Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Nadia]

what would everyone like to see in the next trailer or some TV spots? I'd like to get some type of look at the aliens and maybe a bit more on what Chastain's character wants. I guess Selene and Red Lotus in action as well.

I'd also like to see/hear some dialogue from Jean as Dark Phoenix. I wonder if they'll do anything with her voice, similar to what they did with OG Mystique's voice. I think it'll be cool if there was some kind of distortion to differentiate between Dark Phoenix and Jean.

Honestly, with the extra footage in the recent international trailer I'm satisfied and don't really need to see more.

Though I suppose. If she is a character I want a Chastain reveal and just shots of the aliens to make clear there is a sci-fy aspect to the film.
Also just a shot of Jean with the fire hair (something akin to the leaked Russian trailer)

Something I don't want to see more is the space mission. Given we know everything that happens in the scene, everything we've seen so far is a good enough tease.

Regarding Jeans voice I think they will likley put a distortion on it if they do decide to go full "I am fire and life!!!!!".
I also think there could be a possibilty they may allow Sophie to use her English accent if they want a true distinct Dark Pheonix peronsa.

 

[Nadia]

Right now my big questions are:
1. Who's Jessica Chastain?
2. How do the flashbacks to Jean's childhood play into the story?
3. What are Magneto's motivations for wanting to kill Jean. Is it purely because of what Jean does to Mystique, or does it have to do with something else? How does he go from accepting her on Genosha to wanting to kill her later on?
4. Who are the Mutant Containment Unit, and who do they answer to? So far we seem them on the train, and I think they're on the helicopter that Jean takes down.

I feel Magneto wanting to kill Jean will be a mixture of natural revenge and a feeling that she is simply to dangerous and has to be taken out for the everyone's safety (somehting the Xavier side clearly aren't willing to do).

Given Genosha is a mutant sanctuary I think he will accept Jean automatically. I doubt she will show up a be like "I killed Mystique can I stay". I think she will eventually confess then she will obliterate Genosha.

The question I have is how does the mutant task force get there. Will they simply be following Jean or will Magneto sell her out. I think it would be interesting if he sold her out which results in her destroying Genosha is response.

 

[carpenter82]

The question I have is how does the mutant task force get there. Will they simply be following Jean or will Magneto sell her out. I think it would be interesting if he sold her out which results in her destroying Genosha is response.

I can't see this Magneto ever selling out a Mutant to humans.

 

[ciscostudent561]

I can't see this Magneto ever selling out a Mutant to humans.

thats on some hail hydra cap stuff
yea no more footage for me im good for the next 3 months

 

[carpenter82]

I guess another thing I'm curious about is if the X-Men are celebrities how does one of them going out of control affect public perception? Will the public begin to fear mutants again? The MCU could play into that as well.

 

[ciscostudent561]

I guess another thing I'm curious about is if the X-Men are celebrities how does one of them going out of control affect public perception? Will the public begin to fear mutants again? The MCU could play into that as well.

dude i never got how they became celebrities. we musta skipped a movie.
the world building in apocalypse was terrible.
did they see who was battling? who was fighting for them? how do they know it wasnt some big mutant slugfest with global civilian casualities? if anything the X-men would be scapegoats with no trace of apocalypse or his world order

sigh

 

[fobi]

Honestly, with the extra footage in the recent international trailer I'm satisfied and don't really need to see more.

Yeah, I agree. But it's pretty much a given that we'll get one last trailer before the release so at the very least I'd like to see more of the aliens or some more insight about Chastain's whole angle.

 

[fobi]

Hopefully the distortion in her voice, if any, is done in post. The last thing I want to hear is Sophie trying to pull a Christian Bale. Even Bale, an Oscar-winning actor couldn't do it without it coming off funny most of the time . I have even less faith in Turner.

That's why I'm thinking along the lines of Mystique's voice. Maybe not so much of that echo she had but something similar, even just make her voice a little deeper. I definitely want to hear at least one line spoken as Dark Phoenix.

 

[Jh7058622]

],, , ,,,

Someone is eager to bring up the MCU and then tells posters like me to "stay on topic"...

Also, are we forgetting Mystique dumped her paraplegic stepbrother on the beach and was shown recruiting mutants with Magneto only for this to be dropped in the very next film... not to mention Magneto spent his time grooming Mystique to his own cause.

They changed their mind obviously. I don't know why that's hard to admit. Just like despite Moira coining the term X-Men at the end of First Class we are given no indication in DOFP that a team was ever formed, and in Apocalypse we are told Mystique came up with that term. Lol.

Using something to give context to how interpretations of characters work is different than taunting people trying to get a rise out of them with how much better one thing is over another.

I literally put in my post he changed his thinking over time. Who are you arguing with? Can't be me... reread my post.

 

[Jh7058622]

Storm was not 30 when she met Jean in 1975.

First in publishing history they retconned when they met anyway to when Jean was a teenager.

And I know. I've already said I was a bit off unlike some I can admit when I misspoke but my main point which you keep trying to dance around with these mental gymnastics is that she is more than half a decade Jean's senior in the comics and much more mature. But she's not a "mother figure" in any way.

Storm was at the youngest 29 to 30 in 1980 WHEN JEAN DIED. But you clearly said:
So you're admitting I'm right and she's not a mere 3 years older than her?

Are you going to tell us you didn’t say that?

Pot meet kettle....anyway time works different in comics I wouldn't say she knew her for five years before the DPS. Unless you think she's aged in real time since then making Storm in her 60s now? We can't really quantify with real life aging or time it doesn't work the same way in comics. It never has.

I quoted ages of the actresses suggesting they were 3 years apart, but I never said the characters are exactly 3 years apart in the comics. I said they are "around the same age in the comics." "Around" is not "exactly."
My only mistake was saying that Sophie is 24. Sophie is 23 today. Alex is 27 turning 28 in a few months. The actresses are 5 years apart. They're around 5 years apart in the comics. Perfect for Sophie and Alex to have a sisterly bond. She can be maternal too if Kinberg so chooses. Maternal doesn't mean matronly.

Going from 3 yrs to 6 is a big jump again Jean was born 1956 according to her tombstone and Ororo 1950 according to Chris Claremont making it not 3 not 5 but 6 years.

Also the ages of the actors don't necessarily mean they have to even play that age so that point is moot anyway. Jean could be playing older for all we know.

As far as a mother bond they never had that in the comics so why add it in unnecessarily in this film? You're just trying to find a way to complain about Mystique's adaptation in the series and it's very transparent.

Last time I checked you were for Storm and Jean to have a sisterly bond. Why are you fighting this?

You're using a strawman argument there. Yes, I want them to have a sisterly bond with each other not a mother daughter one though.

Are we talking about ages in comics?

Because X-editorial has made it clear that none of the X-men are over 30.

Including Beast who celebrated his 30th bday in the 90s lol.

What? That's very confusing yet it illustrates my point that we can at least quantify ages of characters relative to each other even if we can't get an accurate depiction in real time aging understanding.

This is why timelines in cbm series can be so wonky because the comics are microcosms of each era and that time.

 

[carpenter82]

dude i never got how they became celebrities. we musta skipped a movie.
the world building in apocalypse was terrible.
did they see who was battling? who was fighting for them? how do they know it wasnt some big mutant slugfest with global civilian casualities? if anything the X-men would be scapegoats with no trace of apocalypse or his world order

sigh

I think the implication is that the X-Men went on other missions in between Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix putting them in the public eye.
I don't think the world knows that they stopped Apocalypse. However, I think there's a line in there about them knowing Magneto was involved in taking Apocalypse down.

 

[ciscostudent561]

I think the implication is that the X-Men went on other missions in between Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix putting them in the public eye.
I don't think the world knows that they stopped Apocalypse. However, I think there's a line in there about them knowing Magneto was involved in taking Apocalypse down.

so lets say Bin Laden took down some disturbance 99% of the world doesn't know about.
you think he's forgiven?..nahhh
if they become celebrities because they save that US space team that make sense...

 

[Mutant 77]

I'm sure they have been retroactively "aknowledged" by public as the ones who defeated Apocalypse along with Magneto.

Said that, TV at the end of "Apocalypse" mentioned Magneto.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well there is obviously a time jump so they go on to do alot of good as the X-Men and become known.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Sophie Turner, Nicholas Hoult, Tye Sheridan, Alexandra Shipp, and Evan Peters will be at wonder-con this year.

 

[ciscostudent561]

Well there is obviously a time jump so they go on to do alot of good as the X-Men and become known.

which is bad..
i would hate to miss out on the narrative of how they made Xaviers dream come true
thats the whole point of the X-men, that the public would judge them based on their charracter not their genes

 

[psylockolussus]

what would everyone like to see in the next trailer or some TV spots?

Selene, Red Lotus and Dazzler.

 

[Mutant 77]

which is bad..
i would hate to miss out on the narrative of how they made Xaviers dream come true
thats the whole point of the X-men, that the public would judge them based on their charracter not their genes

Well, you never see Xavier's dream fully realized and accomplished in the comics as well. Otherwise, the X-Men would have no reason to exist in the very first place.

 

[ciscostudent561]

Well, you never see Xavier's dream fully realized and accomplished in the comics as well. Otherwise, the X-Men would have no reason to exist in the very first place.

not fully realized -- you'll never get over prejudice. but yes at times in the comics the public does percieve X-men as the "good mutants"

 

[Mutant 77]

not fully realized -- you'll never get over prejudice. but yes at times in the comics the public does percieve X-men as the "good mutants"

Truth is, X-Men would need a TV series, not a movie franchise. There are way too many themes, events and aspects in the X-Men universe; movies are not enough to cover that.
Think about it, people were expecting hours of film focused on Apocalypse's origins LOL.

 

[psylockolussus]

No they weren't.

 

[GuestStar2004]

which is bad..
i would hate to miss out on the narrative of how they made Xaviers dream come true
thats the whole point of the X-men, that the public would judge them based on their charracter not their genes

But the opening to dark phoenix is showing you the type of good they are doing.

It's fair to say that the growth of them becoming well known could come from thing as simple as saving a falling plane out of the sky, saving people in a fire that fire fighters can't get too. And so on and on. It's more of a built up fame rather then a single event that would be worth making a movie around.

Even with something like the avengers where yeah they saved the world from aliens, but you think that instantly made them recognised to the public? Presumably there was more stuff off screen that gave them that acknowledgment. And by the time age of ultron began they were recognised.

 

[ciscostudent561]

Truth is, X-Men would need a TV series, not a movie franchise. There are way too many themes, events and aspects in the X-Men universe; movies are not enough to cover that.
Think about it, people were expecting hours of film focused on Apocalypse's origins LOL.

While i would like an X-men Tv show, from a visual fx perspective I prefer the theater. A GOT like quality in terms of investment would be huge undertaking and gigantic risk. I don't know if I prefer it also because a movie I can watch in 2 hours, a tv series can be at least 10 hours.

But the opening to dark phoenix is showing you the type of good they are doing.

yeah i said earlier that if that is happening im cool with that. Im just saying i would hate to miss the narrative of that watching the public begin to trust the X-men or not treat them like total bigots due to their character. If thats happening in DP, cool

 

[Mutant 77]

But the opening to dark phoenix is showing you the type of good they are doing.

It's fair to say that the growth of them becoming well known could come from thing as simple as saving a falling plane out of the sky, saving people in a fire that fire fighters can't get too. And so on and on. It's more of a built up fame rather then a single event that would be worth making a movie around.

Even with something like the avengers where yeah they saved the world from aliens, but you think that instantly made them recognised to the public? Presumably there was more stuff off screen that gave them that acknowledgment. And by the time age of ultron began they were recognised.

Very intelligent insight.

 

[EnDz0n3]

@Jh7058622 I hate to repeat myself but there’s a 5 year gap between the two actresses (I got the info wrong when I said 3, one is 23, not 24 and the other is 27 but turning 28 the same year), and there’s a 5 (you say 6) year gap between the characters. In the film verse , Storm—an orphan street urchin pick pocket—has been taking care of orphans in Egypt her whole life. Jean, an extremely guarded, loner-type who seemingly is in need of guidance, is also written to be an orphan. They’re practically made for each other.

You *also* want them to have a bond. You’ve said as much. What’s the problem?