Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - Part 7

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[fobi]

I wonder if the mission will be the opening sequence that they usually have before the credits. If so I'm definitely looking forward to that, those have been great with every film.

 

[Lip]

Sounds like Kinberg has usurped Storm's role as the maternal member of the group.

Well, she was introduced as part of a genocide...

 

[X-Maniac]

Well, she was introduced as part of a genocide...

Mystique is no doubt leader of the group (replacing Cyclops).

And now the 'mother hen' of the group (replacing Storm).

So you can see that the X-Men themselves will be in the background.

Then there's all this rehashing of plot points. I think critics might have hard time with overly familiar story elements. Even though X3 was in 2006, it's still in people's minds. Especially critics, who are supposed to remember all this stuff.

I'm starting to doubt Skrulls are in it though. There was a leaked opening sequence with a Skrull invasion at the United Nations. But this latest info from EW talks about a space rescue mission at the start of the film.

I think Chastain may be Cassandra Nova. There was talk that her character makes Xavier cry, which would make sense if she was his long-lost sister whom he thought dead.

I don't like very much of what I'm hearing and reading and seeing. We've already had the Phoenix story - I thought it was a risk doing that again at this point, but if it's not drastically different, people are just going to recall X3. A space mission isn't enough to differentiate it if a lot of things play out the same.

 

[Lip]

JLaw's quote made it clear the X-Men will be the background of Raven and Charles conflicts.

About Chastain's character, I still think it's Veranke because, although they didn't mention the skrulls or the Skrull Queen, they've said she is playing a "otherworldly shapeshifter", which fits Veranke better. And it fits the scoop about the skrulls too. So I think there are more basis to sustain she is Veranke than other villain.

But I won't be surprise if she is Cassandra. That way they can easily shift focus to Charles, which is a priority for them.

 

[Ryan1210]

Yeah how dare they! They should've put Charles & Raven on the cover! Oh wait...

 

[jaymes_e06]

Mystique is no doubt leader of the group (replacing Cyclops).

And now the 'mother hen' of the group (replacing Storm).

So you can see that the X-Men themselves will be in the background.

Then there's all this rehashing of plot points. I think critics might have hard time with overly familiar story elements. Even though X3 was in 2006, it's still in people's minds. Especially critics, who are supposed to remember all this stuff.

I'm starting to doubt Skrulls are in it though. There was a leaked opening sequence with a Skrull invasion at the United Nations. But this latest info from EW talks about a space rescue mission at the start of the film.

I think Chastain may be Cassandra Nova. There was talk that her character makes Xavier cry, which would make sense if she was his long-lost sister whom he thought dead.

I don't like very much of what I'm hearing and reading and seeing. We've already had the Phoenix story - I thought it was a risk doing that again at this point, but if it's not drastically different, people are just going to recall X3. A space mission isn't enough to differentiate it if a lot of things play out the same.

Why would Cassandra Nova be other worldly? Also one thing seems similar so far to X3 and that's Jean getting help from Magneto. How it will play out in context is anyones guess.

 

[Flint Marko]

J. Law made a remark about how the last three X-men films were chaotic behind the scenes. I figured that First Class was that way since they were on a tight deadline, but what happened behind the scenes with DOFP and Apocalypse?

 

[DACrowe]

carpenter82 wrote this in the past thread:

I just don't understand why some franchises are allowed to have mediocre to bad bad installments and audiences still look forward to the next film. However, with X-Men even if the film stumbles a little bit fans get up in arms. Apocalypse wasn't amazing but I'd still prefer that film to the first two Thor's, Iron Man 2, Dr. Strange, Civil War, BvS, etc.. Personally, DOFP was so good that I'm willing to give any film in this series the benefit of the doubt. Also, it's nice to have one superhero series that's purely interested in making good films,[/b[ and not trying to build a cinematic universe. Too bad it's the last of a dying breed.

There is something to that for me. The X-films are still trying to make each movie be something unique, as opposed to falling into an assembly line. I saw someone say once the Disney deal goes through Dark Phoenix is a "lame duck." Why?

The reason why is fans are increasingly inclined to no longer look at these as movies or individual film experiences, but as advertisements for the next one. If there is nothing to advertise, then why bother with the current one? There is something wrong with this system if you like films for being films, to me.

P.S. Yeah I think DC is a better example because they have screwed up worse than Fox ever did with BvS, SS, and JL. But fans are still hoping they can turn it around. Marvel... I will say that after Thor 2, it is impressive so many were jazzed for Thor 3. And look it turned out to be something special. Who knows maybe X-Men will also recover?

 

[DACrowe]

Leo Zelinsky:

In no world is Simon Kinberg a better director than Bryan Singer. Hes never made a movie before. Singer sucks at X-MEN imo and I was hoping and praying like I did between each release (this is the one they get it right, this is the one not about Raven, its finally not Wolverine and the X-Men.. storm will get to do something this time etc etc) No need to try and psych myself out anymore just to get disappointed again.

It's like a saying "You leave with the girl you came with". No need to stick by it anymore though if fox don't own X-MEN anymore. That's only reason I like fox in first place because of X-MEN now there's no need.

But y'all can talk FOXMEN in peace obviously my comments aren't wanted here. So don't quote me and I won't return to this thread.

... I know I didn't need to quote this, but he spent about 5,000 words gloating that no one will remember any of the Fox X-Men films in a few years while reminiscing over TAS. Yes, TAS is why Fox bought X-Men rights. And without the Fox X-Men movies and Raimi Spider-Man movies, there wouldn't be an MCU either. This tunnel vision some fans have.

So yeah, hence the gif.

 

[Charzhin0]

Good to hear the focus is back om the drama and character rather than messy overbloated action that was in Apocalypse. As long as we get fresh interactions and clashes of ideals (so anything other than a retread of DOFP with Mistique-Prof X-Magneto) then im excited.

 

[Lip]

Good to hear the focus is back om the drama and character rather than messy overbloated action that was in Apocalypse. As long as we get fresh interactions and clashes of ideals (so anything other than a retread of DOFP with Mistique-Prof X-Magneto) then im excited.

Kinberg stated several times that X-Men: Apocalypse would be human, intimate, dramatic, (the most) emotional movie, and focused on the characters. Look at what it turned out. So if I were you I wouldn't believe a word he says.

They also said that Jean/Ororo/Scott/Kurt would take the lead after Apocalypse. However the FC cast is back and most of the infos we got is from their characters.

Also, according to JLaw's quote there will be conflicts of ideologies: the X-Men will be the background of Charles and Raven's conflicts.

Enjoy.

 

[Sithborg]

J. Law made a remark about how the last three X-men films were chaotic behind the scenes. I figured that First Class was that way since they were on a tight deadline, but what happened behind the scenes with DOFP and Apocalypse?

I am guessing it is similar to what Singer's problems were on his current set before he got fired. Tardiness. And I suspect drugs may have been an issue.

 

[fobi]

Why would Cassandra Nova be other worldly

Because she kind of is.

Cassandra is a "mummudrai," a parasitic life form born bodiless on the astral plane. The mummudrai that became Cassandra became telepathically entangled with the future Charles Xavier, who possesses vast mutant telepathic powers. This granted Cassandra some psionic powers herself, including the ability to exit the womb and create a body.

 

[GuestStar2004]

 

[GuestStar2004]

Also, according to JLaw's quote there will be conflicts of ideologies: the X-Men will be the background of Charles and Raven's conflicts.

Enjoy.

That could be part of like one or two darn scenes between them for all we know.

You may be making it a much bigger thing then it actually is.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Because she kind of is.

Nice reach but no...

 

[jaymes_e06]

Leo Zelinsky:

... I know I didn't need to quote this, but he spent about 5,000 words gloating that no one will remember any of the Fox X-Men films in a few years while reminiscing over TAS. Yes, TAS is why Fox bought X-Men rights. And without the Fox X-Men movies and Raimi Spider-Man movies, there wouldn't be an MCU either. This tunnel vision some fans have.

So yeah, hence the gif.

The hypocrisy is strong with Leo.

 

[GuestStar2004]

 

[MarvelU]

Thats cool, I bet her full Phoenix form will be her completely engulfed in flames which would be a good visual. Shes is going to look interesting flying around naked in flames lol.

 

[BeholdMe]

Omgosh that’s so awesome. This picture renewed faith in me about the upcoming movie. There is a possibility it can knock it out of the park. I’m wondering if they are going to incorporate the actual Phoenix costume if not that’s ok I’d like to see her completely engulfed in flames to with strategically placed flames to show off the wild side of DP

 

[X-Maniac]

Why would Cassandra Nova be other worldly?

Why would they make such a thing out of the mystery over Chastain's role if she was just a Skrull Queen?

I think it's because there is a big reveal that she turns out to be someone more personally significant. Something like the Talia reveal in TDKR.

And, of course, Cassandra Nova inhabits the body of an Imperial Guard shapeshifter called Stuff...

Also one thing seems similar so far to X3 and that's Jean getting help from Magneto. How it will play out in context is anyones guess.

The film will be what the film will be.

But I think the MCU would have done a better job with this saga, embracing the cosmic aspects, including the Shiar and Imperial Guard and going all-out with it.

I saw your earlier post calling me an 'idiot' for pointing out plot similarities between this film and X3.

I'm not an idiot.

And for Mr Peanut's 'reminder' that DoFP told us that you can't change the overall flow of time, just add a few ripples, yes we all know that. So can we expect Mystique to go back to being a ruthless baddie? No, I thought not...

Can't wait for this series to go back to Marvel. It's messed up beyond belief.

 

[def28]

P.S. Yeah I think DC is a better example because they have screwed up worse than Fox ever did with BvS, SS, and JL. But fans are still hoping they can turn it around. Marvel... I will say that after Thor 2, it is impressive so many were jazzed for Thor 3. And look it turned out to be something special. Who knows maybe X-Men will also recover?

Have you not seen the Fantastic 4 films?

 

[GuestStar2004]

FOX is a mixed bag, they certainly have made great films that are highly rated among comic book movies and they made some poor films also that range in quality

WB has a slightly lower track record since TDKR in 2012