Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Lip]

Well the trailer was available a long time ago and people can easily make up a spoiler based on that trailer. It's funny that some sites, which didn't like Fox-Marvel movies before, are reporting positive things about this movie and people choose to believe a spoiler thread on reddit which has been debunked by the mods.

The leaked plot gets a lot of details right, like:

-Describing the guy following Magneto
-Agent Smith meeting an ally in a church
-Genosha looking like a set from The Walking Dead
-Jean using the red coat, which does not appear in the trailer, but was confirmed by Sophie Turner.

And also one thing does not deny the other. The guy saying the movie was bad was his personal opinion. So the leaked spoilers being right doesn't mean some web-sites won't enjoy the trailer.

If you enjoy the trailer and is happy about, it's fine. You can't deny those leaked spoilers got a lot of things right 4 months ago.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

The leaked plot gets a lot of details right, like:

-Describing the guy following Magneto
-Agent Smith meeting an ally in a church
-Genosha looking like a set from The Walking Dead
-Jean using the red coat, which does not appear in the trailer, but was confirmed by Sophie Turner.

"You're always sorry, Charles, and there's always a speech."

Spoiler

Magneto does become an opposing force again and faces off with Charles' team. It's funny because before their fight begins and Charles is trying to talk him out of it magneto goes like "every time we do this it's the same thing over again"- something along those lines

Oh, Lord.

 

[Lip]

"You're always sorry, Charles, and there's always a speech."

Spoiler

Magneto does become an opposing force again and faces off with Charles' team. It's funny because before their fight begins and Charles is trying to talk him out of it magneto goes like "every time we do this it's the same thing over again"- something along those lines

Oh, Lord.

Exactly. Not to mention other plot points shown or hinted in the trailer like the car accident. Or...

Spoiler

Raven being killed, Beast being angry and joining force with Eric to take down Jean.

Hard to say it's not legit.

 

[fobi]

I don't think anyone is denying the veracity of the leak, at least I'm not. I just seems that people were harping on the fact that this person thought it was terrible instead of forming your own opinion of a finished product. Of course anyone is free to believe that if they want but I'd rather judge for myself.

Anyway, as far as the trailer, the more I think about it the more I think that they made a mistake with making it seem that it was similar to X3 in the way that she got her powers. In interviews he's very clear that a cosmic force takes over and that her turning "dark" was due the the fact that she was beginning to realize things that happened to her that Xavier tried to suppress. That has always been consistent with the comics though, except it was the death of her friend that he was trying to suppress. A lot of people seem to think from the trailer that her power manifesting is a result of the "barriers" he put in her mind starting to break down and that's really not the case. I completely understand why people would get X3 vibes from the trailer from that, I did too but after reading what Kinberg said, it cleared it up. Most people aren't going to read an article about a movie so they're just going to go by what they see in the trailer, which is completely understandable.

 

[Elayis]

I just rewatched portions of Apocalypse and man, I'd forgotten how genuinely awful that movie was. I was concerned that I had let my dislike of Kinberg color my memories of the film, but it was even worse than I had thought. Even the trailers were terrible. So even though the overall consensus for DP seems to be lukewarm, at least it doesn't seem to anywhere near the disaster that Apocalypse was.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure a decent but unremarkable movie will be enough to turn around this franchise's reputation, or light up the box office. I realize Fox is in a bit of a jam with the Disney merger, but I can't see any upside from a business perspective in releasing this movie when we all know the X-Men will be coming to the MCU sooner or later. At least X fans will get some closure, I guess?

 

[OroroGambitFan]

I just rewatched portions of Apocalypse and man, I'd forgotten how genuinely awful that movie was. I was concerned that I had let my dislike of Kinberg color my memories of the film, but it was even worse than I had thought. Even the trailers were terrible. So even though the overall consensus for DP seems to be lukewarm, at least it doesn't seem to anywhere near the disaster that Apocalypse was.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure a decent but unremarkable movie will be enough to turn around this franchise's reputation, or light up the box office. I realize Fox is in a bit of a jam with the Disney merger, but I can't see any upside from a business perspective in releasing this movie when we all know the X-Men will be coming to the MCU sooner or later. At least X fans will get some closure, I guess?

U gotta remember that although there are vocal contingent out there who aren't happy w/the franchise, they do have die hard fans that have enjoyed what Fox has done. And even though I'm not one of them I did appreciate what Bryan Singer's first X-men did for the comic movies as a whole. They played a crucial role in where we are at today, so i'm thankful for that. So for some, seeing them do their final movie will be a can't miss event. I'm not sure that will be enough people for this movie to do anything spectacular at the box office, but the fans that have vested so much deserve their ending. From a business standpoint I can't see them spending a lot on marketing, they know the interest is lukewarm at best at this point. I'm really surprised it's actually even coming out--- but for the fans who like what they've done I'm happy for them at least.

 

[fobi]

U gotta remember that although there are vocal contingent out there who aren't happy w/the franchise, they do have die hard fans that have enjoyed what Fox has done. And even though I'm not one of them I did appreciate what Bryan Singer's first X-men did for the comic movies as a whole. They played a crucial role in where we are at today, so i'm thankful for that. So for some, seeing them do their final movie will be a can't miss event. I'm not sure that will be enough people for this movie to do anything spectacular at the box office, but the fans that have vested so much deserve their ending. From a business standpoint I can't see them spending a lot on marketing, they know the interest is lukewarm at best at this point. I'm really surprised it's actually even coming out--- but for the fans who like what they've done I'm happy for them at least.

And at the end of the day it's the last Fox X-Men movie and it's release is not going to negatively affect anything MCU does with the franchise in the future. I'd say that if it does end up not being well received it will just make people that more excited for an MCU version.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Unpopular opinion but I thought Ragnarok was awful. Chris Hemsworth just doesn’t have the comedic chops to pull off that kind of humor like the guardians cast. The whole movie felt so cringey watching every character try to out-joke the next one. Every person can’t be comedic relief and that movie proved it. Especially watching it at home when you don’t have a theater crowd hyped up and laughing with you. It’s just awkward to watch for me. I hope the MCU Xmen never get THAT quippy.

I went to see it with my brother and he came out complaining it was trying to hard to he funny compared to the last 2 Thor movies. i told him it was trying to be guardians of the galaxy but he felt it failed in that respect.

I didn't mind it personally but i can understand why a film that is throwing gag after gag at you could be considered abit frustrating.

Personally though i am abit fatigued on the MCU movies. they have a formula that works but its one thats in all of their movies now and while i was hyped for the first avengers movie, i been getting less hyped by each phase. i was excited for first Antman for example and i thought it was an ok movie, but i didn't end up going to see Antman 2 and thats a rare thing for me as since 2006 i seen just about all the comic book movies that have been released under Fox,Sony,WB and Marvel.

Sometimes its nice to have different types of comicbook movies. yes Justice League wasn't a great movie but i was still more hyped for that film then i was Infinity War in the long run. thats not the cool side of the sheep pen, but its just how i see it.

 

[Alessia]

I also found this part:

Spoiler

Lmao quicksilver and magneto never meet. Quicksilver gets knocked out by jean really hard halfway through and is never seem again in the version I saw. Genosha is shown enough but it looks like a camp site from "the walking dead"

Yeah, we know the whole movie now. LOL

And it does not seem like the "revolutionary" movie they are selling. And the game changing plot twist it's what everybody is expecting. No surprise there, only relief.

Let's see if the reshoots change a lot of this or not.

Spoiler

Oh, wow, that's a letdown. So all this »He's my father. I might tell him one day.« storyline was practically building up for nothing. Well, I guess I should have seen it coming, but judging by ppl's reaction on tumblr and twitter a lot of them are going to be majorly disappointed lol. They really should have wrapped this storyline in XM:A instead of dragging it and never doing anything with it.

Ever since I found out about the reddit leak I had this annoying inkling it was accurate, although I would've loved to be proven wrong. But sadly it seems like the new trailer did nothing but confirm its legitimacy.

It’s a shame though. A few months ago my excitement for this movie was off the charts, but now that I basically know the entire plot it’s just…eh. Don't get me wrong, I’m still gonna watch it, I can never say no to X-Men, it’s just…the hype for this movie really died down for me.

Although, I wonder if they’ll use a different cut of the movie, instead of the one the reddit user saw, or if the reshoots changed and/or added/removed some things and tied up all loose ends due to Fox/Disney merger, because I do remember that the leaker said that the ending was really loose and open for a sequel.

 

[josh8]

The leaked plot gets a lot of details right, like:

-Describing the guy following Magneto
-Agent Smith meeting an ally in a church
-Genosha looking like a set from The Walking Dead
-Jean using the red coat, which does not appear in the trailer, but was confirmed by Sophie Turner.

And also one thing does not deny the other. The guy saying the movie was bad was his personal opinion. So the leaked spoilers being right doesn't mean some web-sites won't enjoy the trailer.

If you enjoy the trailer and is happy about, it's fine. You can't deny those leaked spoilers got a lot of things right 4 months ago.

I think it's pretty much accepted now that the leak was legit. But it doesn't concern me too much. It really is just his opinion; and watching a more dramatic movie with unfinished effects/music/editing really can be a buzzkill.

A few really promising things about the movie (for me at least) are the talent involved. The film is being edited by Lee Smith who did a bang up job on First Class and not to mention The Dark Knight (and basically all of Nolan's films). Mauro Fiore is the cinematographer (I'm so over Singer's team). I'm optimistic about Hans Zimmer doing the music as well!

 

[Elayis]

U gotta remember that although there are vocal contingent out there who aren't happy w/the franchise, they do have die hard fans that have enjoyed what Fox has done. And even though I'm not one of them I did appreciate what Bryan Singer's first X-men did for the comic movies as a whole. They played a crucial role in where we are at today, so i'm thankful for that. So for some, seeing them do their final movie will be a can't miss event. I'm not sure that will be enough people for this movie to do anything spectacular at the box office, but the fans that have vested so much deserve their ending. From a business standpoint I can't see them spending a lot on marketing, they know the interest is lukewarm at best at this point. I'm really surprised it's actually even coming out--- but for the fans who like what they've done I'm happy for them at least.

The first X-Men film was what got me hooked on superhero films and comic books in general. Those first two films are still in my top 10 superhero films ever. But for me the franchise has fallen very far from those stellar beginnings, and unlike most I did not enjoy DoFP.

So even though the X films were at one time very special to me, I feel no special affinity for Dark Phoenix. As of now I'm not even planning on seeing it in theaters, unless future trailers and reviews show a marked improvement in Kinberg's craft and treatment of the characters.

I think it's pretty much accepted now that the leak was legit. But it doesn't concern me too much. It really is just his opinion; and watching a more dramatic movie with unfinished effects/music/editing really can be a buzzkill.

A few really promising things about the movie (for me at least) are the talent involved. The film is being edited by Lee Smith who did a bang up job on First Class and not to mention The Dark Knight (and basically all of Nolan's films). Mauro Fiore is the cinematographer (I'm so over Singer's team). I'm optimistic about Hans Zimmer doing the music as well!

Even though I'm a fan of Smith's, his touch alone can't make a movie good. He worked on Ender's Game, and look how that film turned out.

 

[Lip]

I think it's pretty much accepted now that the leak was legit. But it doesn't concern me too much. It really is just his opinion; and watching a more dramatic movie with unfinished effects/music/editing really can be a buzzkill.

A few really promising things about the movie (for me at least) are the talent involved. The film is being edited by Lee Smith who did a bang up job on First Class and not to mention The Dark Knight (and basically all of Nolan's films). Mauro Fiore is the cinematographer (I'm so over Singer's team). I'm optimistic about Hans Zimmer doing the music as well!

Oh, absolutely. He makes it clear that the movie was unfinshed. And there is also the reshoots. And, as you said, there are huge talents involve, which will most definitely make a difference. Only by the trailer I can see that visually it'll probably be the best X-Men movie. Visually.

The thing is that I don't like the description of the plot.

Spoiler

Oh, wow, that's a letdown. So all this »He's my father. I might tell him one day.« storyline was practically building up for nothing. Well, I guess I should have seen it coming, but judging by ppl's reaction on tumblr and twitter a lot of them are going to be majorly disappointed lol. They really should have wrapped this storyline in XM:A instead of dragging it and never doing anything with it.

Ever since I found out about the reddit leak I had this annoying inkling it was accurate, although I would've loved to be proven wrong. But sadly it seems like the new trailer did nothing but confirm its legitimacy.

It’s a shame though. A few months ago my excitement for this movie was off the charts, but now that I basically know the entire plot it’s just…eh. Don't get me wrong, I’m still gonna watch it, I can never say no to X-Men, it’s just…the hype for this movie really died down for me.

Although, I wonder if they’ll use a different cut of the movie, instead of the one the reddit user saw, or if the reshoots changed and/or added/removed some things and tied up all loose ends due to Fox/Disney merger, because I do remember that the leaker said that the ending was really loose and open for a sequel.

It's not the first time they build up a storyline for nothing. Remember Raven saving Logan? Remember Sinister being teased? Remember the brotherhood being teased in FC and DoFP? Remember the "Mutant and Proud" thing?

And yes, I do believe there will be a different cut. The question is how different can it be, storywise?

 

[Lip]

I don't think anyone is denying the veracity of the leak, at least I'm not. I just seems that people were harping on the fact that this person thought it was terrible instead of forming your own opinion of a finished product. Of course anyone is free to believe that if they want but I'd rather judge for myself.

But people are expressing frustrations with the description of the plot, not the personal opinion of the guy. The trailer and the plot sells a movie we've seen several times, and some of just don't like it.

 

[fobi]

But people are expressing frustrations with the description of the plot, not the personal opinion of the guy. The trailer and the plot sells a movie we've seen several times, and some of just don't like it.

I agree about the trailer selling things we've seen before but disagree about the plot, I think the vast majority is different. But even so, at the end of the day it's inevitable that we're going to see similar plot points that we saw in X3 because as bad as it was, it did get some specific things of the Dark Phoenix story line correct (the confrontation at her home for example) which is one of the main things people seem to be groaning about being done again.

 

[GuestStar2004]

From what i read on the leaked stuff i see no real issue with what i read. i know most people seemed to go ohhh beast switched sides and seem to hate that but thats some really odd logic when it comes to these types of movies that you can do what you want and play with the characters how you want just like decades of the comics have.

Yeah maybe people would rather everyone sit in a circle and talk about how they love jean and their focus being all on loving jean. but thats not conflict.

Stuff like the quicksilver thing could be as simple as they had to wait for reshoots to get evan peters back. but lt really comes down to whether there really is a real issue or whether people are just getting something abit different to what they would have preferred.

 

[2kt09]

I'm guessing Phoenix & Chastain's CG character facing each other is the only major addition.

 

[Aximili86]

I just rewatched portions of Apocalypse and man, I'd forgotten how genuinely awful that movie was.

Gimme a break. Apocalypse is easily the worst of the Singer flicks, but that thing's still better-half of all the comic flicks that have been released, like ever. Flawed, but it's a pretty decent X-Men outing all the same.

As for the rest about Kinberg personally: again, he was involved in First Class & DoFP too. Focusing in on Apocalypse in a vacuum is foolish.

 

[josh8]

Oh, absolutely. He makes it clear that the movie was unfinshed. And there is also the reshoots. And, as you said, there are huge talents involve, which will most definitely make a difference. Only by the trailer I can see that visually it'll probably be the best X-Men movie. Visually.

The thing is that I don't like the description of the plot.

It's not the first time they build up a storyline for nothing. Remember Raven saving Logan? Remember Sinister being teased? Remember the brotherhood being teased in FC and DoFP? Remember the "Mutant and Proud" thing?

And yes, I do believe there will be a different cut. The question is how different can it be, storywise?

Yeah, that is super frustrating. But for me, any story elements that involve Raven should be dropped and discarded and burned with fire. If only she wasn't included in First Class, the franchise would be in so much better shape!

 

[GuestStar2004]

If only she wasn't included in First Class, the franchise would be in so much better shape!

Not much would have changed at all really.

 

[Micromind]

What are they looking at ? Venom ?

 

[Micromind]

Gimme a break. Apocalypse is easily the worst of the Singer flicks, but that thing's still better-half of all the comic flicks that have been released, like ever. Flawed, but it's a pretty decent X-Men outing all the same.

As for the rest about Kinberg personally: again, he was involved in First Class & DoFP too. Focusing in on Apocalypse in a vacuum is foolish.

It was OK. (I found it better than X-3, The Wolverine, X-men Origins :Wolverine)

 

[Elayis]

Gimme a break. Apocalypse is easily the worst of the Singer flicks, but that thing's still better-half of all the comic flicks that have been released, like ever. Flawed, but it's a pretty decent X-Men outing all the same.

As for the rest about Kinberg personally: again, he was involved in First Class & DoFP too. Focusing in on Apocalypse in a vacuum is foolish.

Apocalypse is legitimately one of the worst superhero films I've ever seen. As for Kinberg, I've never liked a single film he's had a hand in writing. Unlike most people I did not enjoy DoFP, and he was only a producer on First Class.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Aximili86]

Apocalypse is legitimately one of the worst superhero films I've ever seen. As for Kinberg, I've never liked a single film he's had a hand in writing. Unlike most people I did not enjoy DoFP, and he was only a producer on First Class.

*Shrugs* So you're in the minority then. Great.

And producers are pretty influential. He wasn't a Feige Grand Poobah MCU Overlord calling the shots, of course, but he was a Feige-on-the-Raimi-movies-and-early-Singer-movies situation on FC. Which ain't nothin'.

I'm not even so much backing Kinberg here, he's totally unproven. It's just a "wait and see, we've never seen one of his own movies" thing. Only reason to full-tilt hate this thing before we see it is if you absolutely can't stand the Singer-verse whatsoever (and those people exist, absolutely), but if you've enjoyed some of them it seems rational to hold off on just condemning the guy before the thing's in theaters.

50/50. Could suck under Simon, could be awesome, but making any calls on that yet is ridiculous.

 

[Elayis]

I just don't like his writing. I would be more willing to give this movie a shot if somebody else had handled the screenplay, but with Kinberg writing, producing and directing on a film this big as his first feature, as well as rehashing a storyline he's already butchered once before... good will has to be earned.