Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - Part 2

[Lip]

dont worry, she will be back once Lamar's character and Dazzler dont return in the next sequel. U know, how Kinberg likes it.

Why would she return in the next sequel if she can be killed off off screen like Emma and Banshe? And why would they bring her back when they still have Rogue, Kitty, Bobby, and other characters to waste? You know, that's how this creative team likes it.

 

[Lip]

Seriously tho, start making your bets. Kinberg will certainly be killing some of them off.

 

[Frankeh]

Like Clockwork. As JEM pointed out, people were responding to that ^

That post was also a response to BeholdMe which is what I've been saying. Not to mention I can point to other posters who "Like Clockwork" have a triggered response to anyone saying anything remotely negative on the movie.

But the mods said we need to stop the bickering, so I should not continue this discussion....

 

[Ryan1210]

https://instagram.com/p/BYHVTfiny_a/

This makes me sad

Ughh

alexandrashipppp

Miss u so so so much

 

[DACrowe]

I don't think people talk about BeholdMe post ( not me at least). The debate is more "there is no trailer, Fox don't care about hype, marketing and X-Men fans".

Fox is smart about this. Logan had a slow build up and release and was welcomed as a great movie by fans. Mind you it actually was great. Apocalypse had them giving away every detail and no one cared when it came out. Mind you it was a meh movie. But this means they are seeing success by flying under the radar, develop the film further than most in the genre, and then cut some kickass size reels close to release. Assuming there is anything kickass about this.

 

[Smilodon]

If it's good, it'll work out and help the final product. If it sucks, then no amount of delaying and hiding will work anyways, so there's no use fretting over these marketing things.

Anyways, maybe Emmanuel da Costa will actually appear in the film.

http://universoxmen.com.br/2017/08/pessoas-latinas-em-fenix-negra/

 

[NotNickFury]

Ughh

alexandrashipppp

True. I mean, sure, Lana Condor's part in Apocalypse and could essentially be written as a cameo, but she seems to enjoy the role and hey, Jubilee is about as 90s X-Men as you can get. While it'd be nice if she got more time to shine, especially if we're going to bring back Toad and Ink, I suppose that's not the case this time.

 

[psyonic]

False advertisement.. Jubilee did nothing at all, the scenes of her doing nothing were cut. She was hyped up for nothing.

 

[X-Maniac]

I hope this movie does well. But you have the same writer, Simon Kinberg, who also wrote X3 and X:A. He also did DOFP, which is one of the best superhero movies ever, but that's still a 1:3 ratio. The person who wrote the 2 worst X-movies, both of which were horrible for the SAME reasons:

1) Inconsistent characters
2) Superficial dialogue
3) Not enough conflict, so uses characters as death fodder

And now he's not only writing but directing this new movie? The guy is talented--you can't write DOFP without serious skills. But it's hit and miss. Singer got blamed for X:A, after having a solid record with 3 other X-movies and he came up with the story for X:FC.

I am not optimistic about X-DP. I would LOVE to be wrong.

Even DoFP had many of the same problems as X:A.

In DoFP, we had death fodder characters (Bishop, Blink, Warpath, Sunspot, and even the off-screen departures of Banshee, Azazel, Emma and Angel Salvadore) and we also had the actual X-Men being a sideshow in their own movie.

DoFP got away with it because we had the familiarity/nostalgia of the original cast (we knew them already from at least three prior movies) and because deaths are far more expected in a horrifying dystopian world of mutant extinction that they are trying to prevent.

But then Kinberg used the same template for X:A. He opened with unfamiliar characters (Apocalypse and his cool mutant henchmen) and we didn't care about them because we didn't know them, then killed them off, quickly killed off classic characters (Angel and Havok this time, not Banshee and Emma). He tends to kill off characters when he has no more use for them, no idea what to do with them.

So I don't expect this to change in DP. It's how he thinks.

We will get undeveloped characters who are killed off (some of them will only be there to be killed off), the actual X-Men will be mostly a sideshow in their own movie (Storm, Nightcrawler and the new X-Men team members likely to be underdeveloped, maybe even Cyclops too).

There will be meaningless deaths just because he doesn't know what to do with the characters or thinks there should deaths to make the story have stakes and consequences, not because the deaths actually MEAN anything or actually MATTER.

So we can expect some of Lilandra's Imperial Guard and maybe the newly introduced X-Men members or even existing X-Men members to bite the dust in some faux drama that none of us care about.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I remember before apocalypse was released people were like whats the point of this movie? we know no one will die.

Infact singer had to counter those arguments by saying he will kill off who he wants too, anyone is up for grabs.

Personally i have always argued no one wants anyone to be killed off so why make a huge fuss about it? all fans would do after is start planning cloning resurrections

Although with archangel i don't think he is Necessarily dead since he looked in incredibly good condition laying there in the open rubble for someone who just crashed in a jet

 

[NotNickFury]

Okay, looking at the onslaught of DCEU related news that's come out in the past few days, I'll say this about Dark Phoenix...even though there's next to no news to discuss outside of the occasional photo here and there, at least there's, by the same token, nothing to lose our lids over. This way, Kinberg, and by extension, anyone else involved, control the narrative.

By the same token, while I find the DCEU to have some good ideas that have come out recently this past week, the reception has seem more mixed. Sure, Kinberg is still the big question mark, but that's been about it. Nothing else has really, as far as I can tell, caused those interested in this film to lose their minds because, as is, there's nothing to go off of.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Okay, looking at the onslaught of DCEU related news that's come out in the past few days, I'll say this about Dark Phoenix...even though there's next to no news to discuss outside of the occasional photo here and there, at least there's, by the same token, nothing to lose our lids over. This way, Kinberg, and by extension, anyone else involved, control the narrative.

By the same token, while I find the DCEU to have some good ideas that have come out recently this past week, the reception has seem more mixed. Sure, Kinberg is still the big question mark, but that's been about it. Nothing else has really, as far as I can tell, caused those interested in this film to lose their minds because, as is, there's nothing to go off of.

wb is being a clusterf=ck

fox has been fairly consent with plans.their plans as apocalypse was coming
have remained consest.more spin-offs as well as more X-men films.

WB meanwhile is becoming joke changing plans dairly.

people give gox hell but it's nothing compared to WB

 

[NotNickFury]

Again, intent not to make this into studio wars. Just that, in this case, perhaps no news on Fox's end is good news because, for now, they can control the narrative. That's about it.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Again, intent not to make this into studio wars. Just that, in this case, perhaps no news on Fox's end is good news because, for now, they can control the narrative. That's about it.

the comment was about wb crazy schedule compared to fox's consent one.
I was never saying quality wise who are being better.fox and wb film fans don't get into arguements like MCU fans do with everyone else.DC fans have never attacked me for saying i thought mos was meh.

fox contunity attacks are nothing compared to wb contunity.a joker film unconected to various films with jared leto a sjoker.now the batman isn't part of dceu contunity.it just makes my head hurt.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Okay, looking at the onslaught of DCEU related news that's come out in the past few days, I'll say this about Dark Phoenix...even though there's next to no news to discuss outside of the occasional photo here and there, at least there's, by the same token, nothing to lose our lids over. This way, Kinberg, and by extension, anyone else involved, control the narrative.

Nobody besides us cares. X-Men news doesn't generate clicks on sites anymore. That's why only omega underground is scooping for info.

 

[SumT]

Another bad sign

 

[GuestStar2004]

Nobody besides us cares. X-Men news doesn't generate clicks on sites anymore. That's why only omega underground is scooping for info.

Don't know where you are getting ideas like that from?

Plenty of sites post X-Men news straight away when they actually get news to post.

Infact you could almost ask why do several sites post the same X-MEN news if X-Men didn't generate clicks for them.

 

[Electrix]

Nobody besides us cares. X-Men news doesn't generate clicks on sites anymore. That's why only omega underground is scooping for info.

There's barely any news. Most of the cast is back along with Jessica Chastain and several minor characters like Toad. There's no big scoop with this movie like the hunt for actors to play Scott/Jean/Storm last time, or the actor playing Apocalypse.

 

[NotNickFury]

Yeah, really does feel like this and New Mutants are taking the Logan approach and keeping production hush-hush. Leaves little to discuss, but like Logan, hoping that there's an eventual tease that gets everyone's attention.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Nobody besides us cares. X-Men news doesn't generate clicks on sites anymore. That's why only omega underground is scooping for info.

That doesn't make any sense I see just as much buzz anout X-Men on mainstream media as any other universe.

 

[SumT]

seems like some are totally missing the fact that set pics are leaking (tho without the actors) but none, and I mean, not one single site, has posted about them. That should tell you the total lack of hype/interest from movie and cbm sites. This is a sign guys, dont downplay it.

if those were avengers pics, we can be sure they would be all over the net, sites and networks. Its true what someone said on here, I remember reading a repoter from a movie site saying last year that x-men articles didnt get enough readers. So yeah, this is a factor and sign of less interest in the x-men movies. But we dont have to speculate that much, XMA boxoffice is the best indication. There was a big decrease from Dofp so Fox need to get their stuff together and improve the marketing big time if they want to get fans and viewers back

 

[JEM]

seems like some are totally missing the fact that set pics are leaking (tho without the actors) but none, and I mean, not one single site, has posted about them. That should tell you the total lack of hype/interest from movie and cbm sites. This is a sign guys, dont downplay it.

if those were avengers pics, we can be sure they would be all over the net, sites and networks. Its true what someone said on here, I remember reading a repoter from a movie site saying last year that x-men articles didnt get enough readers. So yeah, this is a factor and sign of less interest in the x-men movies. But we dont have to speculate that much, XMA boxoffice is the best indication. There was a big decrease from Dofp so Fox need to get their stuff together and improve the marketing big time if they want to get fans and viewers back

Set pics with actors are leaking ?
Show me please. I only saw Tye photo.

 

[GuestStar2004]

seems like some are totally missing the fact that set pics are leaking (tho without the actors) but none, and I mean, not one single site, has posted about them. That should tell you the total lack of hype/interest from movie and cbm sites. This is a sign guys, dont downplay it.

What exactly are they meant to post? a park location with blue screens blocking the way?

When the picture of tye with the visor was put up then yeah loads of sites posted about it... but what is there to post now exactly?

You are looking for issues where there are not any.

 

[Smilodon]

Yeah....nah. You answered your own question. No one cares about set pics without actors in it period. Or a 90s set in the middle of a Canadian park. The Avengers setpics have actors in it and people can actually see them. People take notice of Marvel making a LoTR-esque Asgard set in the middle of Australia. Or a big stunt that shuts down part of a very public freeway for a significant part of the week.

It's not rocket science. Once there's more to write about, then people will write about it.

 

[NotNickFury]

Set pics with actors are leaking ?
Show me please. I only saw Tye photo.

Not sure how to save an Instagram photo, but...yeah, they're mostly photos of just the set. Some of these photos are even very far away, so one glance and you wouldn't be able to tell it's from Dark Phoenix unless the photographer stated as much.

Not much to report from just some set photos unless folks wanted to try and draw a comparison between that and some locale from X-Men lore. With Sheridan and the visor, that's definitely something to report.