Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[xrs13]

Did you miss this part of the post (2nd sentence in a 2 sentence post)? "That goes for the other studios and filmmakers when they do it too." I was specifically thinking of Coulson when I said that. Is he a great character to you? These attitudes are the reason why so many fans aren't happy with the Fox coverage of their favourite characters after 18 years of films. They know how to nail the select few and don't really care about the other main characters, even the leaders of the team. That was probably why they thought it was ok to make Logan the male lead in the X3 Dark Phoenix story instead of Cyclops - 'it doesn't matter which character you use, as long as that character is good'. At least now Kinberg is trying to correct that as he's probably realised that it was important after all.

Sorry, rereading my post it comes off as snarky which wasn’t the intent. I was also actually replying to SumT because the statement about it being offensive to viewers is funny to me when artistic lisence is taken by every comic book writer under the sun. For instance how many times have Wanda and Pietro been and not been magnetos children.

The point I was hoping to make was that Marvel added a film character into comics and it didn’t get much flak (I’m not a fan of Coulson but I’m sure there are some otherwise he wouldn’t be in a comic) and if they had their hands on these movies they would do the same with Chastains villain if she’s good. I’m not doing a Fox vs Marvel thing as I like both.

I get not liking license being taken when there is a plethora of characters (lilandra/Emma/mastermind) to choose from but I’m more the type of person that thinks of a character is good they’re okay in my book, even if they’re an amalgam of those characters above.

If Chastains character turns out to be the best villain we’ve had in these films I’m not going to complain that she isn’t Emma frost or Lady mastermind.

 

[Iceman]

Sorry, rereading my post it comes off as snarky which wasn’t the intent. I was also actually replying to SumT because the statement about it being offensive to viewers is funny to me when artistic lisence is taken by every comic book writer under the sun. For instance how many times have Wanda and Pietro been and not been magnetos children.

The point I was hoping to make was that Marvel added a film character into comics and it didn’t get much flak (I’m not a fan of Coulson but I’m sure there are some otherwise he wouldn’t be in a comic) and if they had their hands on these movies they would do the same with Chastains villain if she’s good. I’m not doing a Fox vs Marvel thing as I like both.

I get not liking license being taken when there is a plethora of characters (lilandra/Emma/mastermind) to choose from but I’m more the type of person that thinks of a character is good they’re okay in my book, even if they’re an amalgam of those characters above.

If Chastains character turns out to be the best villain we’ve had in these films I’m not going to complain that she isn’t Emma frost or Lady mastermind.

All good, thanks for explaining.

That's closer to what I think then. I would prefer that specific characters were used, but an amalgam can work too, just less of a preference for me and a section of fans. What I really wouldn't like is a big character made up out of the blue (and this applies to all films based on any source material I care about - not just CBMs) when the main characters haven't first been covered. I wouldn't mind characters being made up after that point, especially within CBMS that have been going for decades, if those are as good as what's come before as they can then also be adopted into the comics lore if they are up to scratch.

 

[Matt.S99]

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Love this

Awesome!

This makes me wish Jessica Chastain was playing Emma. (Though really, I think she would make a perfect Jean)

 

[def28]

Been waiting for them to bring Emma back and it's frustrating after all these year they never did her justice. But at this point if they can manage to actually bring a well written character to the screen that's far better then the alternative.

 

[DACrowe]

On the Chastain thing, it is pretty obvious to me she is an amalgamation of Emma Frost, Lilandra, and that Wyngard character who I never really cared for anyway. I do wish they had just made her Lilandra, but I suppose because he was playing so fast and loose with these different narrative aspects, Kinberg felt emboldened to make her someone altogether original.

I am not entirely against it. I won't lie, it's disappointing we won't see the Shi'ar proper in this, but if she works--and I do think Chastain is a truly great actress and I can tell even from a few lines in the teaser that she'll slay with whatever Kinberg has given her--I will go with it. With that said, I think it is a mistake to have not come out and said back during the EW release of images that she is an entirely new character. Or "an amalgamation of several comic book characters." Yeah, you'd hear whining then, but it won't be as bad as the backlash when fans go in and realize that there isn't some dippy "It was me James, your brother Blofeld!" type reveal and she isn't Lilandra or Emma.

 

[JP]

On the Chastain thing, it is pretty obvious to me she is an amalgamation of Emma Frost, Lilandra, and that Wyngard character who I never really cared for anyway. I do wish they had just made her Lilandra, but I suppose because he was playing so fast and loose with these different narrative aspects, Kinberg felt emboldened to make her someone altogether original.

I am not entirely against it. I won't lie, it's disappointing we won't see the Shi'ar proper in this, but if she works--and I do think Chastain is a truly great actress and I can tell even from a few lines in the teaser that she'll slay with whatever Kinberg has given her--I will go with it. With that said, I think it is a mistake to have not come out and said back during the EW release of images that she is an entirely new character. Or "an amalgamation of several comic book characters." Yeah, you'd hear whining then, but it won't be as bad as the backlash when fans go in and realize that there isn't some dippy "It was me James, your brother Blofeld!" type reveal and she isn't Lilandra or Emma.

Exactly. I'm not personally against it. I mean, I think there are alternatives... They could have just made her Mastermind. Or Emma... or Lilandra. No one would have batted much of an eye. But it's the whole "We can't reveal who she is" approach is going to bite them in the ass.

 

[Lip]

At least they stopped with the "major game changing plot twist" thing. Because everybody would be disappointed when watching and realizing it was just

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Raven's death

 

[GuestStar2004]

Exactly. I'm not personally against it. I mean, I think there are alternatives... They could have just made her Mastermind. Or Emma... or Lilandra. No one would have batted much of an eye. But it's the whole "We can't reveal who she is" approach is going to bite them in the ass.

Well he hasn't actually made a mystery out of it. in that interview with collider he did straight up say the character was an amalgamation of characters who were involved in the phoenix story. so in a way he has kinda told the audience the basic idea of the character... its just a case of how easy that idea is to digest.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

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[Nerial]

The "alternative timeline" of the X-men post-DOFP, would fit in pretty well with the MCU. I think the MCU should play up more apprehension with "supers" that are just living their lives vs. The Avengers who glamorize what they are. This is one thing I LOVED about Jessica Jones; someone wanted to murder her just because she was a super in one of the first episodes. But her adopted sister thinks her superpowers are just amazing and idealizes her.

That's the thing that's awesome about the X-men; when done right, it shows that balance between the Moira-type of humans and the Stryker-type, and why Magneto is not 100% wrong and Xavier isn't 100% right.

And now. (spoiler warning from comic con footage)..apparently the president of the US has an X-phone in the White House. And Xavier is more than happy to potentially sacrifice his students, some of which grew up under his guardianship, to pull favor with humans. I mean...****--seriously?

 

[xrs13]

I wonder if they wanted a big action set piece so introduced aliens and then thought there would be too many characters ala last stand so rather than introduce Emma or mastermind . Brought the two together to achieve the goal

 

[Matt.S99]

Exactly. I'm not personally against it. I mean, I think there are alternatives... They could have just made her Mastermind. Or Emma... or Lilandra. No one would have batted much of an eye. But it's the whole "We can't reveal who she is" approach is going to bite them in the ass.

*Prays they reveal her to be JUST Emma*

That won’t happen, though.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[EnDz0n3]

“I’ve worked with different kinds of filmmakers, not just the X-men films, but they span from filmmakers that needed an immense amount of help and I sort of got to...”

“Ooo...Which ones...tell us everything!”

“Much of it is on record already so just google it. *laughs* But I sort of got to practice-direct on many feature movies.”

Come on Simon, don’t be modest. I think the term you’re looking for is “ghost-direct.”

 

[Nintendo]

Watched the whole interview and I am probably too excited at this point. Sophie and Tye both suggest Simon Kinberg is great to work with and hint that working with Bryan wasn't good. Also I just like Simon, I think he's smart and he gets what makes the X-Men special. Everything about this film sounds great to me, and I am bummed this will probably be the last X-Men film with these people involved. I have a feeling I am going to fall in love with this Cyclops and Jean with no chance of ever seeing them again, even if the film is amazing...it's a very weird place for a film like this to be in.

 

[Frankeh]

Come on Simon, don’t be modest. I think the term you’re looking for is “ghost-direct.”

So nice of him to help these directors that needed "an inmense amount of help".

 

[Alison Blaire]

Watched the whole interview and I am probably too excited at this point. Sophie and Tye both suggest Simon Kinberg is great to work with and hint that working with Bryan wasn't good. Also I just like Simon, I think he's smart and he gets what makes the X-Men special. Everything about this film sounds great to me, and I am bummed this will probably be the last X-Men film with these people involved. I have a feeling I am going to fall in love with this Cyclops and Jean with no chance of ever seeing them again, even if the film is amazing...it's a very weird place for a film like this to be in.

Working with bryan.They are a liars,especially Saint Kinberg

 

[Alison Blaire]

Bryan has not been convicted, no accusation has been proven. Stop double standards.

 

[icekid]

Yeah because he totally didn’t get fired from his last movie for pulling the same thing he did while filming Apocalypse. Fox clearly took note during Apocalypse and got fed up when they saw it spiral worse.

Also, it’s Hollywood and those are photos and videos which they of course know better than to act up when there’s a lense around.

 

[JP]

Brian didn't "reunite" with anyone lol. He posts old things on his instagram to stay relevant.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I hope none of you guys are suggesting that the friendship between the director and his cast is a sign of a great movie. Or alternatively, that the animosity between the director and his cast means the movie is doomed.

Mark Hamill and his The Empire Strikes Back director supposedly butted heads on how to tackle Luke Skywalker.

Bryan Singer butted heads with Tom Desanto, with most of the X2 cast siding with the Producer instead, where Halle Berry infamously told her director to "Kiss [her] black ass." This "troubled" 2002-2003 Vancouver production resulted in the best X-men movie ever.

Simon Kinberg is such good friends with Jennifer Lawrence that she agreed to come back to a franchise, that at one point in the past she has said she'd "rather do Guardians." Simon Kinberg is such good friends with Jessica Chastain that she's dipping her toes in comic book movies for the first time in her career. She's also called her friend a great writer. LOL Simon Kinberg is such a professional movie-maker that he saved the production $10Mil from the Principal Photography.

What did any of that friendship and professionalism yield? It resulted in two delays for the film: (1) 3 month delay and (2) 7 month delay. It resulted in longer than normal reshoots that necessitated more sf/x than they had anticipated.

(lol at the Bohemian Rhapsody pic).

 

[psyonic]

*Prays they reveal her to be JUST Emma*

That won’t happen, though.

Too late for Emma, Chastain is an alien, Cassandra Nova has a better shot

 

[EnDz0n3]

Cassandra Nova would get my vote too. It's very easy to just name-drop that on film via reshoots ala Dr. Doom from the original Domashev (probably not an example Kinberg fans would appreciate).

 

[psyonic]

Cassandra Nova would get my vote too. It's very easy to just name-drop that on film via reshoots ala Dr. Doom from the original Domashev (probably not an example Kinberg fans would appreciate).

Cassandra Nova would be perfect since Genosha is in this, what if she convinces/unleashes Jean to massacre it like in New X-Men (instead of controlling Sentinels to do it), it'll be mimicking how Jean destroyed a planet in the original Dark Phoenix saga.. we know

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Magneto is injured from photos and will need a reason for him to stand up against Jean, so this could be it

. I'm just speculating here.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

The leaked spoilers (that seem to have been pretty much confirmed at this point) said that Chastain is

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an unnamed alien that takes the form of a human she kills when she arrives on earth. Her whole goal is to manipulate Jean so she and her alien race can take over the world. Probably by killing all the world leaders at the UN meeting. Why does her hair change color, though, from the human she’s impersonating? It’s not a race-wide trait as her presumably-alien pals in the trailer have dark hair.

I don’t know, I thought that was strange. I was wondering how the reshoots could drastically change her character in the third act considering what they establish in the first or second act, but Kinberg said he had to do a few minor reshoots for the first two acts to set up the major stuff in the third. This makes me think (hope) he really is making significant changes to Chastain’s character. I kind of like the idea that she could end up being Nova (and it would make sense since the working title was ‘Supernova’) but I just don’t see it happening, especially after Kinberg recently confirmed she’s an

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alien

post-reshoots. I think the best shot we have at any significant change to her character is her being a shape-shifting Lilandra that commands a Skrull-like race of aliens to do her bidding. But, she may very well remain identical to her description in the Reddit leak.