Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[JP]

LOL. Moira. You once again remind me of the constant problem with this series. Why did they reintroduce Moira and have that entire subplot with Charles only for her to be inexplicably absent from this movie? Just like how they started the Quicksilver/Magneto storyline and I'm positive it was dropped for this.

 

[EnDz0n3]

The problem with Beast (and Mystique) blaming Charles for pushing the kids to dangerous missions is that Beast and Mystique were essentially the ones who wanted an X-men team. Xavier was happy in his own little utopian world of the 80s, thinking the world has finally accepted him and his kind. It was Beast who begged Mystique that “The world needs the X-men.” Why is Xavier always wrong and why is Mystique always right? Just so Xavier can have something Kinberg can call an “arc?”

And yes the notion of bringing back Byrne for Moira, and rekindling her relationship with Charles, is kind of ridiculous. That already happened in Apocalypse. What? Are these characters going to constantly wait decades in order to meet up again? They should end these FC films with the characters saying: “See you in ten years!”

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

It was just an idea since ppl here are so anti Jlaw and this version of Mystique and if she didn’t come back then Scott would have been team leader like so many our complaining about. Also FC story isn’t just the beginning of Charles, Eric & Raven it’s Hank’s as well Moira’s IMO. But once again just wishful thinking on my part.

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

The problem with Beast (and Mystique) blaming Charles for pushing the kids to dangerous missions is that Beast and Mystique were essentially the ones who wanted an X-men team. Xavier was happy in his own little utopian world of the 80s, thinking the world has finally accepted him and his kind. It was Beast who begged Mystique that “The world needs the X-men.” Why is Xavier always wrong and why is Mystique always right? Just so Xavier can have something Kinberg can call an “arc?”

And yes the notion of bringing back Byrne for Moira, and rekindling her relationship with Charles, is kind of ridiculous. That already happened in Apocalypse. What? Are these characters going to constantly wait decades in order to meet up again? They should end these FC films with the characters saying: “See you in ten years!”

And that 80s happy utopia is contradicts the history of the X-Men franchise and everything set up in DOFP. Logan told him to find these mutants, remember three specific names and form the team. So why in the *bleep* did the writers forget about their own set up in the previous film?

 

[SumT]

The problem with Beast (and Mystique) blaming Charles for pushing the kids to dangerous missions is that Beast and Mystique were essentially the ones who wanted an X-men team. Xavier was happy in his own little utopian world of the 80s, thinking the world has finally accepted him and his kind. It was Beast who begged Mystique that “The world needs the X-men.” Why is Xavier always wrong and why is Mystique always right? Just so Xavier can have something Kinberg can call an “arc?”

And yes the notion of bringing back Byrne for Moira, and rekindling her relationship with Charles, is kind of ridiculous. That already happened in Apocalypse. What? Are these characters going to constantly wait decades in order to meet up again? They should end these FC films with the characters saying: “See you in ten years!”

everything about these period jumps is just stupid at this point, and yeah, thats the reason Charles gets to be blamed movie after movie. Kinbergs just needs to give Mcavoy something interesting to do, even if everything is played out at this point, and even if half the x-men get sidelined in the process. Who cares about the X-Men after all?? lol. None worldwide. The audience just goes to see Mcavoy and fassbender having their "new" arc of the decade.

 

[Justice4#Rouge]

New IMAX poster:

 

[JimThompson]

New IMAX poster: View attachment 25142

Nice!

 

[Zarex]

everything about these period jumps is just stupid at this point, and yeah, thats the reason Charles gets to be blamed movie after movie. Kinbergs just needs to give Mcavoy something interesting to do, even if everything is played out at this point, and even if half the x-men get sidelined in the process. Who cares about the X-Men after all?? lol. None worldwide. The audience just goes to see Mcavoy and fassbender having their "new" arc of the decade.

The decade long time jumps are just awful and suck any momentum generated from the prior installment. And the race to get to the 90s and the OT team was unnecessary given that multiple characters have already popped up out of continuity with the original series.

I also didn't care for the 5 year jump in Endgame. The only reason for it was to age up Tony's kid. Other than that a one year jump would have worked much better.

 

[EnDz0n3]

It was just an idea since ppl here are so anti Jlaw and this version of Mystique and if she didn’t come back then Scott would have been team leader like so many our complaining about.

I have no problem with saying Mystique died in between movies, off panel, if JLaw didn't want to sit down for makeup. Something "important" has to happen in the ten years between these movies. It's kinda ridiculous nothing of note happens and the characters only meet up once every decade.

Also FC story isn’t just the beginning of Charles, Eric & Raven it’s Hank’s as well Moira’s IMO. But once again just wishful thinking on my part.

Again Xavier and Moira already rekindled their relationship in Apocalypse, why repeat it here? She should've been standing next to Xavier outside the Danger Room while he was talking to Magneto, it would be reminiscent of the final minutes of FC when Moira (not Mystique) coined the term "X-men." But I guess it would be awkward since Magneto almost killed MacTaggert on the Cuban beach LOL

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Does Mystique love meat pie?

 

[Cktopl33]

A longer trilogy wouldn't have helped since the first two films were also going to be the Dark Phoenix story, it's just been compressed into one movie.

So we'd still have the franchise hurtling into Dark Phoenix. It would be more comic-accurate with Hellfire Club and Shi'ar but we've no real idea what Kinberg had in in mind.

The problem is that Xavier, Magneto and Mystique were given fairly complete arcs in the first three films (First Class, DoFP, Apocalypse) so that should have been the end of them having to take up masses of screen time.

Xavier lost use of his legs, lost his hair and encouraged Jean to embrace her powers this time; Magneto went to the dark side but ended up friends with Charles once again; and Mystique didn't end up being an evil villain and instead ended up joining the X-Men. Having her leading the team was unpalatable and didn't fit the character at all, but nonetheless she ended up at the mansion. They had their story arcs.

In Dark Phoenix, they should instead have focused on the X-Men themselves, something they have failed to do over and over again...

Well, it was a little more than simply compressing two movies into one for Dark Phoenix. Entire characters had to be cut out. Entire sequences were never part of the story. The whole alien invasion or secretive infiltration thing with Chastain's character was never in the original script. Chastain was a completely different character. The focus was on the x-men. Other characters would have also been used. The space elements and alien characters would have been utilized a lot more effectively. All of this was being reworked as they started shooting because the studio suddenly cut off the budget for any future films and they had to scramble to rewrite the script to make it work for one movie (that's why some scenes they were shooting had no script....there was little time to rewrite new scenes). Then the studio had other ideas they wanted to insert into the "evolving" script since it was going to be a one film movie and the last one anyway. And then after that.......well...the film had to be corrected in some way.

So the creative team were planning on continuing the franchise and the focus was going to be on the newer version of the x-men instead of the First Class cast. They just didn't know this would be the last movie until right up when they entered production. And then the "official" announcement for the merger came a month or so after they wrapped shooting where they understood why their plans were cut. So the studio wasn't really concerned about any of the plans producers and filmmakers had made for current/future films. It took everybody at Fox by surprise except for the top few senior studio folks who were aware of plans for the merger (and likely were going to cash out).

 

[carpenter82]

 

[marvintabacon]

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[kevork89]

Lmfao kind of cheesy but I also love it. Clever bit of marketing there.

 

[GuestStar2004]

 

[GuestStar2004]

 

[Justice4#Rouge]

New low res shot of Alexandra Shipp as Storm:

 

[carpenter82]

Curious if that's Zimmer's score in the background.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Curious if that's Zimmer's score in the background.

Me too! It sounds very similar to the score in the leaked footage.

Not that I watched it!

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Reminds me of Candyman poster.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

You can’t ask for that here. So, maybe delete that.

 

[hurrikane2]

You don’t wanna see it trust me..it’s very” x-men apocalypse-y”

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Anything filmed in super low quality looks “X-men Apocalypse-y.”