8.14 - Requiem - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

I wish I could say I am surprised there is actually people defending this episode.

TBH I am baffled.

I wish I could say I am surprised that others find it hard to understand that people can have different opinions. :whatever:

I can understand differing opinions and I respect that but this story arc IMO is the worst stint this series has ever had. I haven't found 1 example given to sway or deter me in my conclusion.

Pouring syrup on crap don't make it pancakes.
 
Pouring syrup on crap don't make it pancakes.

lol I made a similar type comparision myself but I like your wording better.

I guess it's the case some people just watched the syrup(acting in the scene, how it relates to the beginning of the show) and thought it was great, whereas I couldn't get past the crap(how out of place this episode seemed compared to the rest of the season and where the story is going) at the core of the episode
 
I really haven't missed this place.
 
TBH I am baffled.



I can understand differing opinions and I respect that but this story arc IMO is the worst stint this series has ever had. I haven't found 1 example given to sway or deter me in my conclusion.

Pouring syrup on crap don't make it pancakes.

You realize that opinions mean everyone has a different view on something and no one is absolutely right or wrong. So basically because some people didn't have issue with the storyline they're just wrong? And because you didn't like it its just crap?
 
I really haven't missed this place.

I agree. While I still really like some of the people here, it's this general attitude of opinions are wrong that keeps me away most of the time.

You realize that opinions mean everyone has a different view on something and no one is absolutely right or wrong. So basically because some people didn't have issue with the storyline they're just wrong? And because you didn't like it its just crap?


Thank you melly, tis all I'm saying. I am no more wrong for liking the episode than you are disliking it. I don't brush off your opinion just because I don't agree with it, please don't do that to me. ( I still like you Blk)
 
I find it funny how so many people are saying that Lois is second string to Lana. Many here should be able to know that sometimes people (in real life) break up due to circumstance and not always by mutual consent. Also, does anyone ever truly *get over* their first love.

Just because it was circumstance that forced them apart, it doesn't mean that a relationship that Clark builds with Lois later in life is in any way shortchanged. I mean look at what they built up to now, he and Lois had an actual attraction to each other before Lana showed up.

Now Clark did drop all of that when Lana returned, but you have to look at a few things. First Lois and him are not an official couple, but their working on it. Second, she was not in the picture at the time. Three, like I said, Clark is not fully over his first love. Four, he was slightly influenced by the fact that they could be together without the constant worry of something happening to her. Ther were actual mitigating factors there.

Ultimately circustance happened and they can't be together, but what has been built up to now between he and Lois, and what will build in the future isn't ruined because he still loves his ex. Heck, I still love my first romance, and I probably always will. That does not lessen in anyway the love that I have for my wife. I could never see me being with anyone else but her, despite anything else in my past.

/rant off.

that's because unlike most here apparently you've actually had more than one mature relationship in your adult life, and you also have a functioning knowledge that Lois and Clark aren't Romeo and Juliet.


I thought this episode was decent but I HATED the ending!

We see Clark on the floor in agony when there's a small piece of kryptonite even if something is going to kill him or someone he loves. Yet in this episode we have Lana who absorbed a great deal of Kryptonite, suddenly Clark is able to suck it up and have a very LONG Kiss with her. Terrible writing I'm sorry this does not add up!!!

I think that was sort of the point, to show how much he allegedley cared for her and he mustered up all his strength to the point where he was getting kryptonite poisoning just to be near her, It's not like he didnt look like he was in agony when he was doing it. The guy's face was turning green and he collapsed onto the floor. You make it sound as if he was unphased by it. He was practically dieing.
 
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so was i when i saw this crap.

And yet you still pushed yourself to watch the whole thing.

You must love SV as much as Clark loves Lana. Awww... :heart: That's really sweet.

:D
 
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TBH I am baffled.



I can understand differing opinions and I respect that but this story arc IMO is the worst stint this series has ever had. I haven't found 1 example given to sway or deter me in my conclusion.

Pouring syrup on crap don't make it pancakes.


Witches. Nuff said.
Oh wait. Fake pregnancy...


This is nowhere near how i would have ended the relationship, maybe because it doesn't feel over. They're just forced apart. The main thing the series needed between Lana and Clark was closure, and we didn't get that, at all. Lana's damned DVD was better than this.

It was terrible in comparison to how they -should- have approached it. but worst? nah. Smallville's had some ridiculous plot lines before.
 
It was terrible in comparison to how they -should- have approached it. but worst? nah. Smallville's had some ridiculous plot lines before.

But this is season 8. There's not much time left to get things right, just a few episodes if the show doesn't get a season 9. And the writers should have learnt from their past mistakes. They were doing quite all right before this arc, IMO. Their misssteps at this time are more frustrating and harder to forgive, at least to me.
 
Witches. Nuff said.
Oh wait. Fake pregnancy...
HA. :up:
This is nowhere near how i would have ended the relationship, maybe because it doesn't feel over. They're just forced apart. The main thing the series needed between Lana and Clark was closure, and we didn't get that, at all. Lana's damned DVD was better than this.
I thought "Arctic" was mostly a let-down as a finale, but actually... would have preferred, in retrospect, they left the end of Clark & Lana with the DVD.
It was terrible in comparison to how they -should- have approached it. but worst? nah. Smallville's had some ridiculous plot lines before.
Exactly. Not the worst thing that's ever been on the show before, but damn... not at all what I'd been hoping for (for years).

And if this is how they handle this, what should have been defining, moment on the show, it worries me how they might handle those other, much more defining, final moments...
 
guys, they showing use that this Lana journey to becoming "Insect Girl" in the future............

I know it sounds like i'm full of it or kidding, but possible that is what it is implying
 
I do not wish to be flamed, but I don't quite understand why everyone think this episode is crap. Sure it is not the best one, but I found it soooo great ! :duh:
First I must say the actor playing the toyman was incredible ! I had the impression to see the comicbook ! That was great and I hink he was playing madness without being cheap or cheesy. Straight from the comic book. :up: the only one thing I did not buy was the "very scary laugh" when he is lookinn at the fire. That was .... overplayed and bad. but that was the only exception IMO.
I found it strange that Lana wanted soooo much to go out on patrol with Clark, I understand the necessity of it in the story, but that was not so believable for me.
And, IMO again, I loved K.Keurk in this episode, she was funny as hell (bedroom) and sad and beautiful as hell in the end. Some things keep disturbing me here and there about her motivations or her way to see things.
Chloe on the other hand, even if she is over-used, was very great. When I see her and the other actors, I have the feeling she is more believable , more natural, there are more things about her than he rest.
And I dig Smallville's Oliver Queen. I loved his introduction in the meeting room at the beginning of the episode, I loved his gesture, I felt he was a businessman, which, I think is important (!). And I love him at the end, almost as dark as Bruce Wayne. I understand that "killing" Lex was not easy even if he wanted to do it so much, and I think the actor portrays him quite well, even if it could possibly be more subtle and more focused. In the end playing Ollie Queen is not easy at all, I would say.
But the highlight for me in this episode was, for sure, Tom Welling AND Lex.
Tom Welling was excellent, I found him good throughout the episode and excellent in the last scene. for once I had the impression to see Clark as weak and vulnerable. Incredible. I knew the whole poisoned Lana was a bit fake but I bought it due to both of the actors. I found it as sad as magical. I saw it coming but that was great.
Call me naiv, but it mademe cry. I'm not ashamed to say it, it was a sad moment, I could feel the feeling of Clark when he was asking her to stay. It touched me.
And finally : Lex. Not sure if it was M.Rosenbaum, don't think so, but, maybe for the first time, I really felt the poison of Lex Luthor, how bad and evil he is. It was disgusting me. The whole "he is alive and declared war" completely disgusted me. I wanted him to die, to suffer. the last time I felt that was when I read "lex luthor : man of Steel".
I think the fact that he was only here partially help me see the venimous tentacles he has everywhere, how dangerous and vile he is. Chloe was right he IS a monster. :up:
So, even with story "short cuts", I really enjoyed this episode and found it great. My highlights were the Toyman, Lex, and Tom Welling in all his scenes with Lana. :up:
 
This was really a bad episode for fans. I'm not the most picky of fans but even I had to bow down to the incredible mediocrity of this episode. Save from Tom, Toyman and the final heartbreaking scene, it was one of the worst episodes ever.
Not content with giving Lana powers now they force her and Clark to break up like this ? It was better to have left it at the video break-up that we got last season !
Even though I agree with Hulk in terms of being a comic book type thing and being Lex to do it gives it a more interesting flavour but it doesn't erase the fact that they should have this ending to their relationship. I could buy them using this angle on another girl (not Lana and not Lois) that they would want to write in the show. Hey even Chloe.
They should have ended in a similar way that in Jeph Loeb's Superman For All Seasons, with a rational talk and with Clark flying her around.
And I'm not even gonna discuss the enourmous stupidity of turning Green Arrow into a killer ! One thing would be to leave the doubt in but later on revealing that it was another person who exploded the truck but they pretty much had Oliver admitting it so that is lost.
One of the worst experiences I've had as a Smallville fan watching an episode. It wasn't what I consider to be the worst this season but it wasn't that far away. They better pick up with the next set of episodes or this season will end on a really bad note.
And I really hope the show is ending soon. If they go into season 9 that they only do 13 episodes or so and just end it with a great note. Enough stretching already.
When you thing it's going extremely well, it blows on your face.
 
It's really not that episode is Crap. Most People Hate the ending cause it was the most retarted thing ever. and well, when you have one little thing like that is screw up, people will say the whole episode sucks, even though it was really good. I will say this episode was Awsome up till the point that Lana Defused the Bomb. If you were to take Lana out of this episode it would probably be one of the Best episodes of Smallville ever. But No Lana's story has to screw it all up. I was like what the heck how can Lex die, but to be truthfull that was a pretty good, makeing every one think Lex is dead, when he isn't. While the ending scene with Clark and Lana was good, most people don't care since the ending of the story SUCKED. so the whole episode takes the hit when it really souldn't.

Superman would never kill? I only have one Word for that.
DARKSEID

if my memory serves me right, in the cartoon Superman the animated series, Darkseid Kill Dan Turpin, if you don't know who that is, it's the cop from BULLETPROOF, in cold blood for no reason and tell superman that if he thought it would trigger his temper, he would have killed more earthlings for fun. In the Last episode of the series, he beats Darkseid in to dust, and Supergirl has to stop him from killing Darkseid. Then in Justice League cartoon that followed that Batman has to stop him from Killing Darkseid. Note Supergirl and Batman are the last two people on the face of the earth to tell some one else espically superman not to kill. Darkseid is the only villian I have ever heard of to push Superman to that point. In the Comics it seems Like Superman want's to HURT Darkseid has much has possiable and doesn't care if he kills him or not.
 
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People gloss over the fact that Superman has killed in the comics before...it's just easier for them I guess.

In fact, in the beginning, it wasn't strange to see Superman off a bunch of mobsters just because it was easier that way. :p
 
Yea there is such a variety of ways they could have ended the lana and clark relationship and not have this silly superlana who is kryptonitewoman now and they phsyically couldnt be together any more. She should have just stayed a normal human and they both mutally agree that a romantic relationship will never work out for them and they should just break it off for good and just be friends. Well maybe we can hope the producers do comentary on power/this episode on dvd set and set things straight on why they did what they did.
 
You realize that opinions mean everyone has a different view on something and no one is absolutely right or wrong. So basically because some people didn't have issue with the storyline they're just wrong? And because you didn't like it its just crap?

Please show me where I said everyone who liked this episode is wrong. I said I don't understand how someone could like it. And yes to me it's crap.

( I still like you Blk)

You're still my homie B8:word:

Oh, and I'd take Witch Lana, Fake Pregnancy or even Superpowered Vampire Lana over this arc. :sleepy:
 
I would much rather have Supergirl than Super-Lana, but oh well. I'm sure I missed something but why did Laura Vandervoort only appear in one episode this season? But to get back on topic, I think this story line could have been really good if not great but it just kinda falls short of the mark.
 
I would much rather have Supergirl than Super-Lana, but oh well. I'm sure I missed something but why did Laura Vandervoort only appear in one episode this season? But to get back on topic, I think this story line could have been really good if not great but it just kinda falls short of the mark.

They decided not to bring Kara back. To be honest if I was the producers i would have brought her back and ditched Chloe. Kara could have done the possessed by Brainiac/Doomsday storyline at 1/3 the price.
 
People gloss over the fact that Superman has killed in the comics before...it's just easier for them I guess.

In fact, in the beginning, it wasn't strange to see Superman off a bunch of mobsters just because it was easier that way. :p

hell in the old George Reeves TV show he flew a bunch of mobsters up to a mountain top so they would fall off LOL
 
People gloss over the fact that Superman has killed in the comics before...it's just easier for them I guess.

In fact, in the beginning, it wasn't strange to see Superman off a bunch of mobsters just because it was easier that way. :p


Its Saint Superman these days. I blame the movies for that.
 
hell in the old George Reeves TV show he flew a bunch of mobsters up to a mountain top so they would fall off LOL

Yes sir, another good example. God, I loved George Reeves version of Superman, he was awesome. :)

Its Saint Superman these days. I blame the movies for that.


Yea, somewhere along the lines people started getting the idea that Superman was above killing and very saintish, like you said.

When Superman first appeared, he was pretty brutal in the way he dealt with criminals. I remember a story where Superman sat there and broke a guys arms just to get information out of him, and then tossed him out the window of a skyscraper.

Even though he is more toned down now, and nowhere near as brutal, there are still examples of him killing. I mean he has killed Brainiac and Darkseid before. He thought he killed Doomsday.

And on a much more recent note, he beat Projekt 17 to death as well as pushed Darkseid into the source wall, which is basically killing him.

Long story short, Superman will kill if he thinks it will serve to protect the greater number.
 
that's because unlike most here apparently you've actually had more than one mature relationship in your adult life, and you also have a functioning knowledge that Lois and Clark aren't Romeo and Juliet.




I think that was sort of the point, to show how much he allegedley cared for her and he mustered up all his strength to the point where he was getting kryptonite poisoning just to be near her, It's not like he didnt look like he was in agony when he was doing it. The guy's face was turning green and he collapsed onto the floor. You make it sound as if he was unphased by it. He was practically dieing.

Nooo thats not what I meant at all, I understood the significance of the scene but my point is why couldnt he muster up any of this strength when he's facing DEATH. I can't name ones in particular but I'm sure I remember moments where something could come and wipe him out yet he's paralyzed due to the tiny rock next to him!
 
Remember Kryptonite has always been an unevenly written foil in the Superman universe.

From the comics to the movies to the tv shows, Kryptonite is never completely handled properly.

Superman will be weakened, as you said, a tiny sliver of the stuff; but then go on to carry a continent sized chunk of pure kryptonite crystal all the way to space with no lasting consequences.
 

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