Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Hand Banana]

I’ve noticed that the Dark Phoenix trailers on YouTube have had a significant increase in views and comments no doubt due to the previews at Endgame showing. I’ve been seeing a lot of comments like this lately.

 

[Hand Banana]

when your list only includes one x-woman...... yeah, no explanation needed.

NTW is on the X-Men team.

 

[X-Maniac]

I’ve noticed that the Dark Phoenix trailers on YouTube have had a significant increase in views and comments no doubt due to the previews at Endgame showing. I’ve been seeing a lot of comments like this lately.

Looks like a phoney attempt to associate X-Men with the monster success of Avengers: Endgame just by creating a conversation.

We all know that only Ryan's Deadpool survived the 'Disney snap' (lol)...

Can't wait for the MCU's eventual TOTAL reboot of X-Men.

The remaining character roster at the end of Endgame, plus the fact Captain Marvel seems to be an interstellar character who is hardly ever on Earth, leaves plenty of room for some new faces to start showing up.

 

[X-Maniac]

NTW is on the X-Men team.

She's not a main/classic member of X-Men in the comics.

Storm, Kitty, Psylocke, Polaris, Rogue, Emma Frost, Jubilee all say hello.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Lucky for creative license.

 

[icekid]

Yeah she’s kind of the most obscure student in the comics.

Side note, looks like New Mutants is getting those reshoots after all as Disney shuffles it to April 2020 though it will still be release under the Fox banner which will continue to exist.

 

[Marvel united]

And that's a wrap

 

[GuestStar2004]

Yeah she’s kind of the most obscure student in the comics.

Well Deadpool has probably changed the character now to the point where this is an alternative incarnation you may see in the newer comics.

But then the comics are also always evolving.

 

[X-Maniac]

Dominio, NTW, Jean, Mystique, Moira and Laura in the last three movies don't count, I guess? Plus, characters from Legion and The Gifted as well. Jean is the main character of this movie and the main antagonist is a woman as well. New Mutants is a mostly female team as well, even if the movie doesn't end up happening. I would be the last person on earth to say the franchise doesn't have problems, like the way they treated Storm, but that's a bit much.

The franchise has/had terrible problems with character building, team building and world building.

There was more of a fixation on killing characters off:

Cyclops, Jean, Xavier, Psylocke, Arclight, etc in X3;

Darwin, Shaw, in First Class

Emma, Banshee, Azazel, female Angel, etc in DoFP (plus Storm and Bishop first to die in the future)

Xavier, Wolverine, most of the X-Men in Logan

Angel, Apocalypse, in X-Men: Apocalypse

It all seems focused very cynically on destruction, rather than the MCU's emphasis on construction (of a franchise, world, etc).

I do wonder what the bigwigs at Fox think of Endgame's success and whether they think they did anything wrong in treatment of the X-Men, because it's clear they did...

 

[GuestStar2004]

Fox were making movies first and foremost. it was not about copying marvel. DC tried that, failed and are actually doing better when they ain't trying to make a universe. in the long run there is no right way to do it.

I even remember when The Wolverine was originally being described as a stand-alone movie. very much detached from the other films but still starring Hugh Jackman. and then the original director left because he didn't wanna be away from his family and Mangold came on and changed it to make it within continuity.

 

[Mad Ones]

Yeah, X3 was the ultimate example of world destruction. Not that it was a Disaster Flick, but like you said, it's the narrative antithesis of world building. I think it's plagued the series since X3.

 

[psylockolussus]

Killing off the X-Men offscreen in Logan was just reallyoff putting. And its the final days of Logan and Xavier and they are spending it with Darwin and X-23.... Dofp's future happy ending completely wasted. If you are really invested in every film in the series, Logan really sends a sad ending to the mutants. What is even the point of seeing the X-Men in Dark Phoenix when most of them were killed by Xavier off screen in the future period.

 

[GuestStar2004]

X3 likely did nothing that wasn't already on the cards before writing the movie tbh.

 

[Mad Ones]

X3 likely did nothing that wasn't already on the cards before writing the movie tbh.

I don't think this is true but it signals a crap tonne of problems with the foundations of the world if it was.

 

[icekid]

Killing off the X-Men offscreen in Logan was just reallyoff putting. And its the final days of Logan and Xavier and they are spending it with Darwin and X-23.... Dofp's future happy ending completely wasted. If you are really invested in every film in the series, Logan really sends a sad ending to the mutants.

I mean they mentioned a number didn’t they? 6 or something and then it said including several members of the X-Men, so I took that as some were memebers and some weren’t, so what if like only 3 members were killed and they actually weren’t the core team we know as they would have probably retired from combat. Maybe newer members died or former students turned full fledged team members like Bobby/Rogue & co.

 

[X-Maniac]

Fox were making movies first and foremost. it was not about copying marvel. DC tried that, failed and are actually doing better when they ain't trying to make a universe. in the long run there is no right way to do it.

Yes there is. Check out Avengers: Endgame and its box office of $2 billion in two weekends.

That's how to get people invested in the characters and the world you've created so they go running to see a film.

Endgame is the only film I've ever seen where there was a round of applause at the end, and where the appearance of some characters (Black Panther, Shuri etc) got a huge cheer. UK audiences are never like that usually, they're much more reserved.

You need to get with the program. You sound as dated as Fox's X-Men.

 

[psylockolussus]

Dominio, NTW, Jean, Mystique, Moira and Laura in the last three movies don't count, I guess? Plus, characters from Legion and The Gifted as well. Jean is the main character of this movie and the main antagonist is a woman as well. New Mutants is a mostly female team as well, even if the movie doesn't end up happening. I would be the last person on earth to say the franchise doesn't have problems, like the way they treated Storm, but that's a bit much.

Domino looks nothing like the Domino in the comics, it seemed like they care about hiring Zazie Beets than honoring what Domino looks like in the comics.

NTw is a major retooling of a character and remind me again why out of a the female mutants that could be a student, they went with someone so random. The writers picked her justso Deadpool can make fun of her codename.

Moira had a bad role in Apocalypse and once again, suddenly out of the picture.

Mystique no longer is the Mystique from the comics.

New Mutants would be lucky to hit theaters.

And Jean... she should have been more developed a long time ago.

 

[X-Maniac]

I mean they mentioned a number didn’t they? 6 or something and then it said including several members of the X-Men, so I took that as some were memebers and some weren’t, so what if like only 3 members were killed and they actually weren’t the core team we know as they would have probably retired from combat. Maybe newer members died or former students turned full fledged team members like Bobby/Rogue & co.

Maybe this.. maybe that... it's all speculation.

The film was clearly meant to be the end of everything, except for X-23 and her little friends trotting off into the distance.

The focus of this franchise has been on death and endings.

 

[psylockolussus]

And that's a wrap

I was waiting when would those dates start to vanish.

 

[GuestStar2004]

You need to get with the program. You sound as dated as Fox's X-Men.

Just think Aquaman made a billion. he last appeared in Justice league which apparently less people see then Aquaman because it didn't make that same money or even close to what BVS made.

Its a case of thinking outside of the box. Dated is a term of an assumption that life works in simplistic ways. and if you think like that then you will forever be surprised by results assuming everything only works one way.

 

[Zarex]

Yes there is. Check out Avengers: Endgame and its box office of $2 billion in two weekends.

That's how to get people invested in the characters and the world you've created so they go running to see a film.

Endgame is the only film I've ever seen where there was a round of applause at the end, and where the appearance of some characters (Black Panther, Shuri etc) got a huge cheer. UK audiences are never like that usually, they're much more reserved.

You need to get with the program. You sound as dated as Fox's X-Men.

I saw videos on line with audiences freaking out after

Spoiler

Rescue lifts her mask.

I'd love to see the X-Men franchise get to the point in which there can be dozens of popular characters poised to take on the baddies.

 

[psylockolussus]

I mean they mentioned a number didn’t they? 6 or something and then it said including several members of the X-Men, so I took that as some were memebers and some weren’t, so what if like only 3 members were killed and they actually weren’t the core team we know as they would have probably retired from combat. Maybe newer members died or former students turned full fledged team members like Bobby/Rogue & co.

Maybe or maybe not. They didn't appear in Logan. I'm not gonna assume something else when they haven't given a hint that some major X-Men survived. Also making movies set in the past wouldn't revive those characters unless they retcon another thing but of course they don't have a chance to make more films now.

 

[X-Maniac]

Just think Aquaman made a billion. he last appeared in Justice league which apparently less people see then Aquaman because it didn't make that same money or even close to what BVS made.

Its a case of thinking outside of the box. Dated is a term of an assumption that life works in simplistic ways. and if you think like that then you will forever be surprised by results assuming everything only works one way.

No, dated means you are clinging to old ways, not evolving.

The X-Men franchise hasn't really evolved, which is quite ironic for a franchise about human evolution. And now it's being left in the dust. The MCU reboot is the best thing that could have happened at this point. Otherwise, after DP we would have simply had a Kitty Pryde movie and a Multiple Man movie to look forward to. Those shouldn't be a main course, they are side dishes once you get the main event sorted.

No one really cared about Justice League, another case of bad world-building. They can only manage occasional successes with the DC stuff, notably Wonder Woman and Aquaman. And of course Aquaman benefited from a December release date that had no competition, from being released in 3D that made its colourful OTT spectacle even more fun for families and from a novelty factor.

 

[Hand Banana]

Looks like a phoney attempt to associate X-Men with the monster success of Avengers: Endgame just by creating a conversation.

We all know that only Ryan's Deadpool survived the 'Disney snap' (lol)...

You’re assuming everyone fellows movie news? You really thinks kids know about this stuff? Plus these are just random tweets.

And Ryan’s Deadpool is getting rebooted eventually. Don’t why you think otherwise. Especially, after Endgame called Deadpool 2’s plot BS and Kevin Feige saying he is in another universe.

She's not a main/classic member of X-Men in the comics.

Storm, Kitty, Psylocke, Polaris, Rogue, Emma Frost, Jubilee all say hello.

You’re moving goal post.

 

[X-Maniac]

You’re assuming everyone fellows movie news? You really thinks kids know about this stuff? Plus thus are random tweets.

And Ryan’s Deadpool is getting rebooted eventually. Don’t why you think otherwise. Especially, after Endgame and Kevin Feige saying he is in another universe.

In that case, it may be an unfortunate and confusing side-effect of Dark Phoenix still being released after the Disney takeover.

Because, clearly, there were no X-Men or Fantastic Four owned by Disney at the time Endgame was being written and filmed.

As for Deadpool, I don't care if he's rebooted or not. It's the main X-Men I'm interested in.

You’re moving goal post.

NTW is not a main X-Men member, either in the books or on screen. She was added to Deadpool because she had a silly codename he could make fun of. It's an instance where the decision was successful because the casting, costume, totally redefined powers and general emo attitude worked.

Are you honestly trying to cling to NTW as an example of a strong female lead in the X-Men franchise, while Storm, Emma, Jubilee, Rogue, Kitty and Psylocke have mostly been totally screwed over? It's not a good example. Next you'll be pointing at Mystique as something to be admired.