jean without having to deal with any love triangles in the way and that it looks like they are finally going to portray him as a leader to the group.

 

[lofoa82]

I'm free to make a prediction. I don't see you asking that asinine question to posters that think it would be good.

Well then it's good that you clarify it's a prediction, which hereby means you accept it can be good, too.

And no one is forbidding you to make a prediction, but clearly your response of "It won't" (be a good movie) is more an affirmation than a prediction, don't you think?

I'm wondering why you're so negative regarding the movie, dude. I sincerely wish Kinberg can pull a First Class or DOFP type of movie, as I believe most fans of the X-Men movies are wishing.

 

[Ordet]

I think Marvel’s approach to the X-Men will be sort of similar to their approach with Spider-Man which is do stuff from the comics that is fresh and new territory for the films because the movies before never touched on them before. I also trust Marvel will do the prudent thing and not have Magneto as the villian in the first film instead going for someone who hasn’t been on screen yet. I think Marvel will use new ideas from the comics that have never been explored before in the films. At least it won’t feel like a retread like this looks like it’s going to be.

Spidey in Homecoming is Totally out of character in a worse way than...i don't know...than the terrible Deadpool in the awful first Wolverine.

It's incredibile the power of disney's marketing on creating a totally false perceptions of the what is faithfull to comics.

 

[Davidstorm]

I'm still excited, and confident that it will be a good movie.
even if I have some X3 stuff, I think this time they're going to hit it
I'm excited to see my mutants facing the aliens, leaving the planet and etc.
this movie has some good attractions and also I hope that this younger cast has the opportunity to participate in a good x-men movie.

 

[The Infernal]

LOL, that would be hilarious.

It would speak to the Foxverse's inability to consistently give us good quality adaptation of characters from the comic. Though to be fair a more subdued take on Onslaught isn't without precedent.

And you know how it's going to go because...?

I have to wonder if certain people are not simply being hopeful at this point. While we're hopeful that the mcu X-men will go back to be basics like the first couple of films and hopefully be more on point with characters like Rogue, they're more hopeful that it will be a campy mess just to prove Foxverse naysayers wrong.

 

[Lip]

Ok, I was reading the full leaked spoilers, and there are more evidence those are true:

Spoiler

About Chastain's character:

-It is and I can only assume because that's the name she uses as a human? So basically aliens land close to a country house and Jessica Chastain is there as a normal human. The alien kills her and shapeshifts into her but with bleached white hair. She then somehow steals the identity of an fbi agent with this body. That's where "smith" comes in I guess?

-Ok so this is how it goes down. Jessica chastain plays a normal human at first (she has red hair) . Aliens land by her fancy house by a lake and they kill them all. The alien that kills Jessica shapeshifts into her but with bleach white hair. Then she meets with another alien in a church (religious parallel is so obvious it hurts) and this alien took the place of an fbi agent and then gets Alien (jessica) identification to go around as an fbi agent. Its stupid and makes no sense lmao

About Magneto's "brotherhood":
-Random mutants. One looks like slipknot from SS and uses his dreadlocks like whips/tentacles

In the trailer there is a guy with dreads following Eric.

Since he got even those details right, I think it's safe to assume the leaked spoilers are indeed true.

 

[Iceman]

Spidey in Homecoming is Totally out of character in a worse way than...i don't know...than the terrible Deadpool in the awful first Wolverine.

It's incredibile the power of disney's marketing on creating a totally false perceptions of the what is faithfull to comics.

Are you sure it’s more out of character than Deadpool in XMO:W?

Even if your views of Spidey in Homecoming are correct, it seems they’re being magnified beyond a normal level for some reason.

 

[Davidstorm]

none of this sounds bad, if it is well done ..
the annoying of these leaks, is that people say based only on their own taste, I know people who find logan and DOFP very boring.

 

[Davidstorm]

It's safe to say Olivia Munn and Psylocke won't be appearing. It's a shame, she's really good and committed and would have deserved more.

One thing I did not understand, is why she never said she would not attend
the actress who made moira when asked quoted that she would not be in DP, already manum traveled to the canada in the days of filming and when asked about it, always said she could not talk about.

 

[Herolee10]

Ok, I was reading the full leaked spoilers, and there are more evidence those are true:

Spoiler

About Chastain's character:

-It is and I can only assume because that's the name she uses as a human? So basically aliens land close to a country house and Jessica Chastain is there as a normal human. The alien kills her and shapeshifts into her but with bleached white hair. She then somehow steals the identity of an fbi agent with this body. That's where "smith" comes in I guess?

-Ok so this is how it goes down. Jessica chastain plays a normal human at first (she has red hair) . Aliens land by her fancy house by a lake and they kill them all. The alien that kills Jessica shapeshifts into her but with bleach white hair. Then she meets with another alien in a church (religious parallel is so obvious it hurts) and this alien took the place of an fbi agent and then gets Alien (jessica) identification to go around as an fbi agent. Its stupid and makes no sense lmao

About Magneto's "brotherhood":
-Random mutants. One looks like slipknot from SS and uses his dreadlocks like whips/tentacles

In the trailer there is a guy with dreads following Eric.

Since he got even those details right, I think it's safe to assume the leaked spoilers are indeed true.

Agreed.

Though we do have to consider on how the recent reshoots may jave changed a few things from the cut that the guy saw.

 

[Iceman]

It's safe to say Olivia Munn and Psylocke won't be appearing. It's a shame, she's really good and committed and would have deserved more.

Huge shame to me. I was hoping they would give her more in this one.

 

[BeholdMe]

Ok this is just my personal opinion on the trailer. It wasnt horrible by any means at all it does seem well shot and the drama is indeed there.also they really have Tye acting like Cyclops and it is very believable to me they seem to be doing the character justice from the trailer. Though my issue is it seems like X3 over again and that movie was terrible alot of the looks, the sets, the same beats all are very similar or the same entirely. The suits im not a fan of I know they used a variation of them in the Morrrison run but these look very cheap and unflattering though I do like colors, I felt the suits they had at the end of the Apocalypse looked better with a bit more tailoring up I preferred those. The "Acolytes" reminds me of the look of the Morlocks I just really didnt like it but as I said it wasnt horrible at all I did enjoy some parts of it, just kind of let down was expecting something truly epic,but it was the first trailer and I really liked the end scene with the fire cracking through Jeans skin very great look.

 

[The Infernal]

Are you sure it’s more out of character than Deadpool in XMO:W?

Even if your views of Spidey in Homecoming are correct, it seems they’re being magnified beyond a normal level for some reason.

I can understand people finding Homecoming's changes to Spider-man (especially his supporting characters) a step too far for them to enjoy the movie, but comparing Tom Holland's Spider-man to Barakapool is a hyperbole too far.

It's safe to say Olivia Munn and Psylocke won't be appearing. It's a shame, she's really good and committed and would have deserved more.

It's a shame. Munn balked at the idea of playing Vanessa in Deadpool, but it was the far better role and her bad luck with the recent Predator movie means she could do with a break. She seems like she's at least trying.

 

[lofoa82]

Munn was strangely vague regarding Dark Phoenix which could make people think she is indeed in the movie.

Olivia Munn Is Probably Reprising Psylocke In X-Men: Dark Phoenix

X-Men star Olivia Munn says Dark Phoenix feels like 'a two parter'

I wouldn't discard a cameo (probably in Genosha), although it would be a waste not to include Psylocke in the action.

 

[Crimson99]

Chastain's character is the critical piece of the movie in giving DP a different vibe from X3 Last Stand and a different final act. However, a second trailer can convince those on the fence by showing more of the space scenes and action sequences IMO.

The reason I say this is because the bar for comic book movies now is that the action fight sequences are a big part of it. When Nolan did the Batman franchise it wasn't that top of a priority and the same with Singer regarding fight scenes in comic book movies . But a lot of time has passed since then, so Dark Phoenix has to show an evolution to the action fight sequences. I suspect that will be the case with DP but only time will tell!

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I just think that's a badass coat that Chastain's character has.

That is all.

 

[lofoa82]

I just think that's a badass coat that Chastain's character has.

That is all.

You're making me think a lot of things now

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

1) Jean Grey: The Early Years

While X-Men: Apocalypse introduced a grown-up Jean to the First Class timeline, it turns out that Charles Xavier has a longer-standing relationship with her. “There are not a lot of flashbacks in the movie, but that foundational relationship between Young Jean and a younger Charles is one of the core themes of the film,” Kinberg explains. “The question of Jean’s relationship to her own powers becomes a big conflict for her throughout the film once she’s transformed by something that happens up in space, that has nothing to do with her childhood. It opens with a mission that takes them up into space that has consequences for Jean that ripple throughout the movie.”

2) The Professor’s Problem

In previous tellings of the Dark Phoenix story, Professor X has limited Jean’s capabilities after seeing the full potential of her power – and the Dark Phoenix trailer teases at a similar strand here. “Charles has been hiding secrets about Jean’s past from her that get revealed over the span of the movie, and only make her more unstable,” say Kinberg. “It’s the most inopportune time for this character to become unstable emotionally, because she’s becoming unstable in a much different way after this cosmic thing that happened to her in space. In this way, Dark Phoenix is the most intimate, emotional and personal movie we’ve made, and yet also has the biggest breadth in terms of spanning beyond our planet, even beyond our galaxy. There’s a sense that the things that are happening emotionally for Jean and what’s happening cosmically inside her is making her incredibly unstable, dangerous, destructive.”

3) Present Day

Cut back to the main timeline, and a reasonable amount of time has elapsed since we last saw Prof X and co. “It’s 1992, nine years after Apocalypse,” confirms Kinberg. “The X-Men have become the X-Men that many of us know from the comics – they are heroes. They’re still viewed as different by society, but they’ve been more embraced than ever before. And when the movie starts in 1992, they are a known superhero team.”

4) Suburban Outfitters

In a move sure to please many long-term fans, the X-uniform in Dark Phoenix finally brings in a classic yellow-and-blue design similar to the comic and cartoon incarnations. “I’ve been waiting to do that from the first time I ever got a call from Avi Arad,” Kinberg enthuses. “Avi and Kevin Feige were the chief two people that called me about an X-Men movie 15 years ago. We talked about the costumes, and what Bryan Singer had done I understood and liked, but they were very different to what I had grown up seeing in the comics. So I was excited finally as the director to have more of a say and clothe them in their classic costumes.”

The new look pinches elements from various designs seen on page and screen over the years. “I had a board full of my favourite images from the comics, and then I worked with our costume designer, who also worked on Logan, to create something that was incredibly loyal to the comics and then also had a little bit of its own feel. There’s little nuances from the cartoons, the comics, from whatever it is that if you were a fan you grew up reading or watching.”

5) Sense Of Mystique

While Mystique was primarily an antagonist in the original X-Mentrilogy, working alongside Magneto, she’s skewed more heroic as Raven since her introduction in First Class. At the end of Apocalypseshe chose to stay with Charles, and help establish the X-Men – and she’s still part of the group nine years on. “Raven is a part of the X-Men, but she’s critical of some of Charles’ methodologies, in terms of him feeling as though they can just dress up in those costumes and be considered the same as the rest of humanity,” Kinberg explains. “So there is a schism forming between her and Charles. That struggle has been present in every movie, and we do it in a hopefully slightly more subtle way in this film. She toggles back and forth between Raven and Mystique, and there is meaning to that as there has always been in the previous three X-Men movies.”

6) Star-Crossed Lovers

Jean and Scott Summers, aka Cyclops, both entered the prequel saga in Apocalypse, with sparks of chemistry between the two. In the comics and original film trilogy, the pair are a fully-fledged item – and in the intervening nine years they find themselves in a similar place emotionally here. “The love story between Scott and Jean is such an integral part of the Dark Phoenix saga in any iteration, whether it’s the comic book or the cartoons,” reasons Kinberg. “Obviously we don’t have Wolverine, so that’s one less part of that love story. It is very central [to the movie], and they are a couple. As Jean starts to become more unstable, there are people in the X-Men who don’t think she can be helped and saved, many of whom think the world and others need helping and saving from her. And so Scott is probably the most prominent person who’s holding on to the hope that Jean can be saved.”

7) The Village Green Preservation Society

While Charles remained at his mansion to build the X-Men team at the end of Apocalypse, Erik Lensherr, aka Magneto, went his separate way. In the Dark Phoenix trailer, he’s in a leafy commune when Jean approaches him for guidance. “What you’re seeing is the beginnings of Genosha,” reveals Kinberg. “That’s where Erik is when we meet him. It’s like Magneto’s Israel – a land built for mutants, a homeland where they can be safe and self-sufficient.

"Jean finds him there because what’s happening to her is making her do destructive things, and she doesn’t know why. The only person she’s known who has done destructive and lethal things in the past but came back from it is Magneto. She feels he alone can give her answers because he’s lived both sides. He’s lost control and killed and hurt people, some of whom he even loved, and yet he’s also found a measure of peace and that’s what she’s searching for.”

8) Intergalactic Influence

The main new cast addition to the series is Jessica Chastain, who’s gone all platinum-blonde to play… well, we don’t know. But Kinberg elaborated a little on the origins of her character. “I can tell you this much. Jessica’s character is not of this Earth. She’s an extra-terrestrial character, an alien character,” he teases. “I won’t say much more in detail on the specifics of that. While everyone else is trying to control this power inside of Jean, she’s much more interested in essentially encouraging her to go further with it and try to be the peaceful side of herself. She is the devil on Jean’s shoulder, so to speak.”

9) Cosmic Jam

Cut to the end of the trailer, and we get a glimpse of the outer space incident that kicks off the whole Phoenix takeover. “Jean is in space, and what she’s taking in is a cosmic force that she thinks is one thing, and over the course of the movie realises is something far different, that our human science can’t explain,” says Kinberg. “But she needs to find a way to control it or she’ll destroy more than just her friends – and even our planet.”

10) Cracked Actor

Before the title card, we see Jean in Phoenix mode, face streaked with white lines – and she’s only just getting started. “That’s not maximum [Phoenix]. That’s a two or a three on the Dark Phoenix spectrum,” warns Kinberg. “It is a manifestation of her transformation from the Jean we know into Phoenix. Over the span of the movie we see different symptoms or iterations of that. The lines on her face let you know that Jean is losing control, and that force inside her is trying to escape, push through, take over. Those cracks are almost as if something inside her that’s more powerful than she is is trying to push out of her body.”

11) Earthy Tones

For years, the X-Men logo and title card has been emblasoned in bold metallic fonts – but not here. X-Men: Dark Phoenix (or simply Dark Phoenix, as it’s being called in the US) has a darker, more mellow typeface that Kinberg explains is emblematic of a new tone for the franchise. “The way I wanted to make the movie was very different than the aesthetic of previous X-Men movies, which I’ve been very involved in and proud of,” he says. “But I wanted it to feel more naturalistic, I wanted it to feel edgier, more handmade, more real. I was very inspired by what James Mangold did with Logan, and I felt like if I could bring a measure of that aesthetic in the film that all of the intergalactic and larger-scale things that happen in the movie would feel more shocking, more realistic, more emotional. They’d be grounded in some reality. And so, all of the movie – from the costumes, to the title card, to the set design, to the way the X-jet looks – all of that stuff is just more analogue in a way. More like, let’s say, the original Star Wars movies. Not that analogue, but the movies I grew up loving had this very gritty, edgy, cool, human feeling to them.”

Interesting.