Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Endeavor]

This is what i was expecting and shocked that it was no were in the movie. Think endzone is right; I can't remember if they even directly talk. Kinberg has said he knows what the fans want and he may frequent online word of mouth, so how he is completely oblivious to Storms disservice is very strange.

It's not strange, sorry.
Not to me and many others.
He is a BS master. Always has been, always will be. The statements about being aware and addressing this or that, are nothing more than his usual snake-oil salesman routine.

 

[Mad Ones]

Its like the reverse problem with Apocalypse, which pacing was too slow. This was way too fast and didn’t give you anytime to contemplate anything.

I think those concept would have worked better with longer runtime.

But at the same time, the movie was very boring at parts. I was bored with scenes featuring my favourite character of all time in an adaptation of her best storyline. That shouldn't happen. So more scenes might not fix anything. The movie is missing a really important element: a compelling villain.

 

[Hand Banana]

But at the same time, the movie was very boring at parts. I was bored with scenes featuring my favourite character of all time in an adaptation of her best storyline. That shouldn't happen. So more scenes might not fix anything. The movie is missing a really important element: a compelling villain.

Disagree. With more scenes you can develop the villain more.

 

[henzINNIT]

There is nothing to Kinberg's writing that tells me he could have accomplished more with more time.

 

[-JKR-]

I don’t think Batman Forever was that bad. It actually tried to explored Bruce’s psyche unlike the Burton films which were about the villains.

My eyes rolled way too hard.

 

[Charzhin0]

But at the same time, the movie was very boring at parts. I was bored with scenes featuring my favourite character of all time in an adaptation of her best storyline. That shouldn't happen. So more scenes might not fix anything. The movie is missing a really important element: a compelling villain.

Its because Mistiques death becomes the dominant storyline after shes killed. Characters are shown reacting to what her death means to them personally in drawn out scenes. From Charles and Beast to the drawn out guessing game of "whose blood is that?" with Magneto.

 

[MovieSlave]

It's not strange, sorry.
Not to me and many others.
He is a BS master. Always has been, always will be. The statements about being aware and addressing this or that, are nothing more than his usual snake-oil salesman routine.

Exactly.

I really wish he was cut loose after the Disney/Fox deal went through. Kevin Feige better slam the hammer down and basically tell him it's his way or the highway when it comes time for MS to make a FF or X-men film.

As far as Kinberg knowing what the fans want. Yeah, putting in characters here and there throughout this franchise just to show off their powers with no development. He knows a lot of fans can be easily excited chumps and will see a character in the trailer and get excited and think that means the movie is going to be great. We've all seen that over the past couple of decades. One example is when they announce someone like Multiple Man is going to be in X-Men: The Last Stand and I remember a lot of fans were super excited and then we see what his role amounts to.

 

[Charzhin0]

Disagree. With more scenes you can develop the villain more.

I could have used more villain time for sure. Expanding the mutant universe and learning about the aliens more would have been very interesting in place of some of the repeated stuff in the theatrucal cut.

One of my favourite scenes in Dark Phoenix is when Chastain is explaining the cosmic origins of the Phoenix force whilst projecting that illusion with Jean

 

[Charzhin0]

As far as Kinberg knowing what the fans want. Yeah, putting in characters here and there throughout this franchise just to show off their powers with no development. He knows a lot of fans can be easily excited chumps and will see a character in the trailer and get excited and think that means the movie is going to be great.

I trusted Kinberg to realise how the fans were discontent with Storm in Apocalypse and improve her in Dark Phoenix. But he took that to mean, I should give her some cool special effects whilst cutting down on her dialogue time even less than Apocalypse.

 

[Mad Ones]

But the whole idea of these aliens was absolutely terrible. I agree that more screen time could be used to flesh them out, but I'd want to see a whole different kind of alien. I don't think these ones had any potential.

Spoiler

The D'bari looked like ****ing pedestrians lol. So cheap.

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[Hand Banana]

But the whole idea of these aliens was absolutely terrible. I agree that more screen time could be used to flesh them out, but I'd want to see a whole different kind of alien. I don't think these ones had any potential.

Spoiler

The D'bari looked like ****ing pedestrians lol. So cheap.

Apparently the aliens were originally meant to be the Shi’ar but after Fox decided to condense the film from a two parter to one in late pre-production they settled for generic aliens to keep the movie from being bloated. They didn’t know what to do.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

The idea of the original cast facing Apocalypse sounds more exciting to me. But honetly, I don't think it would be much different. The movie would be a mess anyway.

So, I guess I'm glad the original cast had a somewhat decent goodbye in both DoFP and Logan. Although I don't think having 1 or 2 lines can be considered a good send off.

It wouldn't matter if the version of the villain is the one we got, aka Ivan Pook.

Maybe if he was a hulking, motion captured bad guy fitting for modern movie sensibilities. And not a tiny, awkwardly performed character by an actor clearly struggling under that overbearing make up and gear, while still looking bad.

 

[Alison Blaire]

 

[Dark Raven]

As far as Kinberg knowing what the fans want. Yeah, putting in characters here and there throughout this franchise just to show off their powers with no development. He knows a lot of fans can be easily excited chumps and will see a character in the trailer and get excited and think that means the movie is going to be great. We've all seen that over the past couple of decades. One example is when they announce someone like Multiple Man is going to be in X-Men: The Last Stand and I remember a lot of fans were super excited and then we see what his role amounts to.

He does know what the fans want. Fans of Fant4stic, that is.

 

[Lip]

Finish your French vanilla coffee and go

 

[henzINNIT]

I bet Kristian Harlof is angry after 19 years busting his ass being an X-Men fan

 

[Lip]

I honestly don't think the problem with Dark Phoenix was the villain. And honestly, thinking about it, with the exception of Eric, which is sort of an anti-villain, FOX was never really outstanding with villains. Apocalypse: failed. Bolivar Trask in DoFP: underwhelming. The Hellfire Club, Emma and Shawn: Eh... not so great. Maybe the best villain they had was... Stryker?

 

[Lip]

Maybe if he was a hulking, motion captured bad guy fitting for modern movie sensibilities. And not a tiny, awkwardly performed character by an actor clearly struggling under that overbearing make up and gear, while still looking bad.

Didn't Isaac said he he hated it?

Poor guy. Apocalypse should've been CGI like Thanos.

 

[Alison Blaire]

Kinberg is leaking lies about Singer to mislead.

Before the ‘Bohemian Rhapsody’ Mess, Bryan Singer Reportedly Went AWOL From ‘X-Men’ Movie Sets

 

[Alison Blaire]

Kinberg playing dirty.

 

[icekid]

I don’t understand a lot of these commentary videos talking about what’s next. There is no next. John Campea said it best that now the MCU doesn’t have to try that hard, they can do literally anything and to be honest, it doesn’t have to be that long of a wait. If anything will require a wait, in universe, it’s setting up the world of mutants because it can’t happen overnight, unless somehow the first snap kickstarted the X-Gene and in that case the 5 year time jump in Endgame helps us greatly.

 

[Mad Ones]

Apparently the aliens were originally meant to be the Shi’ar but after Fox decided to condense the film from a two parter to one in late pre-production they settled for generic aliens to keep the movie from being bloated. They didn’t know what to do.

Not sure how much we can say here without spoiler tags.

Spoiler

The aliens could have been the Shi'ar, with at least an attempt to capture the large scale of the empire and regality of those characters. Chastain could have been Lilandra imagined as a more simple antagonist getting revenge on the Phoenix force for destroying a fleet/planet. The X-men could fight the Imperial guard instead of nobodies. I think this would have been better, but I don't know how it fits into this film trying to be "grounded" "moody" and "intimate".

I just think there were major problems at the conceptual level that the film couldn't get passed.

 

[icekid]

Kinberg is leaking lies about Singer to mislead.

Before the ‘Bohemian Rhapsody’ Mess, Bryan Singer Reportedly Went AWOL From ‘X-Men’ Movie Sets

But he’s not. There’s no reason why I should see Bryan at the Abbey in West Hollywood when he was supposed to be on set..in Montreal. There’s no reason why male adult “actors” are appearing in the special features of DoFP taking tours. There’s no reason why he was focused on shielding Kevin Spacey in Hawaii during that fallout instead of his own job.

He got fired from Bohemain Rhapsody for doing the exact same thing.

 

[Hand Banana]

Kinberg is leaking lies about Singer to mislead.

Before the ‘Bohemian Rhapsody’ Mess, Bryan Singer Reportedly Went AWOL From ‘X-Men’ Movie Sets

Hasn’t that been known for a while?