Your ideas on how Lex and Lois could not know CK's other identity when he finally...

[Justice Bringer]

The difference is in some other versions; Lex doesnt necessarily know who Clark is.....or realize that Superman even has an alias/secret identity.

 

[Seraphartman]

When Clark goes to train with Jor-El to become Superman Jor-El wipes part of everyone memories away or does something to the point where they still know Clark in a way. Where everyone now sees him as the goofy glasses Clark instead of the one that he used to be the Smallville Clark we all know. It could be one of the sacrafices he has to make to be able to keep a secret identity.

 

[TwilightPro101]

When Clark goes to train with Jor-El to become Superman Jor-El wipes part of everyone memories away or does something to the point where they still know Clark in a way. Where everyone now sees him as the goofy glasses Clark instead of the one that he used to be the Smallville Clark we all know. It could be one of the sacrafices he has to make to be able to keep a secret identity.

That faintly reminds me of Reconcking.

 

[Justice Bringer]

Memory wiping is actually a bad idea though; it would render all the development from the entire series for these characters entirely pointless; thus making the series seem pointless.

Plus there are always pictures and stuff. Lex has all those Clark shrines in his mansion. Theres enough information floating around for them to remember Smallville Clark.

 

[heliorei]

You also have to remember that Lex is one of the most powerful men in the planet with unlimited resources. He would find a way to know who Superman is regardless of already knowing or not that it was his former friend.
They even aknowledged it in the comics a while ago by having Lex know.

That's true: Lex will eventually find out Clark's powers but that's something I want to happen when Clark is Superman, not before that.

Lex Luthor is that kind of villain who studies his adversaries, trying to find its weakness: when Lex will find out Superman's weakness, Kryptonite, he will use it the first chance he gets.

Look at that scene in Onyx: he found out Clark's weakness, kryptonite and he used it to put Clark "under" control. Then he used Clark's "second" weakness: his family.

"talk some sense into your son before something unfortunate happens...BLAM!...like that."


That was probably one of the best scenes of the entire series because it truely showed how big Lex Luthor is as a menace. Lex knew how Clark powerful is and he wanted to control Clark.

Having Lex knowing the truth about Clark by the end of Smallville series, it will diminish any potential for future stories: it will be basically Lex going after Martha, Lana, Lois, etc in order to blackmail Superman, either to kill him or control his power and I don't want to see Lex doing just that.




As for the disguise, why not put Superman as a holographic disguise: Superman could demonstrate different facial traits from Clark Kent just like it was Beast used to do in the X-Men back in the nineties or more recently with Peter Parker/Spiderman after Civil War.

Kryptonian technology is clearly advanced enough in order to make such stunt as a holographic disguise and is a realistic approach instead of the memory wipes, hypnotic kiss and others.

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

That's true: Lex will eventually find out Clark's powers but that's something I want to happen when Clark is Superman, not before that.

Lex Luthor is that kind of villain who studies his adversaries, trying to find its weakness: when Lex will find out Superman's weakness, Kryptonite, he will use it the first chance he gets.

Look at that scene in Onyx: he found out Clark's weakness, kryptonite and he used it to put Clark "under" control. Then he used Clark's "second" weakness: his family.

"talk some sense into your son before something unfortunate happens...BLAM!...like that."


That was probably one of the best scenes of the entire series because it truely showed how big Lex Luthor is as a menace. Lex knew how Clark powerful is and he wanted to control Clark.

Having Lex knowing the truth about Clark by the end of Smallville series, it will diminish any potential for future stories: it will be basically Lex going after Martha, Lana, Lois, etc in order to blackmail Superman, either to kill him or control his power and I don't want to see Lex doing just that.

Not necessarily. He may want to beat him by his own merit without having to use Lois or Martha.

 

[heliorei]

Not necessarily. He may want to beat him by his own merit without having to use Lois or Martha.

The way I see the Lex character is the only merit he wants is to be the man who killed Superman: the way I see is if Lex can kill Superman by the easiest way , he will and if he indeed discoveries Clark's secret so soon, he will exploit his weakness: Kryptonite and Clark's family.

And that's something he's already done in the Smallville series: not only in Oynx, but he also did it in Asylum (s03e09). When he knew the truth about Clark, he asked Clark to use his powers to release him but when Clark refused, he was angry as hell.
IMHO, if Lex finds out Clark's secret by the end of the Smallvilel series, it will diminish any potential of future stories.

 

[DavidTyler]

Well, continuity is already screwed up so why don't we just say that this is an alternate reality. Not that this is the way I wanted it to go.

 

[spideydave]

well he wont become superman for another 8 years so he will age his face will change. Lois and Lex wont even remember what Clark looks like. Thats what Im guessing

 

[KBX]

Why not have a scene where Clark, Lois, Jimmy, and Lex are all talking for some reason. Then you see Superman come down, stare at Lex, thanking Jimmy and Clark for his help, while Lois is lost for words. Lex is furious, and runs off. While later the Superman you saw was John Jones(Martin Manhunter) using his shapeshifting ability to help Clark to hide the people closest to him who he did not want to know his secret. Chloe and Lana won't matter...

 

[MaskedManJRK]

Clark should get a hold of some chaos magic and say, "No more memories!"

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

I have to disagree with you... I don't think Lex would honor their friendship even in a sick way, not taking advantage of the situation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7oeY1tW3vM

This is a scene from Onyx:


Seeing this, it really shows how Lex knowing the truth about Clark, he would take advantage of Clark, chasing his loved ones.

This scene shows how the future will be between Clark and Lex: If Lex knows about Clark's secret...

I simply don't want Lex to know the truth about Clark/Superman...


Why not put Superman as a sort of a camouflage like Beast in the X-men comics used to do, showing a normal person instead of a "beast"

Superman as a sort of hologram...

you should read the graphic novel "Our Worlds ar War." They did an excellent job there showing how it would work if Lex knew Superman's identity and how instead of exposing him, he used it more as leverage to keep Superman off his back. In a way, it was a great equalizer for the two of them.

Unfortunately the next writer to come along ,who was an unabashed hack, undid it all with a lame mindwipe.

 

[spideydave]

Why not have a scene where Clark, Lois, Jimmy, and Lex are all talking for some reason. Then you see Superman come down, stare at Lex, thanking Jimmy and Clark for his help, while Lois is lost for words. Lex is furious, and runs off. While later the Superman you saw was John Jones(Martin Manhunter) using his shapeshifting ability to help Clark to hide the people closest to him who he did not want to know his secret. Chloe and Lana won't matter...

Hmm I like that idea

 

[Justice Bringer]

The review for Superman Doomsday from the SDCC is out;

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=122821

An interesting note about the dual identities in this one; Superman and Lois have a relationship (that evolves into a sexual one) without him revealing to her yet that he is actually Clark Kent; just like in SR.

 

[heliorei]

you should read the graphic novel "Our Worlds ar War." They did an excellent job there showing how it would work if Lex knew Superman's identity and how instead of exposing him, he used it more as leverage to keep Superman off his back. In a way, it was a great equalizer for the two of them.

Unfortunately the next writer to come along ,who was an unabashed hack, undid it all with a lame mindwipe.

I have Worlds at War in tradepaperback and I have read it but IMO, it was a whole different scenario: Basically there was an universal threat (Imperiex) ready to wipe out Earth. There was no advantage for Lex to blackmail or even trying to control Superman when he (Lex) had his life at stake and also when Earth was in danger.

Again, that scene in Onyx really showed how Lex would work in case of knowing the whole truth about Clark.

I'm not against Lex knowing the truth about Clark: what I'm against is the fact of Lex knowing so soon Clark's secret, in this case by the end of the Smallville series.

 

[AgentPat]

I think that the "S" on his chest will have powers to hypnotize people I know it sounds stupid but think a bout it. The "S" in smallville is really powerful. Supermans's "S" is really big and thats the first thing you'll see on him. So maybe Clark/Superman's "S" will make Lex and Lois think that it isn't him. Just a speculation.

There's an "S" on his chest?

Oh wow, there IS! Well I'll be. Must mean it's working, huh?

Either that, or I haven't been looking at the \S/


LOL! J/K. Welcome to the Hype, spiderman1790.

 

[triplet]

The review for Superman Doomsday from the SDCC is out;

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=122821

An interesting note about the dual identities in this one; Superman and Lois have a relationship (that evolves into a sexual one) without him revealing to her yet that he is actually Clark Kent; just like in SR.

In Superman II she found out his secret before they did the dirty, right?

So, she knew when they had sex, she just forgot later thanks the wonderful amnesiac kiss super power...

 

[Justice Bringer]

In Superman II she found out his secret before they did the dirty, right?

So, she knew when they had sex, she just forgot later thanks the wonderful amnesiac kiss super power...

Yeah but Superman Returns ignored all of that. It just used the story of STM and the only element adapted from Superman II was the idea that Superman and Lois had a past relationship.

She never learned he was Clark.

Alot of people have a problem with that; with Superman having a relationship with Lois without revealing his Clark identity to her. He certainly didnt plan to reveal his identity to her in Superman II either. Theres some moral questions to that kind of dishonesty I suppose, especially if theres sex involved.

But I think for a live screen adaption with a sense of some realism; Superman and Lois in a relationship is easier to swallow than Lois showing any attraction to nerdy Metropolis reporter Clark (the disguise). The whole point of that disguise is for him to *not* be noticed.

 

[triplet]

Yeah but Superman Returns ignored all of that. It just used the story of STM and the only element adapted from Superman II was the idea that Superman and Lois had a past relationship.

She never learned he was Clark.

Alot of people have a problem with that; with Superman having a relationship with Lois without revealing his Clark identity to her. He certainly didnt plan to reveal his identity to her in Superman II either. Theres some moral questions to that kind of dishonesty I suppose, especially if theres sex involved.

But I think for a live screen adaption with a sense of some realism; Superman and Lois in a relationship is easier to swallow than Lois showing any attraction to nerdy Metropolis reporter Clark (the disguise). The whole point of that disguise is for him to *not* be noticed.

I'm not a fan of that film, but I think you're seeing things or something.

They never said that she had a relationship with just Superman, unless that was in the novelization or something. I suppose it was implied since she obviously didn't know that Clark was Superman by going by that one scene in the DP...

However, they glossed over all of that so much it seemed to me that she didn't remember even having the relationship, like in Superman II.

Although, seeing her kid drop a piano on a guy clearly left no doubts about his parentage.

 

[Justice Bringer]

I'm not a fan of that film, but I think you're seeing things or something.

They never said that she had a relationship with just Superman, unless that was in the novelization or something. I suppose it was implied since she obviously didn't know that Clark was Superman by going by that one scene in the DP...

However, they glossed over all of that so much it seemed to me that she didn't remember even having the relationship, like in Superman II.

Although, seeing her kid drop a piano on a guy clearly left no doubts about his parentage.

Yeah I'm just going by what Bryan said over and over in press interviews and documentaries about the premise of the film; that we assume they've had a past relationship and he left without telling her.

The prequel comics written by Bryan and his writers highlight this too. They negate all the events from Superman II from happening (ie; Zod never happened, memory kiss never happened etc).

Essentially, thats why there were no direct Superman II references in the film. My theory is that Bryan didnt want to piss Donner off; who isnt a fan of Superman II for obvious reasons.

STM was really the only main basis they worked from.

 

[Justice Bringer]

IGN with Al Gough;

"When a fan asked the question of how it's possible for Lex and Lois to know Clark so well without his glasses and then not recognize him as Superman in later years, Gough smiled and said that since the show won't ever show Clark in his costumed years; Thankfully, that's a question we don't have to answer!"



....what a dumbass

 

[avidreader]

I just realised I worded that badly. I'll be back in the morning when my mind and fingers can type what I really meant to say.

 

[Whiteflag]

I'm sorry but I think AG gave a stupid answer to that question. I think that's an important issue, in the SV universe too. AG himself said that events will tie up to the well-known mythology in the end. So that's something that should be addressed, somehow, in SV. Or are we supposed to believe that Clark's need for a secret identity doesn't matter at all? Is he saying that he doesn't give a damn about the SV universe he contributed to "create" and he doesn't care about the crucial unanswered questions he leaves behind, once the show is over and the money stops pouring in?

He could have given many answers to that question and I think he chose the worst one. IMO.

 

[Justice Bringer]

he doesn't care about the crucial unanswered questions he leaves behind once the show is over and the money stops pouring in?

Pretty much..

He'll get his paycheck from the Supergirl spinoff then; tis all he cares about.

 

[Mig-El]

IGN with Al Gough;

"When a fan asked the question of how it's possible for Lex and Lois to know Clark so well without his glasses and then not recognize him as Superman in later years, Gough smiled and said that since the show won't ever show Clark in his costumed years; Thankfully, that's a question we don't have to answer!"



....what a dumbass

WTF! What a dumbass indeed. What a major cop-out! Gough's answer is a major disrespect to the people who have watched Smallville all these years. With answer like that, Smallville should be cancelled. A letter should be sent to CW and Gough for this dismal and uncreative response.

...At least KBX had a logical explanation for Superman's identity.