• The upgrade to XenForo 2.3.7 has now been completed. Please report any issues to our administrators.

2007 NFL Thread

Status
Not open for further replies.
And they have not played any division leaders except the Cowboys and Colts.
Who are the best. (and the Packers) :huh:

Do you really think they have to beat the Bucs or Chargers to prove themselves? The Seahawks?

God bless you Memphis. :heart:
 
Am I the only one that thinks Jay Cutler is a lot better than people think?

I'm with you on that. If you've seen Mallrats, he is Victorious Jay
2007-

13.jpg
 
Also, I'd like to re-post this point by Jerry, because it is absolutely excellent and sums up Peyton Manning perfectly.

Jerry! said:
No its not that. Its that Peyton has trouble winning when everything isn't perfect for him on offense, Brady doesn't.
 
I don't see why people make such a big deal out of Harrison's injury. Is he a great reciever? Undoubtedly. Should the Colts really be struggling so much because of one reciever? Hell no.

Hell, they shouldn't be struggling that much because of five or six injuries. They are the Superbowl champions for godsakes. If they are really so dependent on those injured players then the organization has a whole different level of problems than losing a couple of games.


Okay Matt.....maybe Tony Dungy needs to explain it to you again.......

Harrison normally occupied a cornerback and at least some of a safety's attention. Teams played their safeties deep to prevent the over-the-top pass to Harrison. (got that Matt?) :yay:
More recently, a safety has been cheating up to help out on the Colts' running game. (understand that Matt?) The Colts have rushed for 75 and 72 yards the past two weeks against San Diego and Kansas City. Those are season lows.
"We did get a lot more single safety and a lot more of them coming down into the box," Dungy said of the Colts' victory over Kansas City.
"If that's the case, then it's always been that we've got to throw and force people to double-cover our outside guys."
That would be a lot easier if Harrison were one of the outside guys.
 
I don't see why people make such a big deal out of Harrison's injury. Is he a great reciever? Undoubtedly. Should the Colts really be struggling so much because of one reciever? Hell no.

Hell, they shouldn't be struggling that much because of five or six injuries. They are the Superbowl champions for godsakes. If they are really so dependent on those injured players then the organization has a whole different level of problems than losing a couple of games.

Any team would struggle if you were missing your best D Lineman, arguabley your #1 WR, TE, and starting LT....plus other injuries I haven't mentioned. You can't draft stud backups at every position to step right in.
 
Harrison normally occupied a cornerback and at least some of a safety's attention. Teams played their safeties deep to prevent the over-the-top pass to Harrison. (got that Matt?) :yay:
More recently, a safety has been cheating up to help out on the Colts' running game. (understand that Matt?) The Colts have rushed for 75 and 72 yards the past two weeks against San Diego and Kansas City. Those are season lows.
"We did get a lot more single safety and a lot more of them coming down into the box," Dungy said of the Colts' victory over Kansas City.
"If that's the case, then it's always been that we've got to throw and force people to double-cover our outside guys."
That would be a lot easier if Harrison were one of the outside guys.

Sure, it would be easier, whats your point? It shouldn't be making or breaking a football team. The absence of one player should not give you a near loss to one of the worst teams in the NFL (Or as you would call them a "Scrub" team. Hell, at least New England CAN run up points on "Scrub teams"). I'd hate to think of what would've became of the Colts if Larry Johnson were playing.
 
Any team would struggle if you were missing your best D Lineman, arguabley your #1 WR, TE, and starting LT....plus other injuries I haven't mentioned. You can't draft stud backups at every position to step right in.

Perhaps, but they should still have enough depth to make up for the loss of one reciever and two linemen.

Injuries are not an excuse to lose. It is why teams have 2nd string and 3rd string. Are they preferrable, no. Can they win games? Well, when the rest of your team is a super bowl contender they sure as hell should.
 
Sure, it would be easier, whats your point? It shouldn't be making or breaking a football team. The absence of one player should not give you a near loss to one of the worst teams in the NFL (Or as you would call them a "Scrub" team. Hell, at least New England CAN run up points on "Scrub teams"). I'd hate to think of what would've became of the Colts if Larry Johnson were playing.



The Point (that you don't want to see) is how important one man can be!! Especially if he is a World Class receiver that defenses have to respect. Marvin is out! Defenses can now be more aggressive. That changes everything.

As I said before. None of what Brady is doing now happens without Moss. Let him go down and see what happens.
 
The Point (that you don't want to see) is how important one man can be!! Especially if he is a World Class receiver that defenses have to respect. Marvin is out! Defenses can now be more aggressive. That changes everything.

SURE! IT CHANGES A LOT! I GET THAT! They as a professional football team however, should be able to adapt and not have their entire offense fall apart over one injury. It is just like Jerry said, Manning cannot win when his conditions are not perfect.

Celldog said:
As I said before. None of what Brady is doing now happens without Moss. Let him go down and see what happens.

Brady has shown what has happened when he does not have good recievers. He makes the AFC championship and wins Superbowls. :oldrazz: (How could you not have seen that coming? :cwink:)
 
The Point (that you don't want to see) is how important one man can be!! Especially if he is a World Class receiver that defenses have to respect. Marvin is out! Defenses can now be more aggressive. That changes everything.

As I said before. None of what Brady is doing now happens without Moss. Let him go down and see what happens.

He's won Superbowls without the likes of Moss, Stallworth, Marvin Harrison, Wayne, Stokley, Dallas Clark. He has led the way to 3 championships without any players of the caliber of talent on offense that I listed. You're absolutely right, a great QB needs great receivers to set passing records, like Manning did when he set it a few years back. Now that Brady has that talent, he is going to blow past that record, which pretty much is the only thing Manning has on him.

The main difference between Manning and Brady is Manning NEEDS that caliber of talent in order to be successful, Brady does not.
 
I think part of Manning's problems relate to a weaker offensive line than the Patriots have. Also if you notice how the Pats and Colts run their offense, it seems that the Pats are better coached, and the coordinators are superior when it comes to formations, routes, ect.

Another factor that comes in to play would be the amount of Audibles that Manning calls every game. Is it possible that occasionally doing that too many times might cause a bit of confusion as far as getting on the same page with the offense? I'd be interested if there's a way to determine Manning's success when calling plays out of the air like that.

Brady appears prepared like a mother****er for every game. Now unless you discount the cameragate controversy, Brady definently has more awareness of his surroundings than Manning, cause his checkdowns are lighting fast, and he and Moss as well as the other recievers are almost always on the same page.

So injuries have definently limited the Colts' offensive partly because of Harrison, because he and Manning have that awareness similar to how Brady and Moss run these days. What I wonder however is that why Manning only seems to have this with Harrison and not the other recievers? Perhaps Wayne isn't as savvy as Marvin when it comes to running routes. But it appears that Harrison, (and Stoakley for that matter) were the guys that Manning always seems to know where he is on the field.

So in a weird roundabout way, Brady is a better QB than Manning because of the way he and the rest of the offense are seemingly in exact symmetry every down of every play. While Manning himself is a great QB as well, I find a bit of constant overanalysis all the time from him, hence the constant audibles, which might not be the most effective way to run an offense with the lack of talent level he has this year. Case Closed. Let's all get to back to Cowboy/Favre bashing people
 
I'm going to use the following reply to defend Slim's quarterback. *shock*

Here goes....

I think part of Manning's problems relate to a weaker offensive line than the Patriots have.

I have to call BS on that one.

The Colts offensive line is just as good as New England's, and quite honestly, they've been better than New England's since the Colts/Pats run of the past few years.

I saw that line against a good Bucs defense open up huge holes for friggin' Kenton Keith and give Manning all day to throw to cats like Anthony Gonzalez.

Also if you notice how the Pats and Colts run their offense, it seems that the Pats are better coached, and the coordinators are superior when it comes to formations, routes, ect.

The Patriots offense utilizes more formations and personnel groups than the Colts, but that doesn't make them better coached or their coordinators any more superior. The Colts offense isn't overly complex in design, but Manning and Moore's 3 Play Check-With-Me scheme is friggin' brilliantly orchestrated. There aren't many people who can pull off a scheme like theirs.

Another factor that comes in to play would be the amount of Audibles that Manning calls every game.

Those aren't necessarily audibles that Manning calls. Again, as I stated earlier, the Colts use a scheme in which they come to the line in a base formation with multiple plays called in by Tom Moore.

A Typical Colts Play Call said:
Dice Right Slant Blunt Check With Me Alert Base 80 Basic

Manning reads the defense and checks into the best play available. All of that 'nonsense' he does at the LOS is by design, not just him going crazy with audibles.

Is it possible that occasionally doing that too many times might cause a bit of confusion as far as getting on the same page with the offense?

Confusion? Just because they've struggled a bit this season due to injuries doesn't cloud everything they've accomplished as an offense over the past few years. The scheme works.

I'd be interested if there's a way to determine Manning's success when calling plays out of the air like that.

He does it nearly every play. So yeah, he's had success doing it.

Brady appears prepared like a mother****er for every game.

So is Manning.

Brady definently has more awareness of his surroundings than Manning, cause his checkdowns are lighting fast, and he and Moss as well as the other recievers are almost always on the same page.

I think Brady is the better quarterback. But all of the things you just listed, Manning does just as well, IMO. His timing with Harrison and Wayne over the past five or so years is the stuff of legends.

So injuries have definently limited the Colts' offensive partly because of Harrison, because he and Manning have that awareness similar to how Brady and Moss run these days. What I wonder however is that why Manning only seems to have this with Harrison and not the other recievers? Perhaps Wayne isn't as savvy as Marvin when it comes to running routes. But it appears that Harrison, (and Stoakley for that matter) were the guys that Manning always seems to know where he is on the field.

:huh:

Wayne has been just as important and effective to the Colts as anyone on that offense since his arrival. Manning has a terrific relationship with him, as well.

So in a weird roundabout way, Brady is a better QB than Manning because of the way he and the rest of the offense are seemingly in exact symmetry every down of every play.

Before this season, and before injuries tore apart his offense, Manning and the Colts receivers were the epitome of symmetry. I think people's memories are shot right now. :huh:

Case Closed

Natta.
 
Just preaching to the choir, that's all:o I could care less about the "Brady vs. Manning" argument. They're both great and play on excellent teams.

Yes, I know I had faulty arguments. Thank you for explicitly pointing that out.
 
I'm gonna make a crazy prediction.

Detroit upsets Dallas this Thursday.
 
Also, I'd like to re-post this point by Jerry, because it is absolutely excellent and sums up Peyton Manning perfectly.

Manning haters still can't get over it... If I can get over it... you people can too...
 
Well it was a very good point that Jerry made.

To you... that was a ridiculous comment to me. You guys talk like Brady is under fire every game... that is obviously not the case.
 
To you... that was a ridiculous comment to me. You guys talk like Brady is under fire every game... that is obviously not the case.

No, he is not, but he has the best comeback percentage in the NFL. He has proven to be amazing when down in the 4th quarter...and he has won 3 super bowls with 3 average offenses.
 
No, he is not, but he has the best comeback percentage in the NFL. He has proven to be amazing when down in the 4th quarter...and he has won 3 super bowls with 3 average offenses.

Is there such a stat as "comeback percentage"?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top
monitoring_string = "afb8e5d7348ab9e99f73cba908f10802"