Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[BMM]

Am I crazy? This looks exactly like Alcatraz/X3. Murky dark background. Things on fire in the distance. Red jacket. Weird facial effect instead of a firebird.

No, I think that’s fair.

 

[icekid]

Well she’s not really doing anything in that picture aside from landing after flying so I don’t know what other facial expression she would be making or why she’d be a firebird..


I do think that the facial cracks do come off a little too much like veins..:

 

[EnDz0n3]

Am I crazy? This looks exactly like Alcatraz/X3. Murky dark background. Things on fire in the distance. Red jacket. Weird facial effect instead of a firebird.

That is of course the narrative:

“You’re just imagining things! They’re not the same! Famke is wearing a dress! Sophie is wearing a coat! Famke’s has a corset and is paired up with pants! Sophie’s has a leather belt and casual jeans! Famke’s is red! Sophie’s is maroon/black/mauve! New York is not even on the same ocean with Alcatraz! Only Famke’s veins were popping and they were black! Sophie’s are actual cracks and are on fire! You hated this movie from the word Go! You were always bound to hate it!”

*These are actual things that actual members have said here.

 

[DACrowe]

I will just point out to all the gleeful nitpicking--without seeing the movie--from what I gather the Phoenix Force (or whatever you want to call it) possesses Jean instead of killing her because she already has all that power from Apocalypse. It combines with the power that is already there and makes her godlike.

At least in concept. We'll see about execution.

 

[lastairbender]

Unfortunately you are right
many people have already decided that this movie is bad since last year and this franchise has become the worst thing that ever existed, does not really have wonderful trailer or anything else that changes the thinking of these people, any good comment is a lie, any good image is below expected and could be better, good effects are always bad, EVERYTHING is bad, awful, ugly and bad because the MCU will touch them in the future.

Completely agree with you!! Is what i feel everyday i came here! Like is forbidden to speak against marvel movies like they were perfect and perfect adaptations! But DP ok. It is socially correct to speak bad about it! Something, anything!

 

[EnDz0n3]

Completely agree with you!! Is what i feel everyday i came here! Like is forbidden to speak against marvel movies like they were perfect and perfect adaptations! But DP ok. It is socially correct to speak bad about it! Something, anything!

Why would you even talk about the "Marvel"/MCU movies here? That's not what this forum is for.

I will just point out to all the gleeful nitpicking--without seeing the movie--from what I gather the Phoenix Force (or whatever you want to call it) possesses Jean instead of killing her because she already has all that power from Apocalypse.

So what could she do as Dark Phoenix now that she couldn’t do with just her fire-coloured Jean Grey firebird from 1983 that Xavier got her to "release?" I mean she straight-up eviscerated Apocalypse last time.

It combines with the power that is already there and makes her godlike.

At least in concept. We'll see about execution.

Ungodlike/regular mutant Jean Grey defeated Apocalypse. Dude must be some schmuck. His "all is revealed" last time...what does that even mean now?

 

[psylockolussus]

New pic

Her forehead....

 

[SpiderSense]

Why would you even talk about the "Marvel"/MCU movies here? That's not what this forum is for.

So what could she do as Dark Phoenix now that she couldn’t do with just her fire-coloured Jean Grey firebird from 1983 that Xavier got her to "release?" I mean she straight-up eviscerated Apocalypse last time.

Ungodlike/regular mutant Jean Grey defeated Apocalypse. Dude must be some schmuck. His "all is revealed" last time...what does that even mean now?

I feel Kinberg won’t address any of this. The guy literally lies through his teeth. I try so hard to be positive about this film but he makes it so hard to be a fan. Take out the fandom of x men and even a regular franchise doesn’t have as much inconsistency. Everything that comes out his mouth is buzz words!

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Thats a big sudden jump to take with no hints of alien outer space features in previous Xmen movies.

Dark phoenix chapter was fine being chosen to be the main story for this movie, just needed to slowly but firmly introduce alien concepts. I think they should have basically followed Man Of Steels story structure. First 15 minutes opening sequence is set on a ShiAr home planet as the phoenix force is destroying it and the ShiAr with Lilanadra are fighting against it - similar to Krypton, displaying wacky creatures, costumes and alien architecturel design. Phoenix force eats a star, kills lot of ShiAr and runs away towards earth looking for a new host, with Lilandra following. Then basically the story picks up where Kinberg starts, with the space mission. Rest of the story happens on earth, fast forward to the end where the ShiAr arrive to destroy the phoenix as revenge, and fight the Xmen in a big city like Metropolis in MoS.

Is it really a big jump at this point? This movie is already starting the X-Men off in an outer space mission (where she gets on the PF's radar). The comics took a similar path, where Jean gets the PF and the Shi'Ar take notice and the X-Men get put in the middle of a civil war over the Empire and Jean winds up having to use the PF to save all of reality while also saving Lilanadra. That story lays all the ground work for how the Dark Phoenix Saga happens in the comics, and was the first really big "X-Men in space" story.

It could've easily played out similar in these movies. You build the X-Men getting involved in this conflict over the course of the movie and make them a fish out of water. You take the time to get us more invested in Jean and Scott while doing something new with X-Men in a Fox movie (instead of just rehashing the same conflicts over and over), and set up Dark Phoenix for the next movie.

Oh hey, here's an idea... what if they had decided to make this a two parter? Filmed them back to back, like they were originally rumored to do? It could've been marketed as the grand finale to the First Class Saga and brought that series full circle. Instead we are getting a rehash of X3.

If people are expecting the MCU to give us a Dark Phoenix story right off back then you’re going to be waiting 10 years at best because their are other stories for them to adapt.

You say that like its a bad thing. The Phoenix Saga requires a long build and character investment in order to be done justice. I would love Marvel to make this story as big for cinematic X-Men as Infinity War/Endgame has been big for the cinematic Avengers.

It's what I thought they'd do after Apocalypse. Crazy galactic civil war with Jean having the Phoenix force. Save her going "dark" for the sequel. Well, now as it turns out we'd have never gotten that movie, but I'm not sure Kinberg ever knew how to even attempt Phoenix.

I guess they got cold feet after Apocalypse?

 

[Frankeh]

At this point who cares? If people really have in mind that this series is terrible and was never good in the first place then there's really no point in trying to change their mind on the subject. No trailer, or clip is going to change that mindset. Everybody needs a hobby so I'm glad the Dark Phoenix haters have discovered their calling in life.

Not true at all, everyone changed their mind with DOFP's second and third trailers because they were great.

To say Dark Phoenix can't win people over is just an excuse to defend the footage.

The great movies of the past can't make this movie look better. It has to do that on its own. And for me, it's failing at that.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[EnDz0n3]

He probably invested more then Singer did. but then if we wanted to be picky maybe we should just say Mathew Vaughn should get full credit because of it technically was his story and most of his own vision.

I suppose you also believe Kinberg worked on X2.

 

[carpenter82]

I feel Kinberg won’t address any of this. The guy literally lies through his teeth. I try so hard to be positive about this film but he makes it so hard to be a fan. Take out the fandom of x men and even a regular franchise doesn’t have as much inconsistency. Everything that comes out his mouth is buzz words!

As someone whose seen extended clips from this film I think he has stayed true to his word regarding this film.

 

[carpenter82]

Unfortunately you are right
many people have already decided that this movie is bad since last year and this franchise has become the worst thing that ever existed, does not really have wonderful trailer or anything else that changes the thinking of these people, any good comment is a lie, any good image is below expected and could be better, good effects are always bad, EVERYTHING is bad, awful, ugly and bad because the MCU will touch them in the future.

Yeah, after dealing with that mentality for over a year now I'm just indifferent towards it. I just love that the MCU isn't held to the same standards. It's so hypocritical.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I suppose you also believe Kinberg worked on X2.

I'm sure Singer was director by name credit only. thats how it works it apparently

Although i dunno where or why even X2 came into this discussion.

 

[Joey9775]

Uhm what?

 

[Alison Blaire]

I'm sure he was director by name credit only. thats how it works it apparently.

Although i dunno where or why X2 came into this discussion.

Are you talking about Xmen Apocalypse?

 

[EnDz0n3]

I'm sure Singer was director by name credit only. thats how it works it apparently

Oh the irony. You're the one who said Kinberg, the movie's writer, had more to do with DOFP's success than Singer, the movie's director. Oops.

Although i dunno where or why even X2 came into this discussion.

Your post (that DOFP is much more Kinberg's movie than Singer's) fits with the other lies that Kinberg was involved in X2. Another lie a few people on the boards bought into.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Ha... ha. HAHAHA.

Anthony knows better.

 

[X-Maniac]

This was asked by Grace Randolph (who was actually quite positive at times) but it's bugging me too: Why does Nightcrawler wear a space helmet duct-taped to his X-Men costume and yet Jean doesn't have a helmet?

Also, why does Jean get left behind on the shuttle? Was it Kurt's mistake? Or what?

 

[EnDz0n3]

Ha... ha. HAHAHA.

Anthony knows better.

He's probably just enjoying the ride. He's only one of the few original posters on SHH from the X2 days that still supports this franchise. Makes me wonder what the other ppl (TNC, Pejo, etc) think of the movies. It can't be fun seeing how far down the crapper this set of films has gotten. I didn't visit the F4 subsection of the boards but I'm sure he was one of the ardent defenders of those movies too.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Oh the irony. You're the one who said Kinberg, the movie's writer, had more to do with DOFP's success than Singer, the movie's director. Oops.

Yes and my post was sarcasm based on the logic on this board sometimes. sorry if you missed that.

Your post (that DOFP is much more Kinberg's movie than Singer's) fits with the other lies that Kinberg was involved in X2. Another lie a few people on the boards bought into.

The difference is Kinberg was the writer who was working with Mathew Vaughn on the script. then when Vaughn left Singer came onboard, but that changes nothing really.

It doesn't matter whether he had anything to do with X2 because he wasn't credited as writer so it matters very little.

 

[GuestStar2004]

This was asked by Grace Randolph (who was actually quite positive at times) but it's bugging me too: Why does Nightcrawler wear a space helmet duct-taped to his X-Men costume and yet Jean doesn't have a helmet?

Also, why does Jean get left behind on the shuttle? Was it Kurt's mistake? Or what?

Presumably this stuff would be a spoiler.

Nightcrawler may be paranoid about being in space. and jean may have sent him back to save him and be blocking him coming back for her.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Why would it be a spoiler? Both were in the trailer.

Yes and my post was sarcasm based on the logic on this board sometimes. sorry if you missed that.

Yes your second post with the emoji was sarcasm. That part was obvious. Sorry if you missed that.

Your first post where you said Kinberg had more to do with DOFP's success than its director, was not sarcasm. And that's the sad (and deceitful) part.

The difference is Kinberg was the writer who was working with Mathew Vaughn on the script. then when Vaughn left Singer came onboard, but that changes nothing really.

If it changes nothing, why sell us on the lie that Kinberg should be credited more for DOFP? Your narratives are not lining up.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Why would it be a spoiler? Both were in the trailer.

Because you need to see the film to understand why stuff happened in the trailer. basic logic really.

Your first post where you said Kinberg had more to do with DOFP's success than its director, was not sarcasm. And that's the sad (and deceitful) part.

The point is Kinberg was in the project since the beginning. Vaughn was working with him first and then Singer after.

The most silliest thing to say would be that Kinberg had no part of it and that it was all Vaughn and Singer because that is fairly dumb