Justice League Zack Snyder Directing Justice League (The Snyder Cut Edition) - Part 2

Yikes.

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That's pretty shocking to me if true. Also a bad faith response. Yes, the fans are adults and can make their own decisions, but I feel like telling them a line had been crossed and that they needed to calm down and not go after people who had nothing to do with the drama would've at least reached the more level headed ones.

Ironically, I'm sure this behavior had the exact opposite effect anyway. It's probably killed any chance there might have been for the studio to continue with the sequels.
 
That's pretty shocking to me if true. Also a bad faith response. Yes, the fans are adults and can make their own decisions, but I feel like telling them a line had been crossed and that they needed to calm down and not go after people who had nothing to do with the drama would've at least reached the more level headed ones.

Ironically, I'm sure this behavior had the exact opposite effect anyway. It's probably killed any chance there might have been for the studio to continue with the sequels.

And this is why I have a hard time believing the story.
 
There was never going to be any sequels anyway. Never in a million years. Warner bros had already washed their hands of Snyder after BvS. They were just trying to figure out a way to phase him out. Literally the only reason we got the Snyder cut is because Jason Killar stepped in and forced Emmerich to get it done but i dont think even Kilar ever had any intention of greenlighting more Snyder stuff. He just figured it would have been a waste of all that extra director's cut footage to not use it to HBO Max's advantage.

And trust me, Zack knew it too, he knew the Snyder cut was his final hurrah with WB and DC which is why he fought so hard to get it released.
 
And this is why I have a hard time believing the story.

I don't. Wingard refusing to comment rather than just saying the story is untrue is telling; if he comes out and says it never happened then I'll gladly retract. But just given what was going on at the time at the time, it wouldn't surprise me. This board (myself included) were enjoying the drama of him taking public potshots at WB ("Suck it, Warner Bros!") and seemingly trolling them on social media for quite a while, so I have no trouble believing there was no love lost by that point.

I fully believe Zack still has an interest in making his sequels someday, but given his deal with Netflix got announced just a few months after all this (meaning he likely was already in conversations and fielding offers for a while), I don't think he cared all that much about potentially jeopardizing them by the end. Remember, he was talking in interviews about how it wouldn't happen unless "cooler heads prevail" at the studio and whatnot.
Note I don't believe Snyder was behind some grand conspiracy of toxicity, but I'm just saying nothing about that story strikes me as unbelievable.
 
Snyder knew what he was doing this whole time. I don't think he was this great manipulative mastermind, but he was absolutely using this toxic fandom to further his career/brand and develop momentum.

I'm sure he is a nice enough guy to work with, but he fed this beast more than anybody and deserves to have some of the unpleasant stench from it lingering around him.
 
Snyder just posted sth on Vero that is kind of not ideal given the current situation.vero.png
 
Wait what? Got sued for what exactly?

Tortious Interference (a fave from the Mignogna suit) and defamation. A writer got revealed to be a scumbag, was dropped from the publisher after complaints, and sued the most high profile guy.
 
The guy basically claimed that he was dropped by the publisher because of Mark Waid.
 
Even though I'm no #restorethesnyderverse zealot this seems like such a fruitless and vindictive article. They're releasing this article on the same day the movie is released on digital. What's the point of an article like this at this point?

I thought the article was very interesting. But, yeah, it did seem to have a certain… bias — painting a picture of Snyder as a Machiavellian (actually, Lex Luthor-ian :word:) manipulator of his fans via social media. For instance, this:

That means a fandom amplified by fake accounts helped shake down a major studio — at an ultimate cost to Warner Bros. of more than $100 million — to re-release a movie that had already bombed years earlier.

Kinda harsh and a tad hyperbolic. After all, restorations and director’s cuts aren’t exactly a new thing. Blade Runner (which, likewise, bombed theatrically) was re-released (at some expense, presumably) as “the Director’s Cut” in 1992 and “the Final Cut” in 2007. And, of course, we genre types know about Superman II: The Donner Cut. Do these examples also represent “shake downs,” orchestrated by organized and manipulative fans? Well, in a way, maybe they do. Boisterous fans express a collective desire for a restored cut; and the studios gauge whether that desire is substantial enough to be monetized. C'est la vie, c'est la guerre. Ditto for ZSJL.

And to be fair to the article, there was acknowledgement that some portion of the #ReleasetheSnyderCut movement was composed of actual (mostly well-behaved) people who were just hoping to see an original version of the movie. But this was downplayed, it seems to me. E.g.:

So while Snyder had scores of authentic, flesh-and-blood fans, those real stans were amplified by a disproportionate number of bogus accounts.

Well, metaphorically, “scores” can mean “lots and lots.” But, technically, a “score” is twenty. So “scores” could be interpreted as a relatively small number. IOW, the language used seemed calculated to diminish any genuine interest in the Snyder Cut and emphasize, instead, the nefarious manipulation of social media. However, elsewhere in the article, this manipulation — from fake/bot accounts — is pegged at 13%. (Whereas, 3-5% fake on any trending topic is considered “normal.” :ebr:) So according to my math, that means 87% of the support came from real online fans. And, presumably, those online fans only represented a portion of a larger total — who don’t use social media and therefore aren’t measured as following trends or hashtags.

Again, this isn’t the first time that a studio invested in an alternate version/restoration of a movie. (See above). So it’s not at all a crazy idea that HBO Max (looking for content during a pandemic) would bankroll the completion of Snyder’s cut. Yet the article sorta suggests that they were thoroughly duped by a sinister coalition of bots and toxic nerds. But… but… genuine fans of the restoration (those polite, non-toxic, non-bot ones) actually do exist. They’re happy that ZSJL now supersedes the theatrical cut in terms of legitimacy and are grateful that HBO stepped in and made it happen. However, I guess the notion of “satisfied customers” didn’t fit into the article’s thesis. So they didn’t get much attention.
 
Ray Fisher is claiming the reporter changed the deadline for him to respond, preventing him from getting to comment:

 
Ray Fisher is claiming the reporter changed the deadline for him to respond, preventing him from getting to comment:

Did Ray drink the kool-aid or does he think protecting the Snyderverse will keep him a career?
 
Did Ray drink the kool-aid or does he think protecting the Snyderverse will keep him a career?
So far the only thing he's in after Justice League is another Snyder film. So it's not all that shocking.
 

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