Justice League Zack Snyder Directing Justice League (The Snyder Cut Edition) - Part 2

[Comicbookguy339]

So far the only thing he's in after Justice League is another Snyder film. So it's not all that shocking.

I thought he was doing a TV show of some sort.

 

[Prison Mike]

I need a HBO movie about the behind the scenes stuff of this….in the vein of Spotlight.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

I need a HBO movie about the behind the scenes stuff of this….in the vein of Spotlight.

Would probably win an Academy Award too.

 

[Filmfreak]

I thought he was doing a TV show of some sort.

Right, my mistake. I didn't realise that was released already. I though for some reason it was years away. Was it a main role?

Still, supporting a guy who made him a star and is still among the very few that is still willing to give him work is not a shocker.

 

[kguillou]

This whole thing is just one of the most petty Hollywood fights ive ever seen..from all sides. Warner Bros' searing hatred for Snyder is unlike anything I've ever seen. They're clearly incredibly resentful that they were essentially backed into a corner by At&t and the twitter movement into giving Snyder $70 million to release this movie. Had it not been for At&t they absolutely would have dug their feet in the sand and waited for the fans to tire themselves out.

And TO BE FAIR, I think purely on a principle level, WB probably hated how this release made them look like the bad guys and essentially aired out all their dirty laundry in public of what happened behind the scenes. Releasing the Snyder Cut was basically the ultimate "mea culpa" and Hollywood execs never admit fault.

I think this article, on the same day of the digital release, was clearly to tell Zack and his fans, "enjoy this release, because this will NEVER happen again."

 

[Spider-Fan]

Lol. Zack Snyder and co exposed for manipulating Social Media to attack people. I hope this adversely effects his career. It is unacceptable to send attack dogs to "your enemies" like this, and the fact he did it for years makes him certainly not the hero here. Sure, studio may have shoved him out the door during a massive tragedy. That is awful and I feel bad on that level. But, like in TDK, you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain. They literally called him Lex Luthor in the article. Dude has become the villain

 

[kguillou]

Eh, @Spider-Fan with all due respect, thats one person's view of him, one person who im sure works for the studio no less. And thats fine, thats that person's opinion but countless people have had nothing but nice things to say about the man, including some of his former WB bosses. I think if Snyder had bad skeletons in his closet it would have came out last year.

I dont believe for one second Snyder told his fans to "attack" people online, I'm sorry I just do not. Do I believe he used the movement to his advantage to get WB's attention? Absolutely. Do I believe he probably sat by and let some of the wilder fans go crazy? Yes. But I do not for one second believe was this evil mastermind giving marching orders to crazy fanatic fans to personally harass people.

 

[Filmfreak]

Like others have said, not saying anything against your toxic fans on purpose is exactly the same as enabling them. It's just as simple as that. Also that doesn't stop someone from being professional on set or nice to his co-workers. Things are very rarely black and white.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Did Ray drink the kool-aid or does he think protecting the Snyderverse will keep him a career?

Has to be the latter at this stage.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Eh, @Spider-Fan with all due respect, thats one person's view of him, one person who im sure works for the studio no less. And thats fine, thats that person's opinion but countless people have had nothing but nice things to say about the man, including some of his former WB bosses. I think if Snyder had bad skeletons in his closet it would have came out last year.

I dont believe for one second Snyder told his fans to "attack" people online, I'm sorry I just do not. Do I believe he used the movement to his advantage to get WB's attention? Absolutely. Do I believe he probably sat by and let some of the wilder fans go crazy? Yes. But I do not for one second believe was this evil mastermind giving marching orders to crazy fanatic fans to personally harass people.

Dude can be nice to people, but so is Lex Luthor to plenty of people. People Iike this are nice to you so they can use you for their own means. Which he did here for YEARS. So yeah, I have no respect for this

 

[Sithborg]

Dude can be nice to people, but so is Lex Luthor to plenty of people. People Iike this are nice to you so they can use you for their own means. Which he did here for YEARS. So yeah, I have no respect for this

[points to various comments by Alan Tudyk and Nathan Fillion about Whedon]

 

[kguillou]

Fair enough @Spider-Fan , agree to disagree, my friend.

I guess.... from my perspective I'm having a hard time seeing WB as the victim here. These big powerful movie studios are literally in the business of crushing people and we hear countless stories about how creatives were burned badly by Hollywood, some in worse ways than others. So, I dont get how a studio as big and powerful and resourceful as Warner Bros was "bullied" into anything and how they couldn't have just simply ended this movement themselves a long time ago and how Snyder could have been the "Lex Luthor" pulling all the strings and put them into a corner if they didnt wanna be.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

ZSJL got made because it made financial sense to AT&T. That's it. The Snyder cut movement is what gave them idea to do it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Fair enough @Spider-Fan , agree to disagree, my friend.

I guess.... from my perspective I'm having a hard time seeing WB as the victim here. These big powerful movie studios are literally in the business of crushing people and we hear countless stories about how creatives were burned badly by Hollywood, some in worse ways than others. So, I dont get how a studio as big and powerful and resourceful as Warner Bros was "bullied" into anything and how they couldn't have just simply ended this movement themselves a long time ago and how Snyder could have been the "Lex Luthor" pulling all the strings and put them into a corner if they didnt wanna be.

We see countless examples of celebs and average people getting bullied on social media everyday. Twitter and such do nothing about it. So it isn't hard to believe at all. Dude pointed the mob a certain direction and then let them create chaos. Directors who had nothing to do with this were harassed, and Zack let them be attacked despite a dude like Wyngard asking for him to call it off. It is unreal how much of a scumbag he is here. Hollywood execs are not saints, but that isn't an excuse for this. 2 wrongs don't make a right. Basic play ground teaching.

 

[Lencho01]

For me this is all amusing. Just more confirmation of bull**** surrounding an overall bull**** universe from a director with a bull**** vision on how to bring these characters to the big screen.

Really the bigger deal here is how this is a perfect example of the effective usage of bots and how they can, have been, and will be used to affect our lives in real and significant ways.

 

[kguillou]

We see countless examples of celebs and average people getting bullied on social media everyday. Twitter and such do nothing about it. So it isn't hard to believe at all. Dude pointed the mob a certain direction and then let them create chaos. Directors who had nothing to do with this were harassed, and Zack let them be attacked despite a dude like Wyngard asking for him to call it off. It is unreal how much of a scumbag he is here. Hollywood execs are not saints, but that isn't an excuse for this. 2 wrongs don't make a right. Basic play ground teaching.

And to be clear if that whole Wyngard thing is true, then I absolutely believe Zack was wrong for that. People with nothing to do with the whole situation should not have been harassed the way they were. There shouldn't; have been harassment, period. I believe there were LOTS of good people in the movement who simply just wanted to get WB to release the movie, but there was absolutely a pocket of out of control fans who turned the thing into something toxic and sadly probably overshadowed the more altruistic people in the movement.

 

[DKDetective]

Dude can be nice to people, but so is Lex Luthor to plenty of people. People Iike this are nice to you so they can use you for their own means. Which he did here for YEARS. So yeah, I have no respect for this

I'm not sure how this can be that surprising for anyone. The guy has come off as condescending and egotistical to me for a long, long time. The way he ignored and waved off any criticism of his films or belittled those fans who disagreed with his dark, hyperviolent interpretation of these characters as naive manchildren living in their parents' basements, made it pretty clear to me a long time ago that Snyder is a pretty crappy person.

 

[Holy Slapper]

And to be clear if that whole Wyngard thing is true, then I absolutely believe Zack was wrong for that. People with nothing to do with the whole situation should not have been harassed the way they were. There shouldn't; have been harassment, period. I believe there were LOTS of good people in the movement who simply just wanted to get WB to release the movie, but there was absolutely a pocket of out of control fans who turned the thing into something toxic and sadly probably overshadowed the more altruistic people in the movement.

It is true.

 

[Mysteryman]

It is true.

You know that, beyond what the article says?

 

[MOVIELORD101]

And to be clear if that whole Wyngard thing is true, then I absolutely believe Zack was wrong for that. People with nothing to do with the whole situation should not have been harassed the way they were. There shouldn't; have been harassment, period. I believe there were LOTS of good people in the movement who simply just wanted to get WB to release the movie, but there was absolutely a pocket of out of control fans who turned the thing into something toxic and sadly probably overshadowed the more altruistic people in the movement.

You are correct. I've spoken in the past to people from the movement who are genuinely decent people who actually weren't a problem. They actually were the ones who donated to ant-suicide charities and put up that billboard during NYCC, and that's quite admirable. Some have even been tying to make their own motion comics based on the unused JL 2 and 3 outlines (one attempt even had Darkseid's voice actor involved), and that's perfectly ok! These supporters weren't the problem. The problem were the others who kept spamming those stupid hashtags, harassing WB and other people involved or not, and when confronted kept insisting that they were promised the director's cut/sequels it or some other BS to try and justify their actions. They seemed to be the majority and that's where I put my foot down. And Ray Fisher's no better. Putting aside his claims towards Whedon, his other accusations and his wishy-washy back-and-forth behavior and vagueness are put into question the more he keeps acting out like this. This isn't about accountability for him IMO. Dude just wants attention for a movie from nearly a decade ago.

As for if whether Zack or WB's the guilty party, I'll put it simply: THEY BOTH ARE. WB rushed JL into production to get that sweet, sweet Avengers money (probably why Whedon was later hired because of his Marvel association), when there were a few other important heroes like Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg who needed proper origins beforehand that they just shoved off for later solo movies and having it out by the end of 2017 over a stupid bonus was unnecessary. There's other mistakes you guys brought up, but that's the biggest for me. The only thing that wasn't their fault was the infamous "Mustache Incident", as that was Paramount being ridiculously stubborn (also, it was a full-on BEARD, not a mustache).

But Zack's not innocent here, either. WB never should've let him return to direct ANYTHING for DC unless he was under contract or something. BVS was a laughing stock amongst most people (NEVER forget the "Martha" thing; even Deadpool made fun of that stupidity) and an embarrassment for the company. Why he was kept around after that is baffling. The man does not get Superman or Batman as characters; anyone who thinks either hero should be angsty without any sense of optimism, kind-heartedness or hope and be allowed to kill just because they think it'd be cool doesn't understand WHY they have the "I don't kill bad guys" rule or what makes the characters appealing. Not only this, his outlines for JL 2 and 3 read like grimdark versions of Avengers Infinity War and ESPECIALLY Endgame, which makes me wonder if those really were what he came up with before 2017 or if he was trying to copycat Marvel directly. Regardless, they were terrible and I'm glad they're not happening. The kind of movies Zack makes just do not fit the main DCU. Not even Black Adam who DOES kill criminals, but is far more complex and complicated a character that Zack could probably handle without a pre-existing story like he did with Dawn of the Dead, 300 and Watchmen. I'll give Rebel Moon a chance, but NO, NEVER let him do anything with DC Comics or any kind of "under R-rated" content ever again. He can't handle it.

 

[Mysteryman]

You are correct. I've spoken in the past to people from the movement who are genuinely decent people who actually weren't a problem. They actually were the ones who donated to ant-suicide charities and put up that billboard during NYCC, and that's quite admirable. Some have even been tying to make their own motion comics based on the unused JL 2 and 3 outlines (one attempt even had Darkseid's voice actor involved), and that's perfectly ok! These supporters weren't the problem. The problem were the others who kept spamming those stupid hashtags, harassing WB and other people involved or not, and when confronted kept insisting that they were promised the director's cut/sequels it or some other BS to try and justify their actions. They seemed to be the majority and that's where I put my foot down. And Ray Fisher's no better. Putting aside his claims towards Whedon, his other accusations and his wishy-washy back-and-forth behavior and vagueness are put into question the more he keeps acting out like this. This isn't about accountability for him IMO. Dude just wants attention for a movie from nearly a decade ago.

As for if whether Zack or WB's the guilty party, I'll put it simply: THEY BOTH ARE. WB rushed JL into production to get that sweet, sweet Avengers money (probably why Whedon was later hired because of his Marvel association), when there were a few other important heroes like Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg who needed proper origins beforehand that they just shoved off for later solo movies and having it out by the end of 2017 over a stupid bonus was unnecessary. There's other mistakes you guys brought up, but that's the biggest for me. The only thing that wasn't their fault was the infamous "Mustache Incident", as that was Paramount being ridiculously stubborn (also, it was a full-on BEARD, not a mustache).

But Zack's not innocent here, either. WB never should've let him return to direct ANYTHING for DC unless he was under contract or something. BVS was a laughing stock amongst most people (NEVER forget the "Martha" thing; even Deadpool made fun of that stupidity) and an embarrassment for the company. Why he was kept around after that is baffling. The man does not get Superman or Batman as characters; anyone who thinks either hero should be angsty without any sense of optimism, kind-heartedness or hope and be allowed to kill just because they think it'd be cool doesn't understand WHY they have the "I don't kill bad guys" rule or what makes the characters appealing. Not only this, his outlines for JL 2 and 3 read like grimdark versions of Avengers Infinity War and ESPECIALLY Endgame, which makes me wonder if those really were what he came up with before 2017 or if he was trying to copycat Marvel directly. Regardless, they were terrible and I'm glad they're not happening. The kind of movies Zack makes just do not fit the main DCU. Not even Black Adam who DOES kill criminals, but is far more complex and complicated a character that Zack could probably handle without a pre-existing story like he did with Dawn of the Dead, 300 and Watchmen. I'll give Rebel Moon a chance, but NO, NEVER let him do anything with DC Comics or any kind of "under R-rated" content ever again. He can't handle it.

Was JL 2&3 More of The Darkseid stuff, just tons more of it?

 

[Primal Slayer]

This whole feud is just exhausting especially for a universe that is all but on deaths door, a studio on brand new management, an actor who isnt employed in any WB films/shows, and a director whose moved on to Netflix. I'm surprised no one has made a documentary out of how much of a wreckage everything that has to do with Justice League is.

I know the common thing for WB to do is just shelve products for decades but they really just need to work on a new JL film that blows people away so we can finally move on from the Whedon/Snyder versions.

 

[MOVIELORD101]

Was JL 2&3 More of The Darkseid stuff, just tons more of it?

YES. And it was really bad with a ton of pointless deaths.

 

[routhman]

It’s laughable that 13% bots leads to a headline like “Exclusive: Fake accounts fueled the Snyder Cut online army.” That is ridiculously misleading. And presumably just another hit-job by the execs at Warner Bros who have done nothing but demonstrate their collective incompetence for 30+ years when it comes to their DC properties.

 

[Mysteryman]

YES. And it was really bad with a ton of pointless deaths.

Glad that I did not have to sit through that.