Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

The Collider guys made a great point that by not the calling the film "X-Men: Dark Phoenix" in the states hurt it as well.

The casual moviegoer wouldn't know who or what is Dark Phoenix. I had to explain to my sister that Dark Phoenix was an X-Men film.

Kinberg wanted a "Logan" type marketing. Wrong decision. You don't throw away your brand name.
 
So they could have gotten the second part out if everything happened on schedule.

Yeah the whole filming was to be for the entire saga. That’s why the shoot was from June through October. A 5 month shoot is a long time for a single film.
 
Kinberg was clearly convinced the only way to get the film right was to do everything - the writing and directing.

But it just didn't work.

Having to reduce the project from two instalments to one, then having to reshoot the third act because of poor testing cannot have been easy. The production dramas on this seem horrific, but probably only because the film didn't survive them to become a success. Chastain must have been exasperated to say the least.

What a sorry mess this franchise has ended in. It's truly sad to see.

The filmmakers in general seem to be according to THR.

Meanwhile, one former Fox executive notes, “If the merger didn’t happen, some of these people would be worried about their jobs. If the merger didn’t happen, people would be clamoring for Fox to do what Sony did with Spider-Man and ask for Marvel’s help.”
 
The Collider guys made a great point that by not the calling the film "X-Men: Dark Phoenix" in the states hurt it as well.

The casual moviegoer wouldn't know who or what is Dark Phoenix. I had to explain to my sister that Dark Phoenix was an X-Men film.

Kinberg wanted a "Logan" type marketing. Wrong decision. You don't throw away your brand name.
actually, it was a really honest decision:

the movie isnt about the x-men. In the end, its a movie about Charles, Erik and Hank dealing with Jean grey going dark. the scenes with most lines in the movie are the ones where these three characters talk (including Raven). So.... not calling the movie X-Men was honest marketing, for once.
 
I believe it was icekid who hinted on here that Feige told Kinberg the rewritten aliens could no longer be called Lilandra and Shi'ar...

I only mentioned Fiege in that they were changing the look of the force into a more cosmic look because he wanted the fire aspect. I never mention Fiege when it came to a Shiar or Lilandra. Kinberg understood that he didn’t want to do a disservice to Lilandra by turning her into yet another one note villain.
 
This "the audience didn't know this was an X-men movie because it wasn't in the title" doesn't fly. Tell that to The Dark Knight. Tell that to Logan. Tell that to all the other films that are not known-properties that have been quite successful.
I dont even understand why jLaw pushed Kinberg to direct another Xfilm after the she basically got Singer fired.

I mean she didnt exactly bring her A game performance and gets killed early on. She looked pretty much identical to her apocalypse role if not worse so god knows what urged her to think life under Kinberg direction would be better
People know I hate Kinberg and what he's done to this franchise.

But by all intents and purposes he seems like a nice, harmless guy, who seems to get along with everyone. That's probably how he endears himself with his cast, and how he's able to climb up that corporate ladder. It's certainly not from his writing. It's been said he (along with Sigel and Ottman) has had to sit in on days when Singer went AWOL from the DOFP and especially the Apocalypse sets. The cast probably liked him in that director's chair on those days, just like they supposedly enjoyed their time for Dark Phoenix. Unfortunately for them, what they experience as a calm, give-and-take relationship with their director Kinberg on the set of Montreal doesn't always produce the best results.

Singer's problems started long before even on the X2 set when he would get into fights with DeSanto (from taking pain medication for this back) and Singer and Ottman have always had a love-hate relationship. I'll always bring up the time Singer had a particularly bad day, after taking medication, and got into a back-and-forth with DeSanto. The cast sided with Tom DeSanto, and Halle told Singer to "Kiss my black a$$!"

John seems to be the only one that can stand the guy long enough to work with him, and produce solid films like X2 and DOFP.
Kinberg was clearly convinced the only way to get the film right was to do everything - the writing and directing.

But it just didn't work.
That too.
I believe it was icekid who hinted on here that Feige told Kinberg the rewritten aliens could no longer be called Lilandra and Shi'ar...
Meh. Sounds like another made-up excuse that doesn't line up with reality.
 
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This news of Singer going AWOL on the set of DOFP is a revelation to me. I’ve always credited him (along with the cast) for that movie turning out great despite the script being written by Kinberg. I guess the stars aligned during the production of that movie.

People know I hate Kinberg and what he's done to this franchise.

But by all intents and purposes he seems like a nice, harmless guy, who seems to get along with everyone. That's probably how he endears himself with his cast, and how he's able to climb up that corporate ladder. It's certainly not from his writing. It's been said he (along with Sigel and Ottman) has had to sit in on days when Singer went AWOL from the DOFP and especially the Apocalypse sets. The cast probably liked him in that director's chair on those days, just like they supposedly enjoyed their time for Dark Phoenix. Unfortunately for them, what they experience as a calm, give-and-take relationship with their director Kinberg on the set of Montreal doesn't always produce the best results.

I think the exact same.
 
actually, it was a really honest decision:

the movie isnt about the x-men. In the end, its a movie about Charles, Erik and Hank dealing with Jean grey going dark. the scenes with most lines in the movie are the ones where these three characters talk (including Raven). So.... not calling the movie X-Men was honest marketing, for once.

The X-Men movies have never been about the X-Men.
 
This "the audience didn't know this was an X-men movie because it wasn't in the title" doesn't fly. Tell that to The Dark Knight. Tell that to Logan. Tell that to all the other films that are not known-properties that have been quite successful.

People know I hate Kinberg and what he's done to this franchise.

But by all intents and purposes he seems like a nice, harmless guy, who seems to get along with everyone. That's probably how he endears himself with his cast, and how he's able to climb up that corporate ladder. It's certainly not from his writing. It's been said he (along with Sigel and Ottman) has had to sit in on days when Singer went AWOL from the DOFP and especially the Apocalypse sets. The cast probably liked him in that director's chair on those days, just like they supposedly enjoyed their time for Dark Phoenix. Unfortunately for them, what they experience as a calm, give-and-take relationship with their director Kinberg on the set of Montreal doesn't always produce the best results.

Singer's problems started long before even on the X2 set when he would get into fights with DeSanto (from taking pain medication for this back) and Singer and Ottman have always had a love-hate relationship. I'll always bring up the time Singer had a particularly bad day, after taking medication, and got into a back-and-forth with DeSanto. The cast sided with Tom DeSanto, and Halle told Singer to "Kiss my black a$$!"

John seems to be the only one that can stand the guy long enough to work with him, and produce solid films like X2 and DOFP.

That too.

Meh. Sounds like another made-up excuse that doesn't line up with reality.

I agree the X-Men title thing is a lame excuse.

Also, regarding Bryan Singer, I remember he even voluntarily told a story at a panel some years back at Austin Film Festival (this is over 10 years ago when I was in college), he talked about how he got into a fight I believe with Chris McQuarrie, likely over Usual Suspects. And by Singer's own description, it ended with him throwing the script at McQuarrie. Now don't take my word for it, I'm remembering a story he told live like some 10+ years ago. I might be getting the names wrong, but he definitely got into an argument and threw a script at one of his collaborators.
 
Here is what I don't get and what I want to know. Why didn't Disney just shelve the film?

Was too much money spent on it? Did they have legal agreements guaranteeing its release? Did they have to justify spending $200 million on it?

Also, how is this film $200 million, other than maybe the lead guys? It certainly doesn't look like a $200 million movie. Once again, it doesn't even look better than X2 which came out in 2003 and had about half the budget.
 
Here is what I don't get and what I want to know. Why didn't Disney just shelve the film?

Was too much money spent on it? Did they have legal agreements guaranteeing its release? Did they have to justify spending $200 million on it?

Also, how is this film $200 million, other than maybe the lead guys? It certainly doesn't look like a $200 million movie. Once again, it doesn't even look better than X2 which came out in 2003 and had about half the budget.

I watched that John Campea video and I liked the way he put it, it would be better for Marvel to follow up two bad X-Men films than something like Logan or DoFP in everyone’s recent memory than how those films led to a massive descent like this or New Mutants. That way, when the eventual and probably near X-Men reboot, audiences will firmly know that it’s a redo. There would be no confusion about it.
 
I can't help but laugh at that IndieWire article though. Yes Singer went AWOL on those sets and I have insider knowledge that that's exactly what happened but the article is clearly skewed so it paints Kinberg as this knight-in-shining-armour that swooped in to save DOFP. In a weekend that Kinberg's finally outed as this hack, the stories are flooding out that he "ghost-directed" that excellent movie. "See! He's not a complete hack you guys!!!"

Just his luck that the other movies he also ghost-directed are Apocalypse and Fan4stic.

Kinberg just can't catch a break LMAO

Reminds of the week where the rumourmill was in full swing during the Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston split and that Angelina was the third party. I remember Pitt and Jolie hired a PR firm to take care of their coming out party. Ugh.
 
I watched that John Campea video and I liked the way he put it, it would be better for Marvel to follow up two bad X-Men films than something like Logan or DoFP in everyone’s recent memory than how those films led to a massive descent like this or New Mutants. That way, when the eventual and probably near X-Men reboot, audiences will firmly know that it’s a redo. There would be no confusion about it.

Eh that's a convoluted argument at best. John Campea also said there's no way Deadpool would ever get an R-Rating.
 
I can't help but laugh at that IndieWire article though. Yes Singer went AWOL on those sets and I have insider knowledge that that's exactly what happened but the article is clearly skewed so it paints Kinberg as this knight-in-shining-armour that swooped in to save DOFP. In a weekend that Kinberg's finally outed as this hack, the stories are flooding out that he "ghost-directed" that excellent movie. "See! He's not a complete hack you guys!!!"

Just his luck that the other movies he also ghost-directed are Apocalypse and Fan4stic.

Kinberg just can't catch a break LMAO

Reminds of the week where the rumourmill was in full swing during the Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston split and that Angelina was the third party. I remember Pitt and Jolie hired a PR firm to take care of their coming out party. Ugh.

Kinberg supposedly ghost directed Fant4stic too and oversaw the reshoots, that's based on the reports when that movie came out...so...
 
Eh that's a convoluted argument at best. John Campea also said there's no way Deadpool would ever get an R-Rating.

True, but I can see that going over with audiences as an excuse to get a reboot out faster and start capitalizing on their new IP sooner than later. We all think they have to wait because of overexposure whereas it’s now been proven it’s the opposite.

Fiege has just handed himself a new TASM/TASM2 situation.
 
True, but I can see that going over with audiences as an excuse to get a reboot out faster and start capitalizing on their new IP sooner than later. We all think they have to wait because of overexposure whereas it’s now been proven it’s the opposite. Fiege has handed himself a new TASM/TASM2 situation.

We have no idea how they are rebooting or rolling out X-Men yet in MCU.

Also, New Mutants still hasn't been released and is apparently still getting released.
 
Campea always sounds like he's just making stuff as he goes along. I'm more inclined to believe Robert Meyer Burnett.

Is there any reason why Campea didn't see the movie with the rest of the blogosphere? (I've always thought Burnett *KNOWS* Kinberg is a hack, like most of us know, so I wasn't surprised he didn't bother watching when the rest of the twiterrati did.)
 
We have no idea how they are rebooting or rolling out X-Men yet in MCU.

Also, New Mutants still hasn't been released and is apparently still getting released.

True, but we didn’t know Spider-Man would show up until casting rumors started to swirl about. It could happen sooner than we expect, and the public will eat it up.

As for New Mutants, again, who knows how that’s coming about. Also, there’s one big difference between those all these reshoots and this past film, it will have Disney fully at the helm. Perhaps they take that title in a more literal sense.


I still have questions as to how you set up a group of heroes that protect a world that hates and fears them if there’s been no mention of said hate and fear but I think the 5 year time jump may have handed it to them on a silver platter.
 
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