8.05 - Committed - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[b24]

i still wonder what ACTUALLY made almiles to leave the show

i mean their departure came suddenly one moment they were talking about how they are looking forward to seseaon 8 and how they are glad that strike is over

and then next moment they write long letter saying goodbye which resembled lana's goodbye video

i m quite sure there can't be smoke without any fire something must have happend

 

[Webhead2006]

FRom what i heard it was about money and the show's contiuly getting lowered budget. But i am happy to see them go, in the begining like seasons 1-4 they were good but season 5-7 things got worst here and there and they totally draged the whole lana/clark relationship way to long and i hated what they did with her character. Where this season under the control of PS3 i am really enjoying lois and clark friendship and working relationship and i can see them being in a much better relationship then he ever had with lana.

 

[KBX]

Craig sorta hinted this, so I must say he does remind me of Anarky...

or in movie terms, something like V in V for Vendetta....

 

[Webhead2006]

who is that anarky guy?

 

[Gmanofsteel]

They were going to end the Chloe pinning for Clark anyway because this season is more about Clark becoming Superman, Lois a top reporter, closer to the mythos. The whole process started last season with Chimmy getting closer and Chloe being fired from the DP by Lex (part of AlMiles plan).

All the while they (Al & Gough) had hinted in the past that they might rekindle a romance between them, thank God that won't happen now.

 

[Prison Mike]

saw this episode last night. It was really fun to watch. Erica and Tom have so much chemistry together that anyone who says different is blind. We got good action, good foreshadowing, and best of all, Lois' daily planets!

I also liked that they delved in more of Tess and Oliver's backstory. I figured they were a couple once after seeing Toxic. I wonder how their relationship will progress through the season. I do wonder though, why didn't they show Lois and Clark telling Oliver that their "marriage" was fake. Maybe it happened Offscreenville or maybe Oliver still doesn't know? It was fun to watch Oliver's reaction to the news but I think they should clear that up.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

^^ Not really, .

the quote you posted doesnt back up your contention about "most" of what PS3 are doing is Al&Miles' plan. When in the quote they're saying they're only doing "some" of the stuff that was laid out previously.

 

[Syncos]

ED and TW really have LACKED chemistry in the past, but I blame the writers. For so long they've had Lois ragging on Clark for no perceivable reason, I guess in some awkward attempt at building tension. But, IMO, it just made her look b*tchy. And NOW all of a sudden, for no reason that we've been made privy to yet, they're writing Lois in love with Clark?! Uhhh.... when and why did this happen?

Yeah, we all know that Lois and Clark end up together, but that doesn't mean the writers can be lazy... they should at least drop some bread crumbs... some indication of HOW and WHY it happens. It would just be so much more believable and powerful if the writers didn't assume so much.

And except for being annoyed at the lack of an explanation or hint at the evolution of their current relationship, I am liking where they are going.

I just hope they (the writers) do a better job showing how and why the Lois and Clark relationship is evolving... They used to be much better at this whole character development thing.

Either you aren't watching, or you're not paying attention. There's been a ton of moments in the last few seasons where Lois and Clark have been there for one another, and have gone from basically acquaintances to friends poking fun at one another, to something deeper. They've shown a pretty steady progression in their relationship. Not every great romance is love at first sight.

I'd quote specific references, but then I'd have to rewatch a lot of episodes to get them. There was a lot of it last season. Including Clark consoling Lois after her breakup with Ollie, and the returned favor when Clark got the message from Lana.

 

[Syncos]

Something i've really liked about the show this season is how they've made Oliver's characterization more like the Ollie we all know and love. He's less of a Batman knockoff, and more of the womanizing self righteous *****e he should be.

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The most obvious is how Tess is obviously pissed that Ollie cheated on her, and he trys to charm or buy his way around the issue.

 

[Mikelus]

Only them know how much of AlMiles plan they will follow, but saying they're sticking to their vision as much as possible says it all.

What is sure, is that PS3 give AlMiles a lot of credit, maybe more than needed, they sound like fanboys. A couple of tidbits from Smallville Magazine:

Kelly Souders: Looking at Clark and the greatest foes in his life, obviously Doomsday is at the top of that list. We had a great run with Brainiac and there are definitely remnants of him around this year, let's put it that way. We were looking for a character Clark could really go up against and it be a real challenge. In the great Smallville tradition that Al and Miles created, we are looking at the character of Doomsday through a different prism.


BP: We get to take a villian, and put him through the same journey Clark went on, and but instead of becoming a hero, he realizess he is a villian, which is a really nice mirror to what Al and Miles did in the very first season.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Lois & Clark the Cutest Couple according to Zap2it.com

Cutest Couple: Smallville's Lois & Clark. Or should I say, Smallville's Lois & Smallville? Their chemistry is palpable. You could actually feel it in last night's opening scene at Chloe and Jimmy's engagement party. She razzes him incessantly and his face just lights up when he smiles at her. My apologies to those who prefer Clark with another, there is electricity between these two. And speaking of the sparks, I squealed like a school girl when she was forced, upon pain of electrocution, to admit her love for him last night. You too?

 

[Brainiac 8]

Only them know how much of AlMiles plan they will follow, but saying they're sticking to their vision as much as possible says it all.

What is sure, is that PS3 give AlMiles a lot of credit, maybe more than needed, they sound like fanboys. A couple of tidbits from Smallville Magazine:

Don't you recognize lip service when you see it?

Noone is going to bad mouth the boss and his ideas even after their gone, it's bad form. You can tell the major changes PS3 has put into effect considering how different the show feels now with the new management. That is not coincidence.

 

[LadyVader]

Let's not get carried away. Smallville is still plagued by plot convenience and cheap romantic melodrama. The most postive thing going on is the focus on Lois and Clark which would've happened anyway, because KK has left the show. What I want to see is more of Clark maturing and embracing his destiny, outside of his conection to Lois.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I give this show a 9/10. Why so high for a crappy plot? In the long run it pushed so much forward that we kept coming back to. I would've given it a 10 if instead of telling Clark she took off the censor that she kissed him in the elevator.

 

[Prison Mike]

Let's not get carried away. Smallville is still plagued by plot convenience and cheap romantic melodrama. The most postive thing going on is the focus on Lois and Clark which would've happened anyway, because KK has left the show. What I want to see is more of Clark maturing and embracing his destiny, outside of his conection to Lois.

I think Clark's maturity has been pretty evident in these last couple of episodes. He's very different from last season. And it's from his own accord. I don't think Lois is connected to Clark's maturity.

 

[Mikelus]

Don't you recognize lip service when you see it?

Noone is going to bad mouth the boss and his ideas even after their gone, it's bad form. You can tell the major changes PS3 has put into effect considering how different the show feels now with the new management. That is not coincidence.

The point is some fans are giving too much credit to PS3. Clark was going to move forward sooner or later, KK leaving the show might have accelerated the whole dynamic, don't forget that Clark is still recovering from losing Lana, "Toxic" and "Instinct" showed that. And when Lana comes back, he may have second thoughts, PS3 have written a lot of Clana angst in the past, don't forget it.

Let's not get carried away. Smallville is still plagued by plot convenience and cheap romantic melodrama. The most postive thing going on is the focus on Lois and Clark which would've happened anyway, because KK has left the show. What I want to see is more of Clark maturing and embracing his destiny, outside of his conection to Lois.

Agreed!

 

[Syncos]

The point is some fans are giving too much credit to PS3. Clark was going to move forward sooner or later, KK leaving the show might have accelerated the whole dynamic, don't forget that Clark is still recovering from losing Lana, "Toxic" and "Instinct" showed that. And when Lana comes back, he may have second thoughts, PS3 have written a lot of Clana angst in the past, don't forget it.



Agreed!

I don't believe that for a second. Al and Miles would always promise change and dangle it over our heads, and then snatch it away at a moments notice. There's been way more change in the first few episodes this season than in the last 3 seasons.

 

[SpideyVille]

The point is some fans are giving too much credit to PS3. Clark was going to move forward sooner or later, KK leaving the show might have accelerated the whole dynamic, don't forget that Clark is still recovering from losing Lana, "Toxic" and "Instinct" showed that. And when Lana comes back, he may have second thoughts, PS3 have written a lot of Clana angst in the past, don't forget it.

That's what I'm afraid of, yet at the same time I think this time around they're finally gonna give Clana the proper goodbye and closure that it's long awaited.

But i know where you're coming from. PS3 isn't run by people who just showed up and decided that this should slowly turn into a Superman show. Instead it's made up of people who have been around the show for a long time and are trying to use the same things that AlMiles used to make the show run as long as it has. It's important to remember that these guys have been around for both the best and worst times of the series. They just seem to be pulling triggers on things that Al Miles tried to avoid.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

The point is some fans are giving too much credit to PS3. Clark was going to move forward sooner or later, KK leaving the show might have accelerated the whole dynamic, don't forget that Clark is still recovering from losing Lana, "Toxic" and "Instinct" showed that. And when Lana comes back, he may have second thoughts, PS3 have written a lot of Clana angst in the past, don't forget it.

anything written by them while Al & Miles were running the show is questionable IMO because in the end they had to do what AL & Miles ultimately wanted with the characters. Al & Miles were the two with the love affair for Lana who didnt seem like they knew what to do with her after Season 2. Guess we'll have to see what happens when Kreuk comes back in a few weeks.

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea i so hope when kk is back as lana in episodes 10-14 we dont fall back into the crap of the lana and clark relationship roller coaster that has been a total disater for yrs now. As for the whole thing with PS3 saying they are sticking to things al/miles have/would have done. We dont know for sure how true that is, and other others have said they probably dont want to bash their former boss's but we know alot of the crew/cast were very unhappy for the past few seasons and things look different now.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

When Lana returns, I hope Clark says ''I'm a man now..And I need a woman'' and pushes Lana out of the way!

 

[Hush]

LOL that was a great post Lunar Wolf.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea i hope something like that, i would hate to see this new proactive clark fall back to mopey/depressed clark we had from seasons 5-7.

 

[LostSon88]

I don't believe that for a second. Al and Miles would always promise change and dangle it over our heads, and then snatch it away at a moments notice. There's been way more change in the first few episodes this season than in the last 3 seasons.

You hit the nail on the head.

How many times did they promise us, "This is the year Clark embraces his destiny," only to leave us hanging in the dust time after time? Ugh, I got so sick of that line because I swear they'd say it all the time post-season 3.

Heck remember when they freakin' described season 5 as "Superman in Training"?!

Fortunately, thanks to PS3, we finally got that here...in season 8.

 

[The Caped Knight]

yea i hope something like that, i would hate to see this new proactive clark fall back to mopey/depressed clark we had from seasons 5-7.

Well the real test begins when lana returns .